ITTF Mixed Team World Cup 2023, Chengdu, 12/4-10

[NextLevel]

Surprised SK won so easily, Hayata and Tomo really needed to play to their seed.

It was clear that Japanese MD was trash, Sweden exposed that. I am surprised that Hayata especially could not see the urgency.

 

[zeio]

The "model change" couldn't have come at a worse time for Hayata.

 

[turbozed]

It was clear that Japanese MD was trash, Sweden exposed that. I am surprised that Hayata especially could not see the urgency.

Yeah I'm shocked they went with that considering how bad it turned out last time. What happened to Uda as Togami's partner? Seems like they would've done better having more experience together.

Hayata had a few bad breaks in that second game. Looked pretty dominant in that 3rd game though.

 

[turbozed]

So what happens after the results of today? Will there be a stage 3, or are the results basically decided now with China 1st, Korea 2nd, and Japan 3rd?

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah I'm shocked they went with that considering how bad it turned out last time. What happened to Uda as Togami's partner? Seems like they would've done better having more experience together.

Hayata had a few bad breaks in that second game. Looked pretty dominant in that 3rd game though.

There are rules around building the teams that limit the combinations of players you can pair together. But they only had two mixed doubles combinations anyways and Sora, who is Miwa's true doubles partner, prioritized the WJTTC. For the most part, Japan pretty much brought the stars that China wanted and with their usual fairness standards, as opposed to bringing the players that would have given them the best chance of winning. If the event happens again next year, with better scheduling, it will definitely be better for Japan. While arguably Korea didn't field its very best team, they had their best lefties playing and it makes a huge difference. But let's just say that Japan clearly did not prioritize winning this event.

 

[NextLevel]

So what happens after the results of today? Will there be a stage 3, or are the results basically decided now with China 1st, Korea 2nd, and Japan 3rd?

Results are basically decided unless some miracle results happen. This was the only really meaningful match in the event.

 

[zeio]

Man, the haunt of Ishikawa just won't go away.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-341703
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/tokyo-2020-2020-7-24-8-9.23698/post-349677

Hirano: Good thing I had nothing to do this time. No way am I saving you guys a second time!

Of note here is that South Korea also fielded an unusual lineup on the women's side.
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5072/results.html#/profile/TWJPNA60
SYB/JJH vs Ishikawa/Hirano

CHJ vs Ito

JJH vs Hirano

SYB vs Ito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK0OyuJ5_ic

On the men's side, they made China sweat in the final.
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5072/results.html#/profile/TMCHNA103
XX/LJK vs LSS/JYS

FZD vs JWJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7M-8n4uRU
LJK vs JYS

FZD vs LSS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwScdCPYnQ0

 

[SFF_lib]

Togami didn’t play that well. A bit disappointed that his rally suffered. Maybe still getting used to FZD ALC?

From what I understand, only the winning team get points? What about the 2nd and 3rd team?

 

[driversbeat]

Hirano might have won 3 games and Hayata might have been able to secure 2 games in XD to go 5-1 into Men's singles.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Participating countries like HK, India, USA, Slovakia, Canada and Australia don’t currently have players in the top 20.

Only really Australia (Oceania) and Egypt (Africa) could take advantage by being big fish in weak continents having inflated WR position(s) relative to actual playing strength.

And should it be by world ranking?

This discriminates against less wealthy associations that can’t afford to send athletes to WTT events to receive ranking points to qualify.

Or how about those local based South American players that need to travel to Asia/Europe where all the major titles seem to be held these days?

For every 1 Hugo/Iizuka/Takahashi there are many more that fail due to lack of opportunities or funding afforded.

A promotion or relegation framework like in the English Premier League might work better - which is basically what this Mixed Teams format has become with Stage 1 & Stage 2.

You can get your final to determine the champion and also added intrigue with the top performing Tier B’s having the opportunity to play off against the worst performing Tier A with something tangible at stake.

that can work
ITTF world teams used to have promotion and relegation and i think that is missed

the by world ranking is to prevent someone like China or Japan or Korea to have an allstar team that is unbeatable.
because it is pointless to play again an all star team. Even you solo star player won't even bother fighting hard

 

[zeio]

It's said SYB is ill.

SYB is probably still bothered by the pain.

WTT Star Contender Lanzhou 2023, 10/2-8

SYB had to pull out of the WD F (as well as WTT CT Muscat 2023 and WTT CT Anatalya 2023) due to low...

mytabletennis.net

 

[zeio]

Hirano might have won 3 games and Hayata might have been able to secure 2 games in XD to go 5-1 into Men's singles.

Surprisingly, 5ch users want Hirano instead of Harimoto after Hayata's performance. It's only moments like this that you find out who people truly trust.

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1701557094/
0744名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 14:56:16.57ID:c6te5Kzz
やぱり早田さん生理っぽいわね
私女だからわかるわ
It looks like Hayata is on her period after all
I know because I am a woman

0749名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 15:43:04.07ID:YyUek/oG
日本男子弱すぎ
Nippon men are too weak

0750名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 15:43:31.57ID:UO7jm8Sy
糞雑魚だな張本は
Harimoto is crappy rough fish

0752名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 15:46:44.01ID:UO7jm8Sy
戦犯は張本家ということになるかな
I guess the war criminal is the Harimoto family

0755名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 15:52:56.26ID:zKOF0XWH
ナヨンちゃんは早田さんから1ゲームとった
殊勲賞だな
Nayeong took one game from Hayata
It's a distinguished service award

0761名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 16:12:33.40ID/6h4qjA
戦犯は張本兄だな
The war criminal is Harimoto brother

0764名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 16:16:24.04ID/6h4qjA
戦犯張本兄死ね
Die, war criminal Harimoto brother

0771名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 16:25:28.72ID:YyUek/oG
戦犯というなら他におるだろう　日本卓球協会
張本は犠牲者だろう　何をボケたことを言っている
If there's a war criminal, it's probably someone else: the JTTA
Harimoto is the victim, right? What nonsense are you saying?

0778名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 17:48:29.58ID:uvBkJkJM
監督がダメすぎる。
平野2試合とも3-0で勝ってるんだから、もっと使えよ。
The director is too bad
Hirano won both games 3-0, and should've been used more

0788名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 18:52:50.88ID:FzgHSiUW
平野もわざわざ遠征してこんな扱い受けるなら日本に残って選手権に向けて特訓してた方が良かったかもな
If Hirano was going to go out of her way to travel and be treated like this, she might have been better off staying in Japan and training for the championships

0790名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 19:03:39.07ID:R3Z9l6cQ
ハリケーンは勝ったのけ？
Did Hurricane win?

0791名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 19:10:24.68ID:X1r2aZcq
ば監督
選手のメンタル破壊作戦
Stupid director

Operation Players Mental Destruction

0794名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 19:26:19.81ID:F5zscia+
韓国に負けたのは許せない。恥だ。
Losing to Korea is unforgivable. What a shame.

0795名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 19:26:29.54ID:5mYlNQ3G
一番人気の秘密兵器は温存されたままだった
The most popular secret weapon remained preserved

0796名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 19:29:34.78ID:F5zscia+
韓国に負けたらパリ五輪でメダル取れないも同然😾
Losing to Korea is equivalent to not getting a medal at the Paris Olympics 😾

0800名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 20:11:35.48ID:yxjm+c3t
今日の韓国戦見てると
韓国は今日のオーダーでも日本に余裕で勝てると思ったからあえてユビン出さなかったのかな
日本舐められすぎｗ
Watching today's battle against South Korea
I guess Korea didn't intentionally send out Yubin because they thought they could comfortably beat Japan even with today's lineup
Japan is underestimated too much lol

0801名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 20:18:24.80ID:qKuIukb6
戦犯　張本兄妹
War criminal Harimoto siblings

0802名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 20:19:07.57ID:wd5cGS84
ちゅーか序盤から早田と張本使いすぎだよなあ。
試合は長いんだから強敵戦に備えて温存しとかないと。平野とかもっと使ってやればいいのに
Hayata and Harimoto have been used too much from the beginning
The tournament is long, so it's a must to save it for a tough opponent. I wish they used Hirano more

0804名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
2023/12/08(金) 20:50:21.09ID:yxjm+c3t
>>801
いちいち戦犯戦犯うるさい
今日の負けは張本兄妹だけのせいじゃない
戦犯とかほざくなら張兄と早田ばっかしのワンパターンなオーダーしか組めない監督が最も戦犯じゃないか
War criminal, war criminal...it is so annoying
Today's loss wasn't just the Harimoto siblings' fault
If you're talking about war criminals, isn't the director who can only create one-size-fits-all lineup like Harimoto brother and Hayata the biggest war criminal?

 

[NextLevel]

One point to make - Lim and Jang were Vice WTTC Champions in MD in 2021 *and* 2023. They are not an ordinary doubles team. I struggle to remember the last time Harimoto actually played doubles with Togami as his partner. Add the lack of lefties and it just isn't even a serious conversation. The 3-0 was a reasonable result. We can blame Harimoto and Togami for not being calm at critical times, but I am confident that if they actually played more with each other, they could resolve some of the issues. I mean, Mizutani and Niwa managed to be serviceable at the Olympics, give that some thought.

I think Harimoto/Hayata would have been the favorite in WD, but it was clear that Hayata and Harimoto needed to give them more in singles, especially Hayata.

BTW, anyone know what happened to Morizono?

 

[zeio]

One point to make - Lim and Jang were Vice WTTC Champions in MD in 2021 *and* 2023. They are not an ordinary doubles team. I struggle to remember the last time Harimoto actually played doubles with Togami as his partner. Add the lack of lefties and it just isn't even a serious conversation. The 3-0 was a reasonable result. We can blame Harimoto and Togami for not being calm at critical times, but I am confident that if they actually played

I think Harimoto/Hayata would have been the favorite in WD, but it was clear that Hayata and Harimoto needed to give them more in singles, especially Hayata.

BTW, anyone know what happened to Morizono?

And Asian Games 2022 as well, where Shah/Thakkar took them to G5. A Weibo user by the handle -Veronica-Y has made that observation, too. Uda/Togami beat them in the F at ATTC 2021 before losing in the SF at WTTC 2021, so with Uda missing here their odds were well below 50%.

I understand Hayata's desire to secure the singles spot first but realizing she has to change the way she plays ONLY after losing to WMY at WTT CS Frankfurt 2023 is just way too late now and the "sequela" is not just affecting herself but the team as well. Post-WTTC 2023 would've been the best time to do so but I guess she prioritized Asian Games 2022 over that and as Mizutani predicted she lost in the same way against SYS at ATTC 2023 and Asian Games 2022. As 楊玉華/Yang Yuhua said in the interview with ITO Jyota on the selection system, "even if you don't fall out of the race, you'll have less time to come up with measures for China". The Tieba thread about Hirano being the only one who looks professional and the one comment about Hayata not being as good as Hirano mentally in WT makes more and more sense now.

The last time I checked up on Morizono was around 1/2023 after he recovered from an ankle surgery. I think he's started transitioning to coaching.

 

[fore.n.back]

Togami didn’t play that well. A bit disappointed that his rally suffered. Maybe still getting used to FZD ALC?

Mostly due to his mentality, the recent Taiyuan was his current peak international performance and guess how he lost? Overhit on his match point then lose the 2 subsequent point quickly just from Liang's long push.

Again, JPN mens breakthrough solely lies on Togami now. Harimoto can be considered a seasoned player, but now that he is having a rough time building his forehand and footwork, a win can't be guaranteed when playing against those that can drills into his shortcomings. Togami is the most technically completed player in the team, and I'm sure if he played Jang WJ at his peak form, he will have higher winning chance. But results shows that despite his skill, he often loses concentration, has weak adaptability leading to numerous childish mistake that you won't normally find in Harimoto's play. That's why coaches still can't entrust him with the singles spot in important matches like today.

 

[zeio]

Morizono is now a men's coach of the JNT. It doesn't stop there, he is into the management side of table tennis according to an article by Table Tennis Kingdom from 9/2023 (last link). He is now a player, a coach, a team manager of his own T.League team Shizuoka Jade, and representative director of FPC Co., Ltd, which operates a table tennis equipment shop and table tennis hall.

2023 年度強化スタッフ
https://jtta.or.jp/national/staff
森薗政崇、男子ナショナルチームコーチに初選出　2023年度強化本部スタッフ発表
https://rallys.online/read/20230401jntcoatch/
森薗、静岡ジェードへ　世界卓球元代表　「Ｔ」初の選手兼監督
https://www.at-s.com/news/article/shizuoka/1232061.html
Ｔリーグ６季目、きょう２９日開幕　静岡・森薗政崇はリーグ初の選手兼監督に挑戦「迷いはなかった」
https://hochi.news/articles/20230729-OHT1T51071.html?page=1
5足のワラジ男。卓球という点を線でつなぐ森薗政崇「みんながハッピーになる卓球界を作っていきたい」
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/121846

 

[NextLevel]

Morizono is now a men's coach of the JNT. It doesn't stop there, he is into the management side of table tennis according to an article by Table Tennis Kingdom from 9/2023 (last link). He is now a player, a coach, a team manager of his own T.League team Shizuoka Jade, and representative director of FPC Co., Ltd, which operates a table tennis equipment shop and table tennis hall.

2023 年度強化スタッフ
https://jtta.or.jp/national/staff
森薗政崇、男子ナショナルチームコーチに初選出　2023年度強化本部スタッフ発表
https://rallys.online/read/20230401jntcoatch/
森薗、静岡ジェードへ　世界卓球元代表　「Ｔ」初の選手兼監督
https://www.at-s.com/news/article/shizuoka/1232061.html
Ｔリーグ６季目、きょう２９日開幕　静岡・森薗政崇はリーグ初の選手兼監督に挑戦「迷いはなかった」
https://hochi.news/articles/20230729-OHT1T51071.html?page=1
5足のワラジ男。卓球という点を線でつなぐ森薗政崇「みんながハッピーになる卓球界を作っていきたい」
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/121846

It's a bit sad that he is forced to retire so early. Hoping something can miraculously happen for him medically in the next few months, but if not, best of luck and thanks for a lot of thrilling matches. When I think of ninja table tennis, he is one of the first players that comes to mind.

 

[lodro]

Re. umpire in the Germany -China match.
Who is the little dictator with the inferiority complex ????
He keeps criticizing serves and completely brakes the rhythm of the server. "Toss it up higher" but really, 6" is enough to be legal.
In a match like this , an umpire should be from the USA or Sth. America.

 

[igorponger]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005171750363.html

Have a touch of royal luxury 🤴👸

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

One point to make - Lim and Jang were Vice WTTC Champions in MD in 2021 *and* 2023. They are not an ordinary doubles team. I struggle to remember the last time Harimoto actually played doubles with Togami as his partner. Add the lack of lefties and it just isn't even a serious conversation. The 3-0 was a reasonable result. We can blame Harimoto and Togami for not being calm at critical times, but I am confident that if they actually played more with each other, they could resolve some of the issues. I mean, Mizutani and Niwa managed to be serviceable at the Olympics, give that some thought.

I think it is very important to note that it is the Olympic year, and everything is based on it.
The men's pairing preparation will be for OG Teams.
Any other pairing months before the event is really not ideal, so unless Harimoto and Togami are going to be pairing in Paris, I won't even treat it as serious like all those 5ch users are. there is just no chance that Harimoto will be playing in the doubles.

Women's side is more interesting, as there is more depth in than the men's but still, doubles is a specialise position and very different training routines compared to your singles

Due to mafia approach, JNT top players had to pitch in this event. So they have pitch and they don't need to be making negative inroads for Paris.

There is a reason why so many players give this teams world cup a missed, and some players that are there are "just relaxing". You won't see too many players playing they energy out to win.