ITTF World Team Table Tennis Championships Finals Busan 2024

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Let me ask you this question then, how did China gets the tables and balls? What is it that made them able to get them, but other countries can't?

DHS has a team that is there to service CNT
1 week before CNT landed, few DHS staff landed to setup a "special hall" for CNT.

I do not know if there is any conflict of interest, but to me, if you are an event sponsor, and give special equipment or service to 1 country, should you not do it to others?

They had boxes of DF match balls there too. So, CNT didn't need to bring in any equipment.

So, does this answer say enough?

This is from places that I can see, and you can't. What about the places I can't see (ie CNT closed door training before Durban).

 

[NextLevel]

Is Gauzy the perfect #3 player for.a team? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So you're saying that you, Tony's Table Tennis, was able to get balls, but Germany and Japan can't? They need to try harder.

New Zealand can't
and on opening day, they number 1 player gave WR4 a shock
I was rooting for the kiwi to cause an upset, in return for no place to train, no ball to train

The world is never fair, and as I said it, who ever beats China, does have a higher mountain to climb and this is not just what happens inside China, it includes what happens outside China

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Is Gauzy the perfect #3 player for.a team? Inquiring minds want to know...

half way through the match, I wonder if Feng would have been a better player against Gauzy
Kao is still very lacking international experience, same with Feng on ITTF, but he does have a good few years of German league.
Kao still needs to mature more with experience and hopefully Feng too

 

[dingyibvs]

This is a completely different argument though, and which realistically has more merit than your earlier argument.

China is bankrolling the sport of table tennis basically. The fact that we can watch so many WTT events streamed live, despite the small audience and the fact that it looks like a money sink is because China has a vested interest in success at their sport. Sports are deeply embedded in nationalism and politics, and why you had Russia and China using a lot of their resources to excel (edit: I meant to say cheat) in the Olympics (including using their security forces in some instances).

Of course, if China loses interest in TT, then the whole sport is going to lose out. And maybe there is some benefit in letting the already dominant China team have an even further advantage, to keep our rich benefactors happy and interested. This is a very cynical and valid way of thinking.

But we were just talking about fairness of it all earlier. If you just take away any considerations of the funding of TT by China, there really is no fairness argument for giving them preferential practice conditions. Flying in fans to support is fair imo and gives them an edge. That seems like a fair investment. Having tournament officials involved in making sure they are more prepared by allotting them coveted resources is not fair.

I never made the argument that things are fair. I'm making the argument that things are tilted toward China in every conceivable way because they're investing far more than any other country. They're taking every advantage that they can get. It's simply missing the forest for the trees IMO to complain about little things like practice time on specific tables when their investment allows them engage the whole country to have hundreds of millions of players and a deep pool of professionals. If you don't want that to happen, start investing more.

 

[turbozed]

half way through the match, I wonder if Feng would have been a better player against Gauzy
Kao is still very lacking international experience, same with Feng on ITTF, but he does have a good few years of German league.
Kao still needs to mature more with experience and hopefully Feng too

He looked way more nervous than I've ever seen him. Wiping his palms a lot on his shirt and on the table. Left a pretty visible streak of sweat on the table. Sweaty palms is not what you want in big situations. Not sure if this is common with him or not though.

 

[dingyibvs]

DHS has a team that is there to service CNT
1 week before CNT landed, few DHS staff landed to setup a "special hall" for CNT.

I do not know if there is any conflict of interest, but to me, if you are an event sponsor, and give special equipment or service to 1 country, should you not do it to others?

They had boxes of DF match balls there too. So, CNT didn't need to bring in any equipment.

So, does this answer say enough?

This is from places that I can see, and you can't. What about the places I can't see (ie CNT closed door training before Durban).

Why is a Chinese company deeply connected to the CNT sponsoring the tournament? Why wasn't Butterfly? Or Tibhar? Or Joola? Or Xiom? Could that have something to do with money?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You sound like one of those guys who complain that test scores and GPAs are unfair because Asians spend so much time studying for them. China makes a lot more investment into TT than the rest of the world, and they have the results to show for it. Want to compete with China? Start investing more into TT.

Why do you think Taiwan is better at TT than America? Could it be because Taiwan invests more into it? Should I start complaining that TT is unfair for America because countries like Taiwan get government sponsored venues and beginner classes and travels for tournaments while we have to pay for everything ourselves here?

so just that everyone can see your logic again

other players try hard to study
but CNT gets a mock test room, test environment whom no one else has, is fair
CNT even has more time to write the exam and have so much extras perks
because CNT has a rich dad

yeah, I get it, that is how the world works!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

He looked way more nervous than I've ever seen him. Wiping his palms a lot on his shirt and on the table. Left a pretty visible streak of sweat on the table. Sweaty palms is not what you want in big situations. Not sure if this is common with him or not though.

yep
during Kao's timeout, Chuang didn't even said a single thing
Kao was really out of his comfort zone and under huge pressure

he is only 19 and not even 2 years pro

 

[dingyibvs]

I am rooting for France for two reasons:
1- Gauzy, arguably the Xu Xin in SH. Without him TT will become quite boring to watch
2- Felix, the most successful home-grown European penholder

Gauzy is naturally a fancy player, some absolutely beautiful and creative shots. Alexis tries too much to copy him IMO and should just stick to the basics like his younger brother.

 

[dingyibvs]

so just that everyone can see your logic again

other players try hard to study
but CNT gets a mock test room, test environment whom no one else has, is fair
CNT even has more time to write the exam and have so much extras perks
because CNT has a rich dad

yeah, I get it, that is how the world works!

Welcome to the real world? Rich kids get to go to better schools, get doctors who give them diagnoses that allow for extra test times (oftentimes unlimited test time), get to have mock tests at prep courses. This is what actually happens in the real world, at least here in the US.

 

[turbozed]

I never made the argument that things are fair. I'm making the argument that things are tilted toward China in every conceivable way because they're investing far more than any other country. They're taking every advantage that they can get. It's simply missing the forest for the trees IMO to complain about little things like practice time on specific tables when their investment allows them engage the whole country to have hundreds of millions of players and a deep pool of professionals. If you don't want that to happen, start investing more.

No your original argument was that @Tony's Table Tennis was whining about China having access but they invest more in table tennis and therefore they should reap the rewards.

I'm pretty sure he's aware of the fact that China invests more in table tennis, and we all know that they produce the best players in the world, because that seems obvious. But a lot of things people don't know about is what sort of preferential treatment China receives in more subtle and less justified ways. Is there any other sport you can think about where the manufacturers of equipment allow access to some teams and not others? Do the NY Yankees get to use baseballs well in advance of every other team in the MLB because they bring it more money? The answer is no, and it would be a scandal if they do because it offends basic notions of fairness.

Tony is sharing his anecdotes and knowledge about these subtle issues that we would not know about otherwise. It's interesting information that informs us about how the world of pro table tennis works, as well as potentially explaining some portion of Chinese dominance (even if it might be a fraction of percent). I don't see it as whining at all, and I'm pushing back against your assertion that it is. I think you could've sought more clarification on what his assertions were before going in so aggressively from the outset.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Welcome to the real world? Rich kids get to go to better schools, get doctors who give them diagnoses that allow for extra test times (oftentimes unlimited test time), get to have mock tests at prep courses. This is what actually happens in the real world, at least here in the US.

yep, i can see that
and did I disagree with this logic of what is happening in table tennis?

I'm was simply laughing at ITTF's post of making things fair for ALL, while the same ITTF support China's unfairness.

and then you came barking non stop at me for what? for laughing at ITTF or touching rich dad?

I really do not know what trigger you from my post there, hahaha
are you a Alexis fan?

 

[dingyibvs]

yep, i can see that
and did I disagree with this logic of what is happening in table tennis?

I'm was simply laughing at ITTF's post of making things fair for ALL, while the same ITTF support China's unfairness.

and then you came barking non stop at me for what? for laughing at ITTF or touching rich dad?

I really do not know what trigger you from my post there, hahaha
are you a Alexis fan?

I just don't see the point of complaining about something that happens everywhere in every field. Life isn't fair, be a grown up and deal with it.

 

[Atas Newton]

I don't get how at the biggest tournament we end up with a commentator whose only input is a fancy pronunciation of the name 'Lebrun', as well as recital of some stats.

 

[dingyibvs]

Damn Felix, so efficient. LYJ is playing pretty well but still down 0-2. With the way LYJ is playing though I can definitely see him still coming back. I want to see a game 5 and hopefully a match 5 as well!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I just don't see the point of complaining about something that happens everywhere in every field. Life isn't fair, be a grown up and deal with it.

haha, if I didn't say all these things, would you know?
I thought knowledge is power and I like to share knowledge
maybe you should add me to the ignore list, so you don't benefit from my knowledge.

you should grow up, man up and do that!
Sadly with TTD, I can't do that, so you do it, PLEASE

 

[turbozed]

I just don't see the point of complaining about something that happens everywhere in every field. Life isn't fair, be a grown up and deal with it.

What other sports does it happen in? And why do you want Tony to stop talking about it so much? He's not saying anything offensive or spreading misinformation. You can always scroll past his comments. Is what you're doing the 'grown up' approach?

I'm pretty confused about your motivations here, especially since I know you to be a generally reasonable poster.

 

[zeio]

Former HKG player TANG Kwok Kei and Soo Wai Yam can't stop praising and admiring F. Lebrun.

Minne just said that she remembers how LYJ made a name for himself by beating FZD at T2 Diamond Malaysia and now Felix is doing exactly that to LYJ.

 

[SFF_lib]

Both Felix and LYJ excels at rallies. But I feel Felix tends to stay close to table a hit more often. With his height it gave him the advantage to hit early.

Like FZD, later in his career LYJ also shifted his playing field from close to table to mid distance.