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I came from even poorer Eastern European country so I know it well, 2 hours private lesson was like 10 euro, it was a bargain if you had good income, now it's much more difficult to afford the same service despite much higher income 
Anyway it went a bit too personal so I shut up.
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Anyway it went a bit too personal so I shut up.
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It's stupid how expensive everything has gotten.I came from even poorer Eastern European country so I know it well, 2 hours private lesson was like 10 euro, it was a bargain if you had good income, now it's much more difficult to afford the same service despite much higher income
Anyway it went a bit too personal so I shut up.
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I can understand why some people complain about the G09C when they find it doesn't suit them.
The G09C is clearly marketed as a hard sponge and slightly tacky rubber. It won't suit all players, especially those with poor technique.
The G09C requires good technique to produce quality shots. This rubber can help you correct your core muscle engagement. How?
IMHO, because it's a slower rubber, your shot will have less power as well as the opponent returns. This slower return gives you more reaction time. This extra time allowing your core muscles to engage more effectively.
Additionally, the dwell time of the rubber is longer. This allows beginners with less speed to feel the ball better and brush it properly.
Combining these factors, a beginner can learn or correct their strokes.
If you can engage your body to hit the ball, with the forearm and wrist assisting the brushing, I guarantee you can produce high-quality shots. These shots will be more than sufficient to win points in an amateur match.
The G09C is clearly marketed as a hard sponge and slightly tacky rubber. It won't suit all players, especially those with poor technique.
The G09C requires good technique to produce quality shots. This rubber can help you correct your core muscle engagement. How?
IMHO, because it's a slower rubber, your shot will have less power as well as the opponent returns. This slower return gives you more reaction time. This extra time allowing your core muscles to engage more effectively.
Additionally, the dwell time of the rubber is longer. This allows beginners with less speed to feel the ball better and brush it properly.
Combining these factors, a beginner can learn or correct their strokes.
If you can engage your body to hit the ball, with the forearm and wrist assisting the brushing, I guarantee you can produce high-quality shots. These shots will be more than sufficient to win points in an amateur match.
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I don‘t think it is purely the hardness of the sponge, which makes G09c not being a rubber for many players.
I‘m used to hard sponges (played Tronix ZGR, V20DE and now DHS H3), but G09c is a different animal. I never managed to get any shot consistency with this rubber. Not for pushes, not for loops, not for blocks. I never had a rubber, that left me clueless on what to change to make it work on (so) many different occasions.
And I had never had a rubber, that behave so differently on different blades.
For me G09c never worked and was one of the biggest disappointments of last years testing period.
I‘m used to hard sponges (played Tronix ZGR, V20DE and now DHS H3), but G09c is a different animal. I never managed to get any shot consistency with this rubber. Not for pushes, not for loops, not for blocks. I never had a rubber, that left me clueless on what to change to make it work on (so) many different occasions.
And I had never had a rubber, that behave so differently on different blades.
For me G09c never worked and was one of the biggest disappointments of last years testing period.
To me it was really an easy to play rubber, that manages to produce more spin than you expect.
Spin sensitive - yes (very soft topsheet), on slower side - yes, tons of dwell - yes, high throw - yes, on all wood blade possibly too high, gets better on carbon blades.
Just don't take it if you like to run away from the table.
Spin sensitive - yes (very soft topsheet), on slower side - yes, tons of dwell - yes, high throw - yes, on all wood blade possibly too high, gets better on carbon blades.
Just don't take it if you like to run away from the table.
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As someone who got excited about Glayzer 09C last year, I bought two sheets (red+black) and played with them for about 3 months... Until I ripped them away from the blade and gifted them to my friends.
As someone mentioned in this topic, G09C left me clueless about what I should improve to make it work. Sometimes it shoots off far, sometimes it doesn't bounce, sometimes it spins, sometimes it doesn't.
I only regret playing with G09C on TB ALC and DHS PG6X, both very hard blades. After my friend attached the gifted sheet to his wooden Yasaka blade, the rubber became much more comfortable and I even started liking it, however the rubber lost its last bits of aggressiveness.
Maybe a booster could help, but I am surely not going to spend money on G09C ever again.
To sum it up:
- Spin - nice spin. Maybe a bit less than T05, surely less than Jupiter 2/3/BigDipper, and way less than H3 prov/nat.
- Block - excellent. In fact, blocking is something I miss about G09C, especially when I play with Chinese rubbers.
- Short game - average. For some reason, it shoots off randomly and doesn't forgive inaccuracies.
- Power - bad. Despite its relatively hard sponge, you can feel a clear threshold of power you can apply with G09C.
- Grip - average. Somehow, despite some tack, G09C has a worse grip than D09C and T05C. And not even close to Chinese rubbers in terms of grip.
G09C is surely not worth its money. Maybe if you want to have BTY equipment, it does its job. But even then, the price is too high, at which any ESN competitor thrashes G09C.
I often play with 2 great players (one is a former Olympian) who played with G09C on TB ALC and Maze, they were left with the same disappointment from the rubber. Like something is just off.
As someone mentioned in this topic, G09C left me clueless about what I should improve to make it work. Sometimes it shoots off far, sometimes it doesn't bounce, sometimes it spins, sometimes it doesn't.
I only regret playing with G09C on TB ALC and DHS PG6X, both very hard blades. After my friend attached the gifted sheet to his wooden Yasaka blade, the rubber became much more comfortable and I even started liking it, however the rubber lost its last bits of aggressiveness.
Maybe a booster could help, but I am surely not going to spend money on G09C ever again.
To sum it up:
- Spin - nice spin. Maybe a bit less than T05, surely less than Jupiter 2/3/BigDipper, and way less than H3 prov/nat.
- Block - excellent. In fact, blocking is something I miss about G09C, especially when I play with Chinese rubbers.
- Short game - average. For some reason, it shoots off randomly and doesn't forgive inaccuracies.
- Power - bad. Despite its relatively hard sponge, you can feel a clear threshold of power you can apply with G09C.
- Grip - average. Somehow, despite some tack, G09C has a worse grip than D09C and T05C. And not even close to Chinese rubbers in terms of grip.
G09C is surely not worth its money. Maybe if you want to have BTY equipment, it does its job. But even then, the price is too high, at which any ESN competitor thrashes G09C.
I often play with 2 great players (one is a former Olympian) who played with G09C on TB ALC and Maze, they were left with the same disappointment from the rubber. Like something is just off.
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I used to play with hurricane 3, it's not the lack of speed or tackiness. It's the lack of performance. It can only go that far, a hurricane practically doesn't have a ceiling.
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was also wondering about switching from the normal Glayzer on BH to G09C.
But Thought fuck it ,and I PlayT Iibhar Hybrid MX on BH and BluestarA! on FH.
The First Half Season is set herefore,training,training,Training.
But Thought fuck it ,and I PlayT Iibhar Hybrid MX on BH and BluestarA! on FH.
The First Half Season is set herefore,training,training,Training.
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Is there anyone who likes Glazyer09c and has found a cheaper alternative that plays similarly? Feels so much better for me on viscaria compared to Dignics80 which I hated immediately.
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I don't think there is an alternative to Glazyer 09c. As you can tell, some people love it. Some people hate it. I have not seen a rubber dividing people up so much (well Sanwei Target National aside). If you love it, then just buy the rubber and take a good care of it, and forget about a cheaper alternative.
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Rakza Z is my answer. It's cheaper but not as much.
I can easily switch these rubbers between my FH and BH without any issues.
Just be aware that Rakza Z might become bouncier over time. You may need to adjust your strokes slightly, while G09C tends to maintain its characteristics for longer time.
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Thank you both, I've tried some Xiom rubbers that I liked too but performance drops off really quickly and my current Glazyer90c is very new so it remains to be seen how long it can last. The shop I went to recommended G09c as a stepping stone to Dignics09c which if I go for will only be because Dignics lasts longer. I've also read elsewhere on this forum that G09c plays similarly to Loki T3. Now I'm not sure if I wanna continue sticking with G09c or go up or down lol or maybe just go tacky all the way with some chinese rubber. Really hate to continuously EJ though which is why I put off changing out my D80 for the longest time even though I didn't like the initial feeling.
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Stick with G09c. Butterfly products usually last forever. If you like it and the sheet is new, don't get tempted to EJ. you have found the one! Just take care of the rubber and you will save more money in the long run than go EJ'ing.
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I agree. I played H3 before. The question is, can I get the full potential of H3, especially on my BH? For many of us (hobbyist and amateur), it's challenging to do so.
With G09C, even hobbyists can! All I need is the right technique. By engaging my core muscles effectively during the strokes, even with weaker muscles to generate power, I can still penetrate the sponge and utilize the rubber, and my blade as well!
If anyone struggle to penetrate with the 2.1mm, you even get 1.9mm as an opt.
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I played Glayzer 09C on Harimoto ALC. Good rubber for amateurs and learning players. The rubber is very slow, spin is recent, control is outstanding, but for it's price, you can buy many better or cheaper rubbers. If you need a rubber for powerful topspin, I don't recommend.
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you all mention the price.... here in Greece costs 45Euro. I cannot find a similar rubber with less. Maybe Sieger PK50 from a european shop but the Post&Handling expenses will sent the price above 50Euro.
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