Samson Dubina sexual assault case

[JediJesseS]

If that is your interpretation sure. But he was not found guilty of this in a court of law. So you are entitled to your rabid speculation.

What do you mean? I haven't interpreted anything. He pled guilty to 1st degree misdemeanor assault of the victim.

 

[NextLevel]

What do you mean? I haven't interpreted anything. He pled guilty to 1st degree misdemeanor assault of the victim.

What were the details of this assault? What specific harm or injury did he cause the victim? Let's remember, you can bring guilty of pushing someone to get a first degree assault charge. Most people would just call him a mean person and move on.

 

[JediJesseS]

Everyone knows innocent people take plea deals all the time.

What were the details of this assault? What specific harm or injury did he cause the victim?

The irony is simply not lost on me that the initial sentiment was "how can you assume anything before an official verdict has been reached, I will only believe what the court finds". And now that the court has found him guilty of assault, they say "well I don't really believe that either, he is really innocent, who knows what happened".

Very telling of those who want to have it both ways.

 

[NextLevel]

The irony is simply not lost on me that the initial sentiment was "how can you assume anything before an official verdict has been reached, I will only believe what the court finds". And now that the court has found him guilty of assault, they say "well I don't really believe that either, he is really innocent, who knows what happened".

Very telling of those who want to have it both ways.

He is guilty of something. The question is what? Harming a minor? Pushing her over the stairs?

I have no doubt that everyone can form their own intelligent opinions on what happened. But what exactly he is guilty of here has been left to the imagination. If it wasn't you would have a good answer.

 

[RefereeNumber2]

It's clear that a number of people posting in this thread do not understand how the legal system in the US works. We will not get additional details because Dubina made a plea deal. A criminal trial would have made more evidence public, but he (presumably with advice from his lawyers) made the decision that a trial would be worse than pleading guilty and serving 60 days in jail, etc.

From this, we can infer that the process and potential outcomes of a trial would have been risky or damaging for Dubina. One reason to avoid a trial could be the risk of becoming a registered sex offender if found guilty of the sexual imposition charge. Another reason is that he might want to prevent details/evidence of the crime (and we can say it was a crime -- by definition since he's plead guilty) from coming to light in a trial.

So while the details of the crime remain unknown (outside of those close to the situation who may understandably want to protect their privacy), that does not mean we don't know anything about the severity of the crime he committed. If Dubina wanted those details to be made public, he only needed to go to trial. The fact that he chose a certain jail sentence over that outcome is revealing in itself.

 

[JediJesseS]

If Dubina wanted those details to be made public, he only needed to go to trial. The fact that he chose a certain jail sentence over that outcome is revealing in itself.

Very well written. His actions do not square with his defiant--and frankly bizarre--email.

 

[NetProphet]

These deals should never be allowed, they only pervert the course of justice.
Unfortunately we'll never now know what he did or didn't do. I personally find it disgraceful that the legal system has devolved into this compromisory 'truth not needed' bargaining system. It only helps those prosecuting to tidy it up quickly and the perpetrators to avoid potential heavier punishment. I can't see how it helps the victim or anyone else.
And saying 'oh it helps the victim avoid having to speak about it and the trauma associated with that'... bla bla bla. That's proven to be BS the vast majority of the time because if it happened then the victim will be living with it forever anyway. At least seeing actual justice done might give them some faith or confidence that there's a system out there to help protect them and not rack up numbers for the DA.

 

[turbozed]

I know you're trying to lighten the mood and mean no harm. But there are a few 'new members' here that seem very upset about this case, so we might want to upgrade the sensitivity level in this thread a bit. We're already at a point where I feel some moderator intervention might be helpful.

 

[Peter93]

Yotsumoto was 30 when the first two photos were taken wtf are you talking about.

 

[SrSTT]

I would like to point out that there is a Vast difference in jail vs prison in the USA. In most cases a sentence of less than a year can (and will) be served in the local county jail due to crowded prisons. Much easier 'time' from the defendant's standpoint. This could factor into a plea decision on the part of the defendant. I dont know for certain how Ohio is structured tho.
Also, pleading to a more serious charge to stay off a sex offender registry happens more than youd think.
(fwiw, i was employed in the "justice" system for a short while a few years ago.)

 

[NextLevel]

It's clear that a number of people posting in this thread do not understand how the legal system in the US works. We will not get additional details because Dubina made a plea deal. A criminal trial would have made more evidence public, but he (presumably with advice from his lawyers) made the decision that a trial would be worse than pleading guilty and serving 60 days in jail, etc.

From this, we can infer that the process and potential outcomes of a trial would have been risky or damaging for Dubina. One reason to avoid a trial could be the risk of becoming a registered sex offender if found guilty of the sexual imposition charge. Another reason is that he might want to prevent details/evidence of the crime (and we can say it was a crime -- by definition since he's plead guilty) from coming to light in a trial.

So while the details of the crime remain unknown (outside of those close to the situation who may understandably want to protect their privacy), that does not mean we don't know anything about the severity of the crime he committed. If Dubina wanted those details to be made public, he only needed to go to trial. The fact that he chose a certain jail sentence over that outcome is revealing in itself.

The motives presented while plausible are speculative. Since the plea deal keeps details private, we know he was found guilty of something but what he is guilty of is as opaque to me as it is to you. And what he wanted kept hidden (and you can assume it is not just him but others involved in the case as everyone agreed to this and his punishment is not more severe than it would have been underthe original charge, so he might not have been the only party with something to kerp hidden) is also opaque to everyone, we are just assuming it is related to the original charges and the stigma if found guilty. Everyone can intelligently speculate on what he is guilty of. But since you don't know and he wasn't found guilty of the original charges, you can speculate forever.

 

[lodro]

I know you're trying to lighten the mood and mean no harm. But there are a few 'new members' here that seem very upset about this case, so we might want to upgrade the sensitivity level in this thread a bit. We're already at a point where I feel some moderator intervention might be helpful.

the moderators have long started to "moderate". I also was a victim of being moderated, by posting a picture that i copy/pasted out of another thread here on the forum where the said picture was not moderated out.

 

[NextLevel]

No distinctions in the first press reports.

MSN

EDIT: As pointed out and in the editor's note, the article has been edited to reflect the charge Dubina pleaded guilty to.

 

[Truth]

News media has not need for subtle distinctions and interpretations. They know what a guilty plea means.

 

[NetProphet]

What do you mean? I haven't interpreted anything. He pled guilty to 1st degree misdemeanor assault of the victim.

What does it mean to say "1st degree misdemeanor assault"?
Does anyone know is he actually guilty of sexual assault of a minor or not?
I can't follow precisely what's happened or not in this determination...

 

[lodro]

I can't follow precisely what's happened or not in this determination...

Nobody can !

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Nobody can !

It is because the whole thing was not conducted in English, but rather in Parseltongue.

 

[Truth]

Referee2 and JediJessie explained it best.

 

[NetProphet]

Referee2 and JediJessie explained it best.

Then that means that even though we don't know anything, you and a few others are (it seems) hell bent on convincing everyone that he's guilty of something heinous, which in all likelihood he is not.
It's a lot of conjecture.
Does anyone know what he's actually done?
I'll have to assume not.

 

[Gtsnake]

After reading through all this my intuition tells me that something did happen. There wasn't enough to build a strong case of more serious charges so the state and the defendant took what they could and settled on a lesser charge.

Which means that he does have questionable character. Would I take my child or anyone to him for coaching. No way.....