WTT Star Contender Bangkok 2024 July 2-7

[mikeytt]

The expedite rule looks so frustrating to play with

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

The expedite rule looks so frustrating to play with

Fully agree. Super annoying to have someone count out returns.

Nonetheless, super happy for Honoka Hashimoto. It's a huge mental hurdle for her to beat Sato. She has a decent chance at winning this tournament.

 

[zeio]

Nah by that logic Korea sent CHJ to lose two points which makes no sense. SXN is way more beatable than Han Ying.

CHJ as the trump card had already lost its surprise effect when it failed to take out JPN at TWC 2019. On the flip side, that failure actually revealed KOR was severely limited in lineup flexibility - SYB was stuck in doubles with either JJH or CHJ, both lefties. Keep in mind JJH and SYB were the singles players like DHK and Minnie, but because of handedness, KOR couldn't pull off what HKG did. CHJ was not supposed to take on 2 singles matches, especially after that.

Like for WTTC 2018, LHC was not supposed to take on 2 singles matches as she lost in 3 of 4 team matches in which she was playing 2 singles. For TWC 2019, LHC never played 2 singles. Minnie took on that role and actually played rather well and freed DHK, paving the way to bronze for Tokyo 2020.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

I'm not supposed to be awake right now, but SHW just beat CXT 11-7 in the 5th !

 

[zeio]

KOR is no longer the team from 2004 and 2008. They don't produce choppers like they used to and hence don't play choppers as well now. Remember KOR lost to GER at Tokyo 2020 and SYB, their best hope, was the culprit. Like I touched on last month, JPN is now better than CHN (and likely the best) at playing defenders (and combination players in general), which is another reason why Hirano's subsequent loss to Pavade was insignificant in comparison. Bergstrom, SHW and HY are the pot stirrers. But without SHW and HY, KOR and GER will be a lot weaker at Paris 2024, a lame duck for the latter especially.

WS R16
CXT 2-3 SHW (5, 5, -4, -9, -7)
G5 18, 29, 69, 610, 710, 711

 

[zeio]

Nothing to add for Matsushima.

MS R16
Uda 3-1 Matsushima (-7, 7, 11, 8)
G3 610, 1110, 1111, 1311
G4 03, 43, 45, 65, 66, 76, 78, 118

WS R16
Joo Cheonhui 2-3 Ito (-8, 3, 9, -6, -6)
G5 20, 22, 42, 45, 55, 59, 69, 611

 

[NextLevel]

WS R16
CXT 2-3 SHW (5, 5, -4, -9, -7)
G5 18, 29, 69, 610, 710, 711

It's weird, the chopper they have juat beat Chen Xingting but she isn't enough for them to have good practice?

 

[FIXPOINT]

 

[zeio]

KOR is wiped out.

WD F
JJH/SYB 1-3 Hashimoto/Sato (9, -7, -8, -11)

WS R16
CHJ 2-3 YXX (7, 6, -8, -9, -7)

 

[NextLevel]

Nah by that logic Korea sent CHJ to lose two points which makes no sense. SXN is way more beatable than Han Ying.

I agree completely, people just use their common sense to look at the matchups and the scores, Ito was closer to beating Solja and Choi really should have done better *at least* against SXN.

 

[zeio]

It's weird, the chopper they have juat beat Chen Xingting but she isn't enough for them to have good practice?

Similar to JNT, there is severe "fragmentation" within KNT. They don't train together, especially SYB. HKG used to suffer from that until Li Ching took the helm in 2012 and he wrote an article on it (inaccessible now). I think JJH has touched on the poor relations among team members in her live before.

 

[zeio]

Before wasting any of my time, here are the comments from SYB and coach 추교성 on 2-3 GER at Tokyo 2020.

슬퍼 말아요, 한국의 탁구 신동…이번 올림픽은 그저 시작이에요 (Don’t be sad, Korea’s table tennis prodigy… These Olympics are just the beginning)
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/sports/sportstemp/1006284.html

신유빈은 경기 뒤 국내 취재진에 “단체전 4단식에서 내가 이겼어야 하는데 못 잡았다. 언니들이 다 잡아 준 경기를 내가 마무리하지 못해 미안하다”고 말했다. 또 “까다로운 선수들과 쉽지 않은 경기를 했다. 도쿄올림픽을 경험 삼아 앞으로 더 좋은 경기를 할 수 있도록 훈련하겠다”고 강조했다.

Shin Yu-bin told domestic reporters after the game, “I should have won the team 4 singles match, but I couldn’t. “I’m sorry that I couldn’t finish the game that her older sisters caught,” she said. She also said that she had “difficult matches with difficult players. “I will use the Tokyo Olympics as an experience to train so that I can perform better in the future,” he emphasized.

https://www.chosun.com/sports/sports_photo/2021/08/03/SUKJPZOJ5MOT2DIAY3VLLPF6AI/

추교성 감독은 4강행 교두보, 독일전 필승을 위해 밤새 대진 구성을 고민했다. 제1복식을 따내고, 제2-3단식 중 하나를 잡고, 제4단식에서 수비전형에 강한 신유빈을 내세워 승부를 결정 짓겠다는 감독의 의도가 읽히는 오더다. 이를 위해서는 일단 제1복식을 잡아야 하고, '중국 귀화 에이스' 최효주, 전지희가 독일 에이스를 상대로 잘 버텨내야 한다. 이 경우 '막내온탑' 신유빈이 4강행 승부를 결정지을 기회가 찾아올 가능성이 높다. 17세 탁구신동, 한국여자탁구의 미래 신유빈이 첫 출전한 올림픽에서 생애 처음 맞붙는 38세 독일 톱랭커와 어떤 승부를 펼쳐줄지 시선이 쏠린다. 신유빈은 소속팀 대한항공 코치이기도 한 '베이징올림픽 동메달리스트' '월드클래스 깎신' 출신 김경아 여자대표팀 코치와 치열한 훈련을 통해 수비전형에 대비해왔다.

Coach Chu Kyo-seong thought about the lineup all night long to secure a bridgehead for the semifinals and a sure win against Germany. It is an order that can be read as the coach's intention to win the 1st doubles, take one of the 2nd and 3rd singles, and decide the match by featuring Shin Yu-bin, who is strong in defense, in the 4th singles. To achieve this, they must first capture the first doubles, and 'Chinese naturalized aces' Choi Hyo-joo and Jeon Ji-hee must hold out well against the German aces. In this case, it is highly likely that Shin Yu-bin, the ‘youngest member of the team’, will have the opportunity to decide whether to advance to the semifinals. Attention is focused on what kind of match Shin Yu-bin, a 17-year-old table tennis prodigy and the future of Korean women's table tennis, will have against the 38-year-old German top ranker, who she is facing for the first time in her life at the Olympics, where she is competing. Shin Yu-bin has been preparing for the defensive battle through intense training with the women's national team coach Kim Kyung-ah, a former Beijing Olympic bronze medalist and world-class coach, who is also the coach of her team, Korean Air.

-올림픽- 빛바랜 신유빈의 불꽃타…여자탁구, 독일에 역전패해 8강 탈락
https://www.hankyung.com/article/202108038006Y

추교성 여자 대표팀 감독은 그동안 가동한 신유빈-최효주가 아닌, 신유빈-전지희 조합을 1복식에 내보내는 모험수를 던졌다.

기량과 경험에서 가장 앞서는 전지희를 단식에 한 번만 내보내는 손해를 감수하고라도 반드시 1복식을 잡아 기선을 제압하겠다는 복안이었다.

Coach Chu Kyo-seong of the women's national team took a risky move by sending the combination of Shin Yu-bin and Jeon Ji-hee to the first doubles match instead of the usual Shin Yu-bin and Choi Hyo-joo.

Her plan was to overpower Jeon Ji-hee, who was most advanced in skill and experience, by winning the first doubles match, even if she had to take the loss of only one singles match.

 

[zeio]

That was Li Ching's plan against GER as well, winning the doubles, the 3rd by DHK and either the 2nd or the 4th by Minnie. But when they lost the doubles, the burden was on Minnie to take 2 matches.

https://www.hk01.com/社會新聞/660167/大讚蘇慧音絕處反彈-回應激情教導運動員-李靜-溝通直接效果好

東京奧運女子乒乓球團體銅牌賽，港隊以場數3:1反勝德國，奪得銅牌，是港隊女子乒乓球隊奧運史上首個獎牌。港隊女子乒乓隊教練李靜今（6日）在港台節目時提到，今次隊員的表現為預期外，對結果感到意外，「證明球員通過自己努力爭取返嚟，實至名歸」。

港隊在首場雙打，場數落後0:1。李靜指，由雙打落後到最後奪得銅牌，「起伏好大」，原本打算最後的單打項目由蘇慧音「搏一分」，但最後她以超群表現勝出比賽，形容是喜出望外。他續指，蘇慧音首度參與奧運，在最後四強負責出戰兩場單打壓力很大，在對戰德國前的賽事更是「未贏過」，笑言她是「絕處反彈」。

And here is Yoo Namkyu's comment on CHJ and SYB as the "surprise soldiers" at TWC 2019, with SYB being the more prominent one.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/2019-ittf-world-tour-grand-finals.22442/post-299256

 

[zeio]

MS QF
LJH 2-3 Harimoto (-2, -6, 9, 11, -10)

WS QF
JJH 2-3 Hashimoto (-4, 11, 7, -3, -5)
G4 30 TO for Hashimoto, 311. 11 points in a row for Hashimoto!
G5 20, 25, 35, 37, 47, 48, 58, 511

 

[turbozed]

WS QF
JJH vs Hashimoto (-4, 11, 7, -3, )
G4 30 TO for Hashimoto, 311. 11 points in a row for Hashimoto!

Is there a specific word for getting 11 points in a row in a game when the score isn't 11-0?

Not a bagel for sure at 11-3. But winning all 11 in a row should have its own catchphrase or word.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Japanese WD are really strong: We have the Miyuu(s) and now the two choppers of Honoka and Sato.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Superstar defender, Honoka Hashimoto, takes down JJH in 5 games. JJH was well prepared for Honoka's transition to BH smash, but she threw all her punches early and didn't have enough in the tank to close it out. Great match to watch if you haven't already seen it. It's so satisfying for the fans to get the opportunity to watch Honoka's defensive brilliance.

 

[NextLevel]

Before wasting any of my time, here are the comments from SYB and coach 추교성 on 2-3 GER at Tokyo 2020.

슬퍼 말아요, 한국의 탁구 신동…이번 올림픽은 그저 시작이에요 (Don’t be sad, Korea’s table tennis prodigy… These Olympics are just the beginning)
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/sports/sportstemp/1006284.html

Shin Yu-bin told domestic reporters after the game, “I should have won the team 4 singles match, but I couldn’t. “I’m sorry that I couldn’t finish the game that her older sisters caught,” she said. She also said that she had “difficult matches with difficult players. “I will use the Tokyo Olympics as an experience to train so that I can perform better in the future,” he emphasized.

https://www.chosun.com/sports/sports_photo/2021/08/03/SUKJPZOJ5MOT2DIAY3VLLPF6AI/

Coach Chu Kyo-seong thought about the lineup all night long to secure a bridgehead for the semifinals and a sure win against Germany. It is an order that can be read as the coach's intention to win the 1st doubles, take one of the 2nd and 3rd singles, and decide the match by featuring Shin Yu-bin, who is strong in defense, in the 4th singles. To achieve this, they must first capture the first doubles, and 'Chinese naturalized aces' Choi Hyo-joo and Jeon Ji-hee must hold out well against the German aces. In this case, it is highly likely that Shin Yu-bin, the ‘youngest member of the team’, will have the opportunity to decide whether to advance to the semifinals. Attention is focused on what kind of match Shin Yu-bin, a 17-year-old table tennis prodigy and the future of Korean women's table tennis, will have against the 38-year-old German top ranker, who she is facing for the first time in her life at the Olympics, where she is competing. Shin Yu-bin has been preparing for the defensive battle through intense training with the women's national team coach Kim Kyung-ah, a former Beijing Olympic bronze medalist and world-class coach, who is also the coach of her team, Korean Air.

-올림픽- 빛바랜 신유빈의 불꽃타…여자탁구, 독일에 역전패해 8강 탈락
https://www.hankyung.com/article/202108038006Y

Coach Chu Kyo-seong of the women's national team took a risky move by sending the combination of Shin Yu-bin and Jeon Ji-hee to the first doubles match instead of the usual Shin Yu-bin and Choi Hyo-joo.

Her plan was to overpower Jeon Ji-hee, who was most advanced in skill and experience, by winning the first doubles match, even if she had to take the loss of only one singles match.

It is good they felt that way. Most of us know that Han Ying is almost unbeatable the first time you play her so good luck to Shin with that plan and putting it all on the shoulders of a 17 year old at the Olympics.

 

[NextLevel]

Japanese WD are really strong: We have the Miyuu(s) and now the two choppers of Honoka and Sato.

The two choppers used to do that on the ITTF tour before they stopped travelling. It is old wine in New flasks.

 

[fore.n.back]

Nothing to add for Matsushima.

MS R16
Uda 3-1 Matsushima (-7, 7, 11, 8)
G3 610, 1110, 1111, 1311
G4 03, 43, 45, 65, 66, 76, 78, 118

WS R16
Joo Cheonhui 2-3 Ito (-8, 3, 9, -6, -6)
G5 20, 22, 42, 45, 55, 59, 69, 611

Uda came back from injury and gave Harimoto a run for his money then whooped Shinopi and Sora butt lmao, I hope he does well against Lin YJ tonight