11-0 Good or Bad?

[Burgerrr_]

I had one time I stood 10 to 0 last season. I didn't give him one point. 'cause he was the hole game/match angry and evil(to himself) 'cause he lost points. When I gave him one point, he really didn't feel better by himself. In this situation I don't give a point to someone who the hole game/match angry or evil is to himself. But when I play a match versus someone who friendly is, or a good friend/someone of the club I think I'd give a point..

(sorry 'cause my English )

 

[Der_Echte]

Burger, Ur English is perfectly acceptable.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

SMIRNOV Alexey

BASTIAN Klaus

3:0 (11:1, 11:0, 11:0, 0:0, 0:0)

Not much mercy there from Smirnov ^^

Crazy. That is brutal.

 

[Burgerrr_]

okay thankyou der_echte

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I still contend that it depends on the situation. Every so often you play someone who really deserves to be shut out for one reason or another. Then you do it if the opportunity arises. Every so often you are able to give someone 0 and there is a reason to make sure they get at least one point. I would start thinking about this at 8-0 so that you can just play in a way that the other person will actually win a point for themselves rather than giving it to them. I just work on stuff I am not as good at so the other person has a chance of taking control of the point.

One of the places I play is more of a nightclub with table tennis as the theme: Spin NY. Now the pros who play and give lessons there are about as good as anyone in the USA. (Not so good by international standards, but excellent by USA standards). There are a lot of recreational players there who really cannot play but do not know this because they have never seen real Table Tennis and they somehow think because they played tennis or had a table in their basement they are really good.

When I am training there, often by 7pm on weekends, my training partner and I are the best players there. Many people ask if we are pros and we laugh. We are nowhere close. But often guys come up and want to play us. Some of them say something like: "I just want to see what it is like to play someone as good as you." Then I just play nice. If I am goofing around they still don't have much of a chance. Every so often they think they can win and sometimes they even want to bet. I don't let them bet, because that would not be fair. Although, I might let them buy me a beer from the bar. (I know, a table tennis club with a full bar: that could lead to some trouble). Anyway, when I am playing one of those guys who does not get it and thinks they can beat me, even though they really have no chance, I will play for the shutout sometimes, because, sometimes they get it when they cannot get one point.

In real competition against a player closer to my level, I usually will try and make it so they get 1 point, but, not always. There are really times when someone deserves to be shut out. And then, there are times when working on trying to be perfect is valuable as well.

The other day I was playing someone who is a higher level then I am and he usually either beats me or goofs around. He plays nice so that the matches are fun when we play. Now, he was having a bad day and I was having a good day. We were playing a match and I was up 2-0 (in a best of 5) and the 3rd game I was killing him. The last game he seemed to fall apart and I was capitalizing on his vulnerabilities. At 8-0 I did not let up because he is really better than I am. But at 10-0 I did make sure he got a point. I will be happy that I played so well and there was no need to push for the shutout when I was thoroughly dominant and he was having a bad day. I can think of many other players of his level who I would have tried for the 11-0 final game because of how they are when they play me. But not this guy.

We laughed about the match afterwards. Everybody has their days off.

 

[T!Christian]

I still contend that it depends on the situation. Every so often you play someone who really deserves to be shut out for one reason or another. Then you do it if the opportunity arises. Every so often you are able to give someone 0 and there is a reason to make sure they get at least one point. I would start thinking about this at 8-0 so that you can just play in a way that the other person will actually win a point for themselves rather than giving it to them. I just work on stuff I am not as good at so the other person has a chance of taking control of the point.

One of the places I play is more of a nightclub with table tennis as the theme: Spin NY. Now the pros who play and give lessons there are about as good as anyone in the USA. (Not so good by international standards, but excellent by USA standards). There are a lot of recreational players there who really cannot play but do not know this because they have never seen real Table Tennis and they somehow think because they played tennis or had a table in their basement they are really good.

When I am training there, often by 7pm on weekends, my training partner and I are the best players there. Many people ask if we are pros and we laugh. We are nowhere close. But often guys come up and want to play us. Some of them say something like: "I just want to see what it is like to play someone as good as you." Then I just play nice. If I am goofing around they still don't have much of a chance. Every so often they think they can win and sometimes they even want to bet. I don't let them bet, because that would not be fair. Although, I might let them buy me a beer from the bar. (I know, a table tennis club with a full bar: that could lead to some trouble). Anyway, when I am playing one of those guys who does not get it and thinks they can beat me, even though they really have no chance, I will play for the shutout sometimes, because, sometimes they get it when they cannot get one point.

In real competition against a player closer to my level, I usually will try and make it so they get 1 point, but, not always. There are really times when someone deserves to be shut out. And then, there are times when working on trying to be perfect is valuable as well.

The other day I was playing someone who is a higher level then I am and he usually either beats me or goofs around. He plays nice so that the matches are fun when we play. Now, he was having a bad day and I was having a good day. We were playing a match and I was up 2-0 (in a best of 5) and the 3rd game I was killing him. The last game he seemed to fall apart and I was capitalizing on his vulnerabilities. At 8-0 I did not let up because he is really better than I am. But at 10-0 I did make sure he got a point. I will be happy that I played so well and there was no need to push for the shutout when I was thoroughly dominant and he was having a bad day. I can think of many other players of his level who I would have tried for the 11-0 final game because of how they are when they play me. But not this guy.

We laughed about the match afterwards. Everybody has their days off.

What a nice story!
i want to hear more about Spin NY, i read alot about it but i'd l e to get news from someone who actually plays there

 

[Der_Echte]

Thanks Carl, that waz mighty interestin'.

That is a good account of TT life in such an environment, but myself, I would charge him the full allocation of six beers to share together after the match. After all, you are essentially giving the dude a free lesson, so why not charge him a bit for the lesson. What better medium than beer among makes who enjoy the stuff? Plus both get personal interaction afterwards. 6 beers at even an expensive place costs less than 30 minutes of a coach's time anywayz.

Maybe you could give players in this situation a beer handicap, where the stronger player has to drink more beer right before the match to even things out. Like if a player 3 levels below you plays you, he gets a 4 point handicap under 2+1+1 system. You both drink a beer, then you have 30 minutes to drink up the rest of the beer handicap, which in this case is 4 (FOUR!), then you both go at it in the match. cahllenging player pays for the beer handicap.

This would be an interesting and attractive marketing plan, but obviously, a stronger player can do this only 1-3 times on a given night.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

What a nice story!
i want to hear more about Spin NY, i read alot about it but i'd l e to get news from someone who actually plays there

I will try to write something more about Spin NYC soon. But tonight, to bed. Tomorrow I have to wake up way too early.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Thanks Carl, that waz mighty interestin'.

That is a good account of TT life in such an environment, but myself, I would charge him the full allocation of six beers to share together after the match. After all, you are essentially giving the dude a free lesson, so why not charge him a bit for the lesson. What better medium than beer among makes who enjoy the stuff? Plus both get personal interaction afterwards. 6 beers at even an expensive place costs less than 30 minutes of a coach's time anywayz.

Maybe you could give players in this situation a beer handicap, where the stronger player has to drink more beer right before the match to even things out. Like if a player 3 levels below you plays you, he gets a 4 point handicap under 2+1+1 system. You both drink a beer, then you have 30 minutes to drink up the rest of the beer handicap, which in this case is 4 (FOUR!), then you both go at it in the match. cahllenging player pays for the beer handicap.

This would be an interesting and attractive marketing plan, but obviously, a stronger player can do this only 1-3 times on a given night.

Sounds like this could lead to a lot of alcohol consumption.

 

[Der_Echte]

My comments are valid for those who use public transportation, which is very excellent here in Korea and also likely good in NYC as well.

Even for those who drive here, there are SO MANY college grads who absolutely CANNOT find a 1/2-azz decent job, because there are so few opening for them. These types make their own Designated Driver business of driving the drunk dude and his car back to his apartment for a rediculous low price of $15 USD fro a 5-10 mile trip. they even give a bonus free ride after 5 rides with the same designated driver.

Koreans could in theory, and in much practice, drive while sober to teh TT venue, play TT, then go out to a pub, park the car if parking is available, drink it up, then call one of these designated drivers to take the drunken or buzzed TT player home to hiz apartment on the cheap. They respond almost instantly, especially if you give them 30-60 minutes notice. They are always texting you offering their services and it is a pretty competitive business as it is easy to enter this field and there are LOTS of qualified business oportunists available to fill this service.

As much as Korea has a deserved bad rep for over-drinking, there is a cheap an effective way to handle even getting the car home that is so inexpensive there is absolutely ZERO reason to drive drunk.

This method requires almost ZERO inconvenient prior planning and coordinating and can be doen totally on impulse, which is how many in the world roll. This method is especially effective when the friends of hte driver chip in to cover the low cost. I have done this several times for our club's No 2 player when I wanted to get everyone together somewhere away from our TT club.

This method allows some reasonable fun and is totally a responsible way to get home safe and protect the nation from the terrorist crime of drunk driving deaths.

To bad we live too spred out in USA for this kind of service to be so inexpensive.

 

[Der_Echte]

Sounds like this could lead to a lot of alcohol consumption.

Depends on what you determine a LOT to be. 6 US sized beers in volume is equal to 4 German .5 litre sized beers, but since most US beer is 3.5% in many places, an average 6 pack of US beer is like 3 average German beers, sometimes less. To some people, this is a lot, and justifyably so, espcially if one must drive, it is WAY too much. To some others, it wouldn'teven make them burp.

When I lived in Southern Germany, the tap water was contaminated with Kalk. There was no way you could drink the tap water and stay alive. All you could really do with it is shave, take a shower (that was real harsh on the skin) or wash dishes. You took your long term health away if you drink that tap water.

This caused everyone to use alternate sources of drinking water. You had to go to the Getraenkemarkt (a store spcializing in selling bottled water, soda, juice, and beer.) to buy your bottled spring water or mineral water with gas bubbles. (Great stuff it is) Even a major brand or two sells well outside of Germany. Many Southerners got their hydration from beer. They would drink several .5 litre bottles (about 4 onces larger than US size of a bottle) with dinner and when next door neighbor visit, they would break out another several beers. It was not uncommon for a German male to drink 5-6 beers a night in a 2-3 hour span. German beer usually runs around 5-5.5%, but there are stronger versions as well.

That is the culture in that region, but it is certainly not the world standard by default.

 

[Pongfinity]

LOL @ "'From my own experience I was 10-0 down and he gave me a point and I won the set 12-10. But anyway most of the time I give a point, especially for the players I respect, but I only do it because the other players will have not so good opinion about me if I don't' Hunor Szocs, Romanian National Mens Team"

But I agree him. Why give the other a point if you can beat him 11-0? There is no difference if the other got 0 or 1 point, he lost anyway. When I was younger I of course didn't want to loose 11-0 but now that I'm older it doesn't matter. If the other is so good that he can win 11 points in row then that's it.

If I'm leading 10-0 it kind of depends on who I'm playing against and which game it is. If I'm e.g. the clearly better player I give the point but if the opponent is same level as me I'll try to win it 11-0 especially if its not last game, because it's better to focus on the good play all the time and not start to give free points to the other. Your good "flow" can go away if you give the free point at 10-0 and its not last game.

if I'm loosing 0-10 I don't care about it. 0 or 1 point no difference. If it's 0-10 and the other gives me 1 point for free I would very likely give him the next point free.

 

[Kevzar]

I had a tournament last weekend and won a game 11-0. The guy had much better technique than me but I had better tactics and serves. Went on to win 2-2 11-5.

 

[Alborz]

i only try to win that game

 

[amekun]

well just to add on
sometimes i reach up to 10 - 0
im an 11 - 0
because doing a mistake on purpose makes me feel that im belittling or looking down on him
and by playing my all makes me and my opponent happy because we did our best
well thats just my opinion

 

[Michal_Z]

Hmm.. So now we know Liam Pitchfords opinion

Liam Pitchford vs. Zoran Primorac Russian Open 2014 MS round 2

 

[sebas-aguirre]

sometimes the opponent might actually feel offended if you "give" them a point.

 

[braithey]

I always give a point, for me its about courtesy and respect. Its not just about winning, its important how you play the game. I don't need to crush some one to make me feel good or inflate my ego.

 

[anchorschmidt]

It doesn't matter either way if an opponent beats me 11-0 or 11-1 because I know that the set is lost at 10-0. While playing for fun or training, I'll probably give away a point because it's a part of "tradition" and it diffuses the tension a little bit. The only exceptions are people who annoy me with excessive celebrating/ talking out loud too much between points or players who think way too highly . Then I want them to lose 11-0 though this has happened only once. The vast majority of people that I play with are easy to get along with.

I play for a team and I haven't been in such a dominating position as of yet but I think that I will probably apply the same principle in general. In addition, If the team is strong, maybe I'll push for the 11-0 so that my team gains a psychological edge.

 

[Pingpongin']

Depends on what you determine a LOT to be. 6 US sized beers in volume is equal to 4 German .5 litre sized beers, but since most US beer is 3.5% in many places, an average 6 pack of US beer is like 3 average German beers, sometimes less. To some people, this is a lot, and justifyably so, espcially if one must drive, it is WAY too much. To some others, it wouldn'teven make them burp.

When I lived in Southern Germany, the tap water was contaminated with Kalk. There was no way you could drink the tap water and stay alive. All you could really do with it is shave, take a shower (that was real harsh on the skin) or wash dishes. You took your long term health away if you drink that tap water.

This caused everyone to use alternate sources of drinking water. You had to go to the Getraenkemarkt (a store spcializing in selling bottled water, soda, juice, and beer.) to buy your bottled spring water or mineral water with gas bubbles. (Great stuff it is) Even a major brand or two sells well outside of Germany. Many Southerners got their hydration from beer. They would drink several .5 litre bottles (about 4 onces larger than US size of a bottle) with dinner and when next door neighbor visit, they would break out another several beers. It was not uncommon for a German male to drink 5-6 beers a night in a 2-3 hour span. German beer usually runs around 5-5.5%, but there are stronger versions as well.

That is the culture in that region, but it is certainly not the world standard by default.

True hehe... since the drinking age is 16 here, after practice (usually on a friday) we go to the gasthaus and drink a few beers.... it's just how it works!