Short review of Glayzer 09c

[Tembel]

I tried G09c on BH for a short while on a Boll Spirit (outer ALC). Here are my personal findings (that probably do not apply to all):
- Serve : Decent
- Banana flick : This is where this rubber really shines, 10/10!
- Short serve returns : quite good
- 3rd ball attack vs backspin : Good
- Counter loop : Ok
- Power loop/drive : Bad
- Regular block : Ok
- Punch : Terrible
- Flat hitting : Terrible

 

[John_]

I agree. I played H3 before. The question is, can I get the full potential of H3, especially on my BH? For many of us (hobbyist and amateur), it's challenging to do so.

With G09C, even hobbyists can! All I need is the right technique. By engaging my core muscles effectively during the strokes, even with weaker muscles to generate power, I can still penetrate the sponge and utilize the rubber, and my blade as well!

If anyone struggle to penetrate with the 2.1mm, you even get 1.9mm as an opt.

IMHO.

Or get a 37° neo and be done with it. Cheaper and better. Boost it too, doesn't matter. H3 will always be better.

 

[_ak]

With harder topsheet H3 will always be better as a frisbee when you throw away a yet another stupidly heavy sheet.

 

[John_]

With harder topsheet H3 will always be better as a frisbee when you throw away a yet another stupidly heavy sheet.

H3 is still the best rubber in production. There's nothing like it and that's why the entirety of China and half of the rest of the world use it. Plus it's not heavy, 39 degree 2.1 is perfectly normal. If a 20 euro rubber lasts or 2 years easy and a 60 euro tenergy dies within half a year without having a playing advantage, I'll say it's 20 euros well spent.

No Tenergy and no other rubber gives any advantage compared to a H3, it never did and it never will. No rubber has surpassed the H3 formula. It's the best because what you get out of it is what you put in, it doesn't have a ceiling. Euro/Jap rubbers do, there's a point where they just can't reach. The high tension, grippy surface and soft sponge will limit your spin generation and power output, a tacky topsheet and a hard sponge simply don't do that.

 

[_ak]

Nope, 54g cut is not normal for 39d 2.1. Play with it yourself.

Anyway just stop whining and use H3, but you gave up for some reason, noone cares about the rest long read patheti BS.

 

[banbekas]

G09C is better than Hurricane 3 provincial when it comes to cost performance. It degrades slower than a boosted H3. I can get a month out of my boosted H3 BS and the next boosting just doesn't feel the same anymore. G09C tho seems to retain its spin and quality better than H3. It's better in the long run than buying a h3 every month.

I think people should stop talking about rubber's ceiling or something similar to that. It's not like we can reach that supposed ceiling and activate the rubber's potential in every shot. In a match situation where you become stiff and nervous, the lower ceiling of g09c is a blessing.

 

[John_]

G09C is better than Hurricane 3 provincial when it comes to cost performance. It degrades slower than a boosted H3. I can get a month out of my boosted H3 BS and the next boosting just doesn't feel the same anymore. G09C tho seems to retain its spin and quality better than H3. It's better in the long run than buying a h3 every month.

I think people should stop talking about rubber's ceiling or something similar to that. It's not like we can reach that supposed ceiling and activate the rubber's potential in every shot. In a match situation where you become stiff and nervous, the lower ceiling of g09c is a blessing.

If you need a hurricane every month then you simply don't know how to maintain it. My 4 year old sheets can still hold the ball for about 10 seconds, that's good maintenance.

Buy a provincial orange and you have more speed, a ton more spin, and massively more durability.

 

[Kopp]

If you need a hurricane every month then you simply don't know how to maintain it. My 4 year old sheets can still hold the ball for about 10 seconds, that's good maintenance.

Buy a provincial orange and you have more speed, a ton more spin, and massively more durability.

If someone can consistently penetrate the sponge with a topspin stroke and power, the pips will break within 3-6 months at most. Advanced players might break them even sooner. I might be wrong, but that's what I've seen.

Or do Chinese rubbers tend to break easily? IDK

 

[_ak]

I didn't understand how topsheet tackiness is related to sponge boosting.
Anyway these very tacky Hurricanes are gone.

 

[IB66]

H3 is still the best rubber in production. There's nothing like it and that's why the entirety of China and half of the rest of the world use it. Plus it's not heavy, 39 degree 2.1 is perfectly normal. If a 20 euro rubber lasts or 2 years easy and a 60 euro tenergy dies within half a year without having a playing advantage, I'll say it's 20 euros well spent.

No Tenergy and no other rubber gives any advantage compared to a H3, it never did and it never will. No rubber has surpassed the H3 formula. It's the best because what you get out of it is what you put in, it doesn't have a ceiling. Euro/Jap rubbers do, there's a point where they just can't reach. The high tension, grippy surface and soft sponge will limit your spin generation and power output, a tacky top sheet and a hard sponge simply don't do that.

Ask yourself if it wasn't for the sponsorship deal DHS have with the CNT, in that a DHS rubber must be used on any CNT players FH, then would that player still use the DHS rubber??
OK, many probably would, but money talks!!
Also in the past, Tenergy was used on the BH side by many CNT players who would then twiddle the Tenergy onto FH side when smashing, because Tenergy was easier to smash with ETC
Additionally, DHS have had to revise the H3 top sheet, reducing the tackiness levels. Why?? perhaps to bring it in line with modern hybrids.
mind you for £ 20- 30 H3 is great value.

 

[Kopp]

Ask yourself if it wasn't for the sponsorship deal DHS have with the CNT, in that a DHS rubber must be used on any CNT players FH, then would that player still use the DHS rubber??

No, all of them will glue D09C 😂

 

[banbekas]

If you need a hurricane every month then you simply don't know how to maintain it. My 4 year old sheets can still hold the ball for about 10 seconds, that's good maintenance.

Buy a provincial orange and you have more speed, a ton more spin, and massively more durability.

Never talked about the tack here, I was talking about the sponge. You said you just need to boost H3. Unfortunately, a boosted H3 only lasts for a month, and you need to re-boost it. The feeling of the rubber after re-boosting it is just not the same anymore. I'm not a professional, but I sure don't like the feel of the re-boosted H3.

Getting a commercial one is fine and all but QC is horrible; Good if I get the good one but what if I get the horrible one? I'd be wasting my money. I'm not playing lottery with my equipment. Losing in a tournament is a big no for me, I have face to keep here, lol. The hassle of boosting is also not worth it.

With G09C though, I don't need to worry about QC and durability. BTY's QC is top notch, and the durability has always been incredible. While ESN and boosted H3 lost their juice in a rather sharp downturn, g09c and bty's products would lose it gradually which means I don't need to do any extreme adjustments for my stroke. What's more, it's forgiving and for someone who loves winning tournaments, that quality is very desirable.

 

[_ak]

I would like to try a provincial H3 OS one day and on case of bad sheet this question will be closed forever. BS seems to be a different anymal with not very suitable characteristics to me.

Amateurs talking about Tenergy limits are funny, like they've beaten Timo.

 

[John_]

If someone can consistently penetrate the sponge with a topspin stroke and power, the pips will break within 3-6 months at most. Advanced players might break them even sooner. I might be wrong, but that's what I've seen.

Or do Chinese rubbers tend to break easily? IDK

You can't break rubber. Maybe plastic, but not rubber. Unless you let it to dry in the sun, that's a whole other story.

 

[John_]

Ask yourself if it wasn't for the sponsorship deal DHS have with the CNT, in that a DHS rubber must be used on any CNT players FH, then would that player still use the DHS rubber??
OK, many probably would, but money talks!!
Also in the past, Tenergy was used on the BH side by many CNT players who would then twiddle the Tenergy onto FH side when smashing, because Tenergy was easier to smash with ETC
Additionally, DHS have had to revise the H3 top sheet, reducing the tackiness levels. Why?? perhaps to bring it in line with modern hybrids.
mind you for £ 20- 30 H3 is great value.

They changed the topsheet because it's cheaper. The more expensive hurricane rubbers still have the tackier surface. Plus many complained that they couldn't use it because it was tacky, so yes, in part they did it so they could sell more. It's called business.

And yes they would use it because it doesn't matter what rubber you give to a pro, they'll still use it effectively if it's close to their preferences.

 

[banbekas]

Whatever you say ma long, I'm sure loosing on a tournament will end your career and destroy your life. Use what you wanna use, it's all the same in the end, they just play different, and the hurricane is simply better.

You don't even have to boost it to get good performance out of it, just hit harder if you want more speed.

I know it's rocket science, but I'm sure you understand this, more brush = more spin and more power = more speed.

I hit hard enough to blast the ball even with only unboosted B2/ H3 on an all wood, all round, 5 ply blade. It doesn't change the fact that Boosted H3 provincial is just better than unboosted one. What's the point on getting an H3 BS unboosted?

Boosted H3 BS is better than almost any rubbers I can think of and I'm not denying that. Cost performance though, it's not. For me g09c, for cost and performance as an amateur, makes much more sense. Forgiving, easier to use, respectable spin and speed.

 

[tzifos]

What's the point on getting an H3 BS unboosted?

Just to exercise your body, especially legs, wrist, elbow and shoulder !!

 

[Kopp]

.. For me g09c, for cost and performance as an amateur, makes much more sense. Forgiving, easier to use, respectable spin and speed.

Agree. Learning, and practising the techniques in the games are easier. May not gives highest quality shot but in an amatuer match you may still win many points with this rubber.

 

[Angerer]

Agree. Learning, and practising the techniques in the games are easier. May not gives highest quality shot but in an amatuer match you may still win many points with this rubber.

I think G09C only suits the "put ball on a table" style. Pretty good at that but for $50 it's incredible how herbivorous and tame the rubber is.
I guess, the only way to win with G09C is by putting a ball on a table and hoping the opponent misses at some point.

And the rubber isn't that durable tbh. For me, after several months of trainings, the top sheet started to wear off and lose some grip. This hasn't happened to me with T05 or H3/Jupiter.

 

[John_]

I hit hard enough to blast the ball even with only unboosted B2/ H3 on an all wood, all round, 5 ply blade. It doesn't change the fact that Boosted H3 provincial is just better than unboosted one. What's the point on getting an H3 BS unboosted?

Boosted H3 BS is better than almost any rubbers I can think of and I'm not denying that. Cost performance though, it's not. For me g09c, for cost and performance as an amateur, makes much more sense. Forgiving, easier to use, respectable spin and speed.

Most players don't boost h3. It's a rubber that has different properties unboosted and some players like it.