WTT Finals Fukuoka 2024, 11/20-24

[John Birkin]

Big malaise affecting the Chinese top players right now. Perhaps the extensive WTT commitments are just too arduous for them. They just didn't want their season extended so long. Or is there some other explanation for their loss of form and motivation?

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

DHS players desperate for some Dignics

 

[NetProphet]

Big malaise affecting the Chinese top players right now. Perhaps the extensive WTT commitments are just too arduous for them. They just didn't want their season extended so long. Or is there some other explanation for their loss of form and motivation?

I don't see it as a Chinese Malaise really but more a case of the world catching up.
I didn't think there was a drop in quality across the matches so my feeling is it's just a tougher playing field.
Doubles being doubles is a different game so I'm not reading much into that.
The women sailed through, as usual.
And the men who lost were Chinas 5 and 6 respectively given that ML and FZD ain't here. Liang Jingkun and Lin Gaoyuan losing is nothing new and they lost to Darko and Harimoto so really no surprise.

Seeing that Felix is out along with Lun Yun-Ju shows that any drop in level is gonna be punished if the opponent is up for it and Duda and Dang have been dangerous opponents this season.
How the 1&2 in both men's and women's performs tomorrow will give a much better picture of where we are at.

 

[shmek]

You just cannot find this level of entertainment value from choppers anywhere in the world including China.

Yeah, I've seen them live in a Feeder in the Czech Republic a couple of months ago and they just were levels above. And at some point the event looked like chopping training grounds for the Chinese, because there must have been like five Chinese defenders. Man, I've never seen so many expedite matches in my life, including one starting at 3:3 game two, if I remember correctly. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but it was crazy early.

 

[kindof99]

It seems that CNT is cracking more from the inside. The way that these CNT members interact indicates that the team is not as united as before.

 

[dingyibvs]

Dude, Chinese people don't believe in fat-shaming.

Or put another way, they think fat-shaming is an excellent idea. All kinds of shaming are pretty much okay.

So please stop shame-shaming Zeio. It's offensive to his culture.

It actually is a culture thing. Many Chinese indeed don't believe in fat-shaming because to them there is no shame in being fat. My Chinese relatives are extremely careful in being polite but regularly comment on people's weight.

Due to the long and frequent histories of famines in China gaining weight is actually historically considered something to be proud of. If you've ever sat on a table with a Chinese person (or other Asians too) with his grandma, you'll see her stuffing his plate with an obscene amount of food, even if he's a fully grown obese adult with diabetes. Commenting to someone that they've lost weight is often a display of concern, and they're often followed by comments about how they need to work less, worry less, rest more, etc.

Here, @zeio is commenting on her weight as a matter of fact, it's a commentary on her athletic fitness. To consider it offensive because she's a woman suggests that a woman, or anyone really, should feel shameful due to something related to her appearance and weight, and that's both superficial and sexist.

 

[dingyibvs]

Ah Zeio. Why am I not surprised....
its just not really cool to comment about women's physical appearance and weight.
Its crass and classless, but you just do you.
As for the assertion that you are correct to do this and that western social problems could be solved if we all ignore proper manners and proper social decorum.....that's absolute £#&!@x!
Anyway, we move on...

Your comment is quite paternalistic and sexist. Nobody seems to take any issue with FZD being called "little fatty" or LJK being called "big fatty", but comment on SYS's love handles and that's a no-no? Does that mean women should care more about their appearance than men? That they should feel more shame about gaining weight than men? Is that what proper manners and social decorum is?

 

[Robin0910]

It actually is a culture thing. Many Chinese indeed don't believe in fat-shaming because to them there is no shame in being fat. My Chinese relatives are extremely careful in being polite but regularly comment on people's weight.

Due to the long and frequent histories of famines in China gaining weight is actually historically considered something to be proud of. If you've ever sat on a table with a Chinese person (or other Asians too) with his grandma, you'll see her stuffing his plate with an obscene amount of food, even if he's a fully grown obese adult with diabetes. Commenting to someone that they've lost weight is often a display of concern, and they're often followed by comments about how they need to work less, worry less, rest more, etc.

Here, @zeio is commenting on her weight as a matter of fact, it's a commentary on her athletic fitness. To consider it offensive because she's a woman suggests that a woman, or anyone really, should feel shameful due to something related to her appearance and weight, and that's both superficial and sexist.

Fat shaming is getting quite common in China due to the crazy skinny girl trends rising on Douyin and other social media. They obviously won’t tell you that you got fat in your face but they’ll insinuate it and talk behind their back. But commenting on being too slim especially for men is indeed rather concerning for them instead of being a compliment

 

[NetProphet]

Your comment is quite paternalistic and sexist.

No it's not

Nobody seems to take any issue with FZD being called "little fatty" or LJK being called "big fatty", but comment on SYS's love handles and that's a no-no?

I don't recall anyone calling FZD anything

Does that mean women should care more about their appearance than men? That they should feel more shame about gaining weight than men? Is that what proper manners and social decorum is?

You want me to answer these questions?
You dreamt them up so why not answer them yourself? I didn't say or imply any of the rubbish you've written there. Perception is an individual thing eh, maybe have a look at yourself in the mirror, metaphorically speaking of course, unless you want to misconstrue that also.
Go calling the female athletes fat if you want, I don't care how much of an idiot you make yourself look...

 

[dingyibvs]

Fat shaming is getting quite common in China due to the crazy skinny girl trends rising on Douyin and other social media. They obviously won’t tell you that you got fat in your face but they’ll insinuate it and talk behind their back. But commenting on being too slim especially for men is indeed rather concerning for them instead of being a compliment

That's certainly one thing @zeio and most Chinese probably wouldn't like to see being imported from the west

 

[dingyibvs]

No it's not

I don't recall anyone calling FZD anything

You want me to answer these questions?
You dreamt them up so why not answer them yourself? I didn't say or imply any of the rubbish you've written there. Perception is an individual thing eh, maybe have a look at yourself in the mirror, metaphorically speaking of course, unless you want to misconstrue that also.
Go calling the female athletes fat if you want, I don't care how much of an idiot you make yourself look...

Have you not heard Adam Bobrow calling FZD "little fatty"? He got that from CNT fans belovingly calling him by that nickname.

You should open your mind to cultural differences. There exists a world outside of your cocoon where being fat or skinny can just be a matter of fact and not a stigma.

 

[Robin0910]

Have you not heard Adam Bobrow calling FZD "little fatty"? He got that from CNT fans belovingly calling him by that nickname.

You should open your mind to cultural differences. There exists a world outside of your cocoon where being fat or skinny can just be a matter of fact and not a stigma.

Also, LJK’s nickname is 大胖 which literally means big fat

 

[NetProphet]

Have you not heard Adam Bobrow calling FZD "little fatty"? He got that from CNT fans belovingly calling him by that nickname.

You should open your mind to cultural differences. There exists a world outside of your cocoon where being fat or skinny can just be a matter of fact and not a stigma.

Right...
And because of Zeio calling the woman fat and commenting on her 'handles' I have a closed mind. Go back to sleep dude, you're contributing nothing here.
There's a difference between a nickname earned as a teenager and someone's own perspective of things in here, which is what I was calling out. Its Zeios opinion, not her nickname. And just cos some countries have crappy moral standards doesn't mean we all have to have them. Keep your shitty opinion to yourself is a good idea everywhere.
Or call people whatever you want and see how it works out. Go to China and call SYS fat and let me know how it goes?
Or why not go and study sociology and the development of male and female teenagers and tell me which are more succeptible to negative emotions and how that measures up against the pressures of society in China and the West?
No, better you and Zeio keep it all on the internet cos you know it flies in here without any consequence.
So in summary, I won't be lectured that it's fine to call female professional athletes fat just cos some male pubescent mind thinks its ok to.
Do it if you want, nobody here can stop you, but it's a little bit cowardly and shitty. End of.

 

[turbozed]

You just cannot find this level of entertainment value from choppers anywhere in the world including China.

Man that was some of the most entertaining doubles TT I've ever watched. Seemed like there was a highlight reel rally every other point.

These two really make a great team. Hashimoto seems to be the slightly more stable one on defense and set up Sato perfectly for offensive put-aways. But I came away most impressed by Sato's killer instinct and fearless attacks. She might've actually had more offensive put-aways in that match than either SYS or WYD. That's mind-boggling.

 

[dingyibvs]

Right...
And because of Zeio calling the woman fat and commenting on her 'handles' I have a closed mind. Go back to sleep dude, you're contributing nothing here.
There's a difference between a nickname earned as a teenager and someone's own perspective of things in here, which is what I was calling out. Its Zeios opinion, not her nickname. And just cos some countries have crappy moral standards doesn't mean we all have to have them. Keep your shitty opinion to yourself is a good idea everywhere.
Or call people whatever you want and see how it works out. Go to China and call SYS fat and let me know how it goes?
Or why not go and study sociology and the development of male and female teenagers and tell me which are more succeptible to negative emotions and how that measures up against the pressures of society in China and the West?
No, better you and Zeio keep it all on the internet cos you know it flies in here without any consequence.
So in summary, I won't be lectured that it's fine to call female professional athletes fat just cos some male pubescent mind thinks its ok to.
Do it if you want, nobody here can stop you, but it's a little bit cowardly and shitty. End of.

Oh I see, so you consider the Chinese culture to have crappy moral standards? Let it all out my man, don't hold that racist inner self back. Maybe your superior white compatriots can go invade them and colonize them for a few hundred years to civilized them.

 

[NetProphet]

Oh I see, so you consider the Chinese culture to have crappy moral standards? Let it all out my man, don't hold that racist inner self back.

Based on your assumption that its ok in china to throw such comments around then yes, that's a crappy moral standard. And saying that doesn't make me racist.
I think it's a crass comment, and the follow up was equally crass.
You think it's fine.
Ok then.
Back to the tournament

 

[dingyibvs]

Based on your assumption that its ok in china to throw such comments around then yes, that's a crappy moral standard. And saying that doesn't make me racist.
I think it's a crass comment, and the follow up was equally crass.
You think it's fine.
Ok then.
Back to the tournament

Fine, truce then, back to the tournament.

 

[PoppaChubby]

Do you think Poppa Chubby cares for that ?

And would you rather see a skinny black drummer in a church in Atlanta than a fat one ?

Culture... it sucks man ! but guess what ? Wokism sucks too.

When black dudes call themselves "hey look at that fat black ass pounding on those drums big time !!" do ya think it's wrong to them ? hell no, it's just... their culture. Actually most of the time they're enjoyin the moment !

But hey, I'm white, so i'm not going to say this kind of names, ya know the story: only jews can tell jews jokes, only blacks can name themselves with the N word. To each his own culture.

Fuck wokism.

 

[PoppaChubby]

Now if you ask me about zeio, yeah he's a douche most of the time, but that's not because he's chinese, it's just because he's a crappy human being like many other on this planet, you know the thing right: another sucka is born EVERYDAY.

 

[zeio]

Before anyone wastes my time on this non-issue further, Tibea users have already noted her weight gain in a recent interview with Xinhua. Knock yourself out.

孙颖莎的追光日常
http://www.news.cn/tech/20241118/f463657f4a264f0ca0a7580fcbcf9566/c.html

说巴黎粉丝大声加油给了孙颖莎压力导致她发挥不好的现在怎么洗？
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9275213589?pid=151247775284&cid=151248224158#151248224158
星辰昨夜风 她是不是胖了？
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端17楼2024-11-18 21:23收起回复
(Has she gotten fatter? [Has she gained weight? for the SJWs and censor the offensive word in your head hereafter])
小枫流水: 肚子都遮不住了
2024-11-18 21:27回复
(She can't even cover her belly)
皮卡丘比特1215: 应该是增肌了
2024-11-18 22:52回复
(Probably muscle gain)
星辰昨夜风: 回复 皮卡丘比特1215 :她的体格更适合减脂，她护台面积小要靠反应速度，体重上来了更跑不动
2024-11-18 22:58回复
(Her physique is more suitable for fat loss. She has a small reach and relies on reaction speed. She will not be able to run if her weight goes up)
芷若妹妹1019: 巴黎回来就感觉壮了，奥运会感觉还小小的，跑的挺快的
2024-11-18 23:41回复
I noticed she got stronger after coming back from Paris. She still looked petite during the Olympics and ran rather fast
轻罗小潸: 回复 芷若妹妹1019 :奥运之前就胖了，看出征仪式明显胖了一圈
2024-11-18 23:58回复
She had already gotten fatter before the Olympics, she was obviously fatter by a size at the departure ceremony