ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025, 4/14-20

[pongfugrasshopper]

TBH, it was fitting for CIC to win. She was the better player for most of the match. Hayata's footwork, anticipation, shot stability were just awful the 1st three games. Only reason it went to 7 is that Hayata is a fighter. I don't know. I think she needs a coaching change as she did not seem to be prepared at all for this match.

 

[turbozed]

Togami, if he figures table tennis out, the universe is in trouble.

The man has superhuman reflexes and athleticism. I can imagine him being one of the GOATs of multiball training. But yeah he needs to find a way to bring that sort of game consistently in his matches.

 

[turbozed]

TBH, it was fitting for CIC to win. She was the better player for most of the match. Hayata's footwork, anticipation, shot stability were just awful the 1st three games. Only reason it went to 7 is that Hayata is a fighter. I don't know. I think she needs a coaching change as she did not seem to be prepared at all for this match.

In the 2nd and 3rd game it looked like she forgot how to hit a FH. CIC kept challenging her there and they all kept missing the table. By the time she found it again in the 4th game, it was already too late.

Except it wasn't, because Hayata kept fighting as you said. The fact that Hayata needed a 4-0 reverse sweep against CIC and it almost happened at match point for her save for a missed 3rd ball putaway is a pretty impressive feat. Results aside, the woman is entertaining and you can't count her out at any deficit (unless against a top Chinese player of course).

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

yeah,
the HT retirement crowd, couldn't press the send button....
They will have to wait for another day

The HH retirement crowd is back in business

 

[ZFT]

The man has superhuman reflexes and athleticism. I can imagine him being one of the GOATs of multiball training. But yeah he needs to find a way to bring that sort of game consistently in his matches.

I can imagine him at the national training camp close to passing out from falkenberg and then he sneaks a look over at the Harimoto & Sora camps…

“Another full bucket please”

 

[zeio]

TBH, it was fitting for CIC to win. She was the better player for most of the match. Hayata's footwork, anticipation, shot stability were just awful the 1st three games. Only reason it went to 7 is that Hayata is a fighter. I don't know. I think she needs a coaching change as she did not seem to be prepared at all for this match.

No amount of coaching will help at this point. On the contrary, Hayata could extend her career only because of 岡雄介/OKA Yusuke. Hayata has always suffered from fluctuating form in the past, which has gotten more consistent in recent years but she still falls ill after strenuous matches. Coupled with her left arm that will never heal, a personal trainer is far more important than a personal coach.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-457839

SYS is not. They are from the same generation. This is more like Ito and SYS. But falling ill after WTTC 2024 tells me Hayata is also about to hit her limit like Ito did in 2019. Having a history of getting injured, she has gotten less injury-prone with the help of 岡雄介/OKA Yusuke?, but her dumbness can't be made up for with hard work.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-505940

Hayata's training hours have been cut back by 1 to 2 hours to 3.5 hours a day now and she can't do that many chiquitas so she has to choose when to use it. It was around mid-December that she started realizing she couldn't fully recover (couldn't do what she could not only in practice but also matches) and after losing 4 T.league matches in a row in late-December that she decided the old way of playing was no good going forward.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...mash-2025-30-jan-9-feb-2025.35615/post-507360

Though I'm afraid it is too late now. I've always said Smart Hayata is the way to go after WTTC 2022 but now she is only doing it out of fear of getting injured again (and ending her career for real). Her top gear is no longer there when she needs it and she will definitely need it against the CNT. But props to her personal trainer and current coach 岡雄介/OKA Yusuke for the real change.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...n-cup-2025-shenzhen-2-19-23.36119/post-509697

WS Grp5 M3
Hayata 2-3 CIC
...
Why does Harimoto lose so bad?
How much longer can her arm hold out even in Smart Hayata mode?

 

[zeio]

R16
Ito 4-1 Diaz
911
105?, 1010, 1210
119
13, 33, 34, 54 TO for Diaz, 74, 76, 86, 88, 118
96, 97, 107, 108, 118

R16
LSD 4-3 Kallberg (11, 5, -12, -9, -9, 7, 8)
G7 03, 13 Kallberg served into the net, 33, 45, 55, 56, 86, 88, 108 epic BH from LSD, 118

 

[Dr Evil]

Upset watch. Kallberg comes back from 0-2 to 2-2 vs LSD, now up 4-2 in game 5...

 

[Dr Evil]

Kallberg takes game 5, now up 3-2. Wang Hao looks displeased.

 

[Dr Evil]

LSD takes it 4-3, overcoming slow starts in games 6 and 7. Great match.

 

[zeio]

Made my day when the RTHK color commentator and former HKG player and current coach of the junior team, 劉耀祖/Lau Yiu Cho, referred to Kallberg (27, 1997/8/17) as 瑞典小將/Swedish youngster...

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

R16
Ito 4-1 Diaz
911
105?, 1010, 1210
119
13, 33, 34, 54 TO for Diaz, 74, 76, 86, 88, 118
96, 97, 107, 108, 118

R16
LSD 4-3 Kallberg (11, 5, -12, -9, -9, 7, 8)
G7 03, 13 Kallberg served into the net, 33, 45, 55, 56, 86, 88, 108 epic BH from LSD, 118

Retired Mima trashes Adriana

 

[fore.n.back]

The man has superhuman reflexes and athleticism. I can imagine him being one of the GOATs of multiball training. But yeah he needs to find a way to bring that sort of game consistently in his matches.

He lose a lot of points due to error in short touch and push, I hope the JNT staff can notice this and give him more training on this matter

 

[zeio]

Retired Mima trashes Adriana

This one was the closest after WTTC 2023 where the last 3 games were separated by 2 points only. It's getting harder for Ito to win. The outlook for the golden generation is getting grim.

 

[turbozed]

Retired Mima trashes Adriana

Thoroughly enjoyable match to watch. Some of those points were downright artistic with Diaz able to send back everything but Mima's most powerful smashes. Both girls demonstrated great feel for the ball and that led to some cool rallies with unothordox stuff mixed in.

There was a point somewhere in the 3rd game where Mima had to mix in two drop shots during a rally in order for her to finally get a hard shot past Diaz. At the end both were seemed to be smiling from just enjoying the style of play each was bringing out of the other. Always great to see the rare moments like this as a spectator.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Ito wins - its going to get harder for her to win
Hayata wins - its going to get harder for her to win
when they loose - the end is coming

I saw this on TTD when Ishikawa was playing, it went on for a few years.

 

[igorponger]

THE BATTLE OF CHEATERS
TTR reveals serve faults. Some luxury to my eyes.
Looks much like vexed contest between two cheaters. Heh.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

THE BATTLE OF CHEATERS
TTR reveals serve faults. Some luxury to my eyes.
Looks much like vexed contest between two cheaters. Heh.

we have witness how poor quality the umpiring has been over the years.
with technology, this problem can be fixed and quality can become world standards.

 

[JackJohnson]

Anyone notice the Japanese women players always check the opponents rubbers even if they are not using pips. I don’t see the mens side do this at all.

 

[zeio]

What were they saying?

Took me a while to get to this... I had a hunch one of her parents or grand parents is from HKG last year when I saw her last name.

LIVE! | T2 | Group Stage Day 2 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025 | Session 2 (F)
https://youtu.be/6EuzDHs8pbU?t=9473
After G1
Coach: 非常好，非常好 (Very good, very good)
Jocelyn: 我唔知發咩球呀 (I don't know what to serve)
Coach: 如果你唔知發咩球呢，你就 *inaudible* 邊一個 *inaudible* 嘅，就發邊一個，因為你敢樣發得長，佢實會冚你㗎 (If you don't know what to serve, you just *inaudible* whichever *inaudible* one, just serve that one, because if you serve long like that, of course she will slap you)
Jocelyn: 總而知因為佢接得好 (not 100% certain) *inaudible* 我唔知道發咩球 (All in all, because she receives it well (not 100% certain) *inaudible* I don't know what to serve)
Coach: 所以如果敢樣呢 *inaudible* (So in that case *inaudible*)

https://youtu.be/6EuzDHs8pbU?t=9856
After G2
Coach: 非常好，非常好，very good...*inaudible* 正手 *inaudible* 開波嗰邊 *inaudible* 發到正手嘅時候，如果覺得好嘅就拉敢樣囉 *inaudible* 第二個呢，接發球，如果你睇到個好似中間偏左嘅 *inaudible* OK, 有上旋有下旋嘅，睇清楚，𡅅，OK? 加油呀! *Inaudible*, let's go! OK, come on, let's go!
(Very good, very good, very good... *inaudible* forehand *inaudible* serving to that side *inaudible* When you serve to forehand, if you feel confident, just loop it *inaudible* The second one, receiving, if you see what seems to lean left of the middle *inaudible* OK, there is topspin and backspin, look carefully, right, OK? Add oil! *Inaudible*, let's go! OK, come on, let's go!)

https://youtu.be/6EuzDHs8pbU?t=10272
After G3
Coach: See? 有五分喇! OK? Very good. (See? You got 5 points! OK? Very good.)
Jocelyn: 佢送俾我 (She gave them to me)
Coach: No, that's good, no problem (not 100% certain)
Jocelyn: 我發球……唔知發咩好，覺得，係囉 (I feel like I don't know what serves would be good to use...yeah)
Coach: 其實你嘅質量呢，你發咩都得 *inaudible* 質量 *inaudible* 即係你個質量 (Actually your (serve) quality, you can serve anything *Inaudible* quality *inaudible* that is, your quality)
Jocelyn: 響個發球上太心急呀 (I'm too impatient when serving)
Coach: 係，敢你 hold 住 second，hold 一 hold，跟住再開，咁樣 *inaudible* 定一定就得㗎喇，OK? 加油，五分，OK? (Yes, just hold a second, give it a hold, just *inaudible* to get a grip is enough, OK? Add oil, 5 points, OK?)
Jocelyn: 好 (Yes)
Coach: Let's go

Jocelyn got 6 points in the end.