Short review of Glayzer 09c

[Egon]

Your experience is very close to what a regular MX-P user encounters.

Interestingly, my disappointment in G09C was due to a different reason - losing tackiness after 2 months. My playstyle is about stable attacking via spin from mid-distance with moderate power, and the reduced tackiness instantly killed the enjoyment of G09C.

I wanted to switch from chinese rubber, which requires a booster and constantly changes its properties to something more stable, and with Glayzers I again returned to where I came from
I wonder if this situation is happening with the Dignics series?
Judging by how my friend's Tenergy 05 Hard behaves, this is also inherent in the Tenergy series.

 

[Angerer]

I wanted to switch from chinese rubber, which requires a booster and constantly changes its properties to something more stable, and with Glayzers I again returned to where I came from
I wonder if this situation is happening with the Dignics series?
Judging by how my friend's Tenergy 05 Hard behaves, this is also inherent in the Tenergy series.

G09C was also my first step in 2023 to move from away the chinese rubbers and the need to boost, he-he
Only to find out that I need to reboost European tensors/hybrids as well once they lose sponge liveliness or topsheet tackiness. Fair enough, only one layer of delicate boosting per 2-3 months is enough for me but still.

And yes, Dignics are way more durable than anything ESN produces. In my experience, the harder rubbers tend to last longer, and Dignics is a true champ of longevity, although I don't play it. I would even go so far as to say that the regular T05 is relatively durable when compared against ESN, and Japanese rubbers are durable in general. For me, the starkest contrast was G1 (Nittaku from ESN) and Z2 (Nittaku from the Japan). G1 becomes a worn mess in several months, while Z2 doesn't seem to care or deform (although it's brittle as T05 hence prone to damage).

 

[Egon]

G09C was also my first step in 2023 to move from away the chinese rubbers and the need to boost, he-he
Only to find out that I need to reboost European tensors/hybrids as well once they lose sponge liveliness or topsheet tackiness. Fair enough, only one layer of delicate boosting per 2-3 months is enough for me but still.

And yes, Dignics are way more durable than anything ESN produces. In my experience, the harder rubbers tend to last longer, and Dignics is a true champ of longevity, although I don't play it. I would even go so far as to say that the regular T05 is relatively durable when compared against ESN, and Japanese rubbers are durable in general. For me, the starkest contrast was G1 (Nittaku from ESN) and Z2 (Nittaku from the Japan). G1 becomes a worn mess in several months, while Z2 doesn't seem to care or deform (although it's brittle as T05 hence prone to damage).

Hammond z2 is probably a rubber for the backhand, but what are you currently playing with on the forehand?
By the way, I play also G1 on backhand. Should I switch to Hammond z2?

 

[Angerer]

Hammond z2 is probably a rubber for the backhand, but what are you currently playing with on the forehand?
By the way, I play also G1 on backhand. Should I switch to Hammond z2?

I use Z2 on the forehand--52 degrees is a bit too hard for my backhand, at least on my level. And I keep switching between MX-P and Rasanter R45/C45 on the backhand.

I would not recommend changing G1 unless you deliberately want to finish points via backhand. It's less powerful/spinny but more forgiving.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Hi guys!

This is the first time I am buying Glayzer 09C. My sheet is not sticky at all. I tried to lift a ping-pong ball like how I use to do with Hurricane 3 or Battle 2 in the old days but this sheet of Glayzer 09C cannot lift the ball at all. Is this normal? What I am saying is that the sheet of G09C is not sticky at all and feels just like a regular grippy European type rubber. Pls help.

 

[banbekas]

Hi guys!

This is the first time I am buying Glayzer 09C. My sheet is not sticky at all. I tried to lift a ping-pong ball like how I use to do with Hurricane 3 or Battle 2 in the old days but this sheet of Glayzer 09C cannot lift the ball at all. Is this normal? What I am saying is that the sheet of G09C is not sticky at all and feels just like a regular grippy European type rubber. Pls help.

It's normal. Don't expect the stickiness of old H3 from D09C or G09C. Recent H3 is nowhere as tacky as older ver H3.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

It's normal. Don't expect the stickiness of old H3 from D09C or G09C. Recent H3 is nowhere as tacky as older ver H3.

My very old memory retains a Battle 2 sheet that can hold a TT ball up for nine seconds.So I am expecting G09C to hold for like 2 to 3 seconds. Wasn't expecting much to begin with but to completely unable to hold? This is a disappointment for me towards modern hybrid.

 

[banbekas]

My very old memory retains a Battle 2 sheet that can hold a TT ball up for nine seconds.So I am expecting G09C to hold for like 2 to 3 seconds. Wasn't expecting much to begin with but to completely unable to hold? This is a disappointment for me towards modern hybrid.

Battle 2 is like a classic chinese rubber - hard and sticky. Modern hybrid is called hybrid for a reason; it is never meant to be comparable to classic chinese rubber. Even H3 is no longer that tacky.

 

[Angerer]

My very old memory retains a Battle 2 sheet that can hold a TT ball up for nine seconds.So I am expecting G09C to hold for like 2 to 3 seconds. Wasn't expecting much to begin with but to completely unable to hold? This is a disappointment for me towards modern hybrid.

Personally, I consider "holding a ball for 9 seconds" a downside, so I would be happy
And yes, it is called a hybrid for a reason--it is a middle ground between a chinese sticky rubber and tensor. Furthermore, European/Japanese hybrids never held the ball for too long.
I would say G09C has an excellent grip with the amount of tackiness it has. My only problem with G09C is the loss of grip after that initial tack is worn.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Personally, I consider "holding a ball for 9 seconds" a downside, so I would be happy
And yes, it is called a hybrid for a reason--it is a middle ground between a chinese sticky rubber and tensor. Furthermore, European/Japanese hybrids never held the ball for too long.
I would say G09C has an excellent grip with the amount of tackiness it has. My only problem with G09C is the loss of grip after that initial tack is worn.

Friend, you did not read my earlier post... I was complaining there is no tack to begin with.

 

[Angerer]

Friend, you did not read my earlier post... I was complaining there is no tack to begin with.

It's hard to judge the "no tack" argument from people coming from vanilla H3--they have different standards in their "H3 sandbox"
Some think that if a ball lifts 10cm and falls (doesn't hold), then there is no tack. When effectively, the tack is present.

So doesn't your G09C even lift a ball a little? If no, then your batch is probably not a good one.

 

[IB66]

Friend, you did not read my earlier post... I was complaining there is no tack to begin with.

Hi Gozo, GO9C lacks any real tackiness, may lift a ball for a fraction of a second, D09C is similar. This isn’t just a Butterfly thing, many Hybrid rubbers do not have the tackiness levels of many Chinese style rubbers. The term ‘Hybrid’ has been expanded somewhat and how an ‘Original Hybrid‘ rubber was determined has been diluted.
I think an ‘original hybrid’ rubber was a tacky Chinese rubber on a Euro/Jap sponge. Simple to understand.
Now the description of ‘Hybrid’ is more open to interpretation!!!!

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Hi Gozo, GO9C lacks any real tackiness, may lift a ball for a fraction of a second, D09C is similar. This isn’t just a Butterfly thing, many Hybrid rubbers do not have the tackiness levels of many Chinese style rubbers. The term ‘Hybrid’ has been expanded somewhat and how an ‘Original Hybrid‘ rubber was determined has been diluted.
I think an ‘original hybrid’ rubber was a tacky Chinese rubber on a Euro/Jap sponge. Simple to understand.
Now the description of ‘Hybrid’ is more open to interpretation!!!!

I just got the G09C and have not played with yet. I found the lack of tack / sticky brings me to question, how is this difference from the traditional grippy Euro rubber? At this juncture, hybrid seems more like a marketing gimmick. I truly hope when I play with it later, I am proven wrong.

 

[Egon]

Hey guys! I tried playing G09C on my backhand on a fast blade with internal reinforcement and I really like it now. I also noticed that I started to like semi-sticky and sticky rubbers on my backhand now. It didn't work for me at all before, now something has changed. I can make very powerful topspins due to the fact that I don't hold back my movement like I used to do with fast non-sticky rubbers.

 

[jk1980]

i don't think Butterfly ever advertised the Glayzer series as hybrid, but rather as a controlled beginner friendly flavour of their brand of rubber.

For me a real hybrid is indeed a tacky topsheet with a sponge that helps in the short game by slowing things down, but accelerates the ball on active strokes, so you got the best of both worlds. Good short game and easy when playing away of the table. This combination is often enabled by a harder sponge that will not get activated on passive shots.

 

[banbekas]

I just got the G09C and have not played with yet. I found the lack of tack / sticky brings me to question, how is this difference from the traditional grippy Euro rubber? At this juncture, hybrid seems more like a marketing gimmick. I truly hope when I play with it later, I am proven wrong.

Just try it first. Who knows, maybe you'll swear by it after you give it time.

 

[Egon]

Regarding the stickiness of the G09C, it is slightly sticky (it lifts the ball slightly off the table) this stickiness cannot be compared with either the H3 or even the Rakza Z. This weak stickiness helps to hook the ball, while not reacting so strongly to incoming spin, so for me this is more of a plus than a minus. I also have a very old G09C, which is more than 3 years old. A friend gave it to me, it was not in a playing condition - very hard and completely without stickiness and grip, but vaseline oil on a sponge and topsheet does wonders 🙃 and this rubber can now be played with. There is no stickiness at all, but the grip is excellent. The other day, after a match, an opponent even came up to me to ask what I play on the backhand, since I easily and quickly attacked his strong underspin into my left corner. I also noticed that the G09C topsheet apparently consists of two layers. This is visible on the old rubber.

 

[latej]

I just got the G09C and have not played with yet. I found the lack of tack / sticky brings me to question, how is this difference from the traditional grippy Euro rubber? At this juncture, hybrid seems more like a marketing gimmick. I truly hope when I play with it later, I am proven wrong.

Example: there is still a signif. diff. between D09C and regular Glayzer - when you put a protective sheet, it stick much more strongly to D09C than to reg. Glayzer or ESN rubber like O7P... I bet it's the same for G09C...

And because we should edify each other ;-), I think you need serious reprimand now: just play with it ;-)

 

[IB66]

i don't think Butterfly ever advertised the Glayzer series as hybrid, but rather as a controlled beginner friendly flavour of their brand of rubber.

For me a real hybrid is indeed a tacky topsheet with a sponge that helps in the short game by slowing things down, but accelerates the ball on active strokes, so you got the best of both worlds. Good short game and easy when playing away of the table. This combination is often enabled by a harder sponge that will not get activated on passive shots.

That’s where the ‘Hybrid’ description is ‘loose’ these days. A sponge that helps in the short game would probably be a dense Chinese style sponge. Not a bouncy ‘Euro / Jap’ sponge. A harder Euro / Jap sponge helps as you say, but for me the tackiness level is the thing that ‘deadens’ the amount of bounce.
leave a protection sheet on (an older sheet of H3, pre tackiness reduction!!) and do a bounce rest, the ball bounces, not as much as a Euro / Jap, but it bounces. Take off the protection sheet and the ball bounces 2 or 3 times!!

nowadays sponge hardness, pimple pattern etc all get included in the ‘Hybrid’ description

 

[AdamH]

Read all the 14 exhausting pages.

People put way to much bs in their texts without adding context to the overall conversation and adding value to each other.

People who say they can't generate power a far bit from the table.

I play 5-ply allround on a 15 year old blade, mind 70g with double H3, mind red sponge (3-50) Soft extreme tack out of the box. Between 46-52g with added weight of glue and put a 2x or 3x layer boost you are at 100g. Yes, with more weight to the top.

Now I have lost 9-10 kg since I started again 5(6) months ago. I am at 64-65 kg. At 175 cm.

I am turning 41 this Sunday. Got back after 15 years not from a elit club with 2 prior breaks with 7-8 years in total i TT and was quite still working office job.

It suprises me how I can put power in from the table with either looping more upwards or go down lower or go mer tennis on the swing.

That is one point and my rubbers isn't even where G09c is.

I am not strong or heavy. I don't have the material or balance. Yet it works because I am where I need to be. I hit how I need to hit.

If it is stopped you go in.

Kopp said it aswell. If like the dominant OFF players here, stronger, taller. If you give me your power, spinn, speed I thank you.

The dynamic is that I get a shorter ranger in length and a higher arch. These shots you will recieve if given good you most likely have no experience in returning as good because it is unconventional.

I am a -ALL+ player. I came here because I have a hard time finding a lighter, thinner or arier BH rubber or even go from H3N because I miss a bit of tension(tensor) when I ballon or loop the ball 3-4 m from the table.

Building strength for a not normal sized person, size and strength people have no idea how it is.

People complain about ending it with G09c. Well if you have a slower more dampened rubber you can lift it a very nice angle to move the player on the long side and you win by placement.

OFF players only win when they get to dominate most don't play super comfort a bit further back when the full force comes in. As a ALL that got so slow stuff you learn to adapt. I could live going back and forth to the table and loop or ballon all day given enough space.

Another reason is the thickness. I only go through the rubber when I smash.

Just as Kopp said. Maybe try 1.9 instead of 2.1.

Takes time to build muscle but emphasis on what PRO level demands or people who are long that play a bit over the net and reach isn't a given for most.

I win so many shitty points due to the fact that longer and or heavier players rather reach than step forward and play faster blades and BF rubbers or rubbers that demand to great where thet lose because if it wasn't the case you would be pro. Mind the points you lose. People stagnant because they reached their limit.

Need to keep working or you won't get better. Compromise is needed. Some weird emphasis on intermediate level here, it is weird.

I play significant worse with each 10g added on my BH due to my slower movement.

So I have been eyeing, testing G09c, 09, D09c. Most on inner, faster blades. I am not a fan of the BF feel, however the BF 19 and 80 was not as hard surface of what I testade last week comparted to the D09c.

I can't stand the 64, 05, fx or not. I like vibrations not mute feeling. Hatder sponges I don't generate the force and want to bottom out.

Rakza 7 Soft is to Soft and bouncey. X Soft I think it might be too fast. 7 medium might be ok but if R series is still bouncey or has its slip/dead.

Tried 7 m on a hard wood Stiga. Looks like it still jumps.

Tried Dragon Grip 55 first when I got back. Same as BF. Sponge so compact. Some might like not bottom out some wants to.

The idea to go thinner is or could be a solution if the option is available.

I do agree with another guy here. My H3N lasts 1 month because the 3-50 compared to 'more quality' H3N loses its tack. The softness doesn't have enough traction as to oppose to non chinease. Also reboosted does feel different.

Change 1 rubber month sure but 2 no. But either you last atleast 2 on a more quality H3N or you switch and rely more on tensor to grab the ball than the stickyness.

I buy the sticky plastic cover v3. Use only that with a slight breathing. Still.

Notice the weight goes up per gram a bit on the other H3N. I don't know the composition but it seems the tension from out of the production even with harder sponge non boosted grabs the ball more even if it is a bit mute.

People with body and arm strength that drive through the ball more with added kgs behind don't get the same shitty feedback I do. Have a mate who plays harder H3N and faster blade and get deep.

I would kill for a less mm on a Hurricane than 2.1 / 2.15.

Because of my weak backhand.

15 years ago I played on a total weight of 142-144g with 2x Donics, F3 Formula Quattro.

However I have heard from a guy that bought every copy in one blue series they lose alot of traction in 2 weeks.

I am done with Stiga alltogether. It is to fast, straight hitting punching over the table much like many BF rubbers mentioned.

I play almost every day or each other day.

Rozena conversation here is also interesting. Have a girl in my club who has it on a Stiga OFF Classic. She has a killer wrist and punch, flick plays with short strokes close to table.

It is bouncey asf.

Mentioning MX-P, G1 is also interesting in how fast people like to play and talk in a comfortable manner and I am like. You are then not pro.

I got a Yinhe T11s (2x carb, 7 layer, balsa) at 69g with 3x boosted H3 3-50 37. Played tournament the other day with it.

I get the appeal everything from blocks far out to adding pressure. Could basically just push a little.

But you don't win where it is comfortable to develop and I think this here divides people.

Most people want or need the feel to be dominant until they meet someone better dominant and loses.

These are the same people in these forums that try and dictate. But if you are not PRO or have achieved a linnear progression to high level in 2-3 years you need to humble a bit.

Having a win % at 51-54% isn't top tier. Even worse if you played for a long time.

I to is a bit frustrated with the lack of tack on Dignics09c or the Glayzer. People with good brushing skills kills it with a good tensor serv compared to tack because tack might grab but doesn't kick the ball as tensor does.

Problem going back to Donic. Tried worned out Acuda S2 is the softness. Afraid as to the R series they bottom out to quick even if Donic in older revamped series is a bit slower than competing brands.

I liked to slice smash, think like a strawberry smash but with R7 it doesn't condone slice but chopping atleast not on Max to much spring.

Tried Mantra Pro M but same as other Stiga and BF to dense sponge could not penetrate to active it fully. No need for that thickness or weight if I don't utilise it or like just playing with the sponge and not blade.

K3 Hybrid seemed nice but at every turn it is the same it wears out, bad quality.

Dignics09c is to hard surface and dampened sponge. The 05 even worse. Close team mate has it on a Viscaria. The margin for error is so smal with the force input.

Do what you will with this text but I wish for a more nuanced input.

Because G09c is one of the all that seems to be a better choice than my H3N right now. But the question is 1.9 or 2.1 mm.

Also Donic. Hard time seeing it is going to be easier to block or generate enough spring without it bottom out on incoming hits or me driving it on regular loop hard balls without curve or bottom out or to overcompensate in wrist turn.

Heard Vega is always mentioned. Also as mentioned X Soft just as said. If it has near spring effect in block or is on the faster side I won't keep up at the table.