WTT India? Best of luck to WTT...

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Oh, I forgot about the proposed suspension of TTFI by ITTF. No wonder not a word on TTFI from WTT.

Paddler Manika Batra's battles expose TTFI, but it remains a family enterprise
https://www.newindianexpress.com/sp...t-it-remains-a-family-enterprise-2542449.html

ITTF proposes suspension of TTFI
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/tabl...sion-of-ttfi-ioc-coa-news/article66157409.ece

In landmark TT ruling, Delhi HC appoints panel to fix "sorry state of affairs"
https://www.espn.com/olympics/table...lhi-hc-appoints-panel-fix-sorry-state-affairs

Manika Batra vs TTFI: Timeline of events after Delhi High Court suspends board
https://www.espn.in/olympics/tablet...i-line-events-delhi-high-court-suspends-board
 
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Oh, I forgot about the proposed suspension of TTFI by ITTF. No wonder not a word on TTFI from WTT.

Paddler Manika Batra's battles expose TTFI, but it remains a family enterprise
https://www.newindianexpress.com/sp...t-it-remains-a-family-enterprise-2542449.html

ITTF proposes suspension of TTFI
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/tabl...sion-of-ttfi-ioc-coa-news/article66157409.ece

In landmark TT ruling, Delhi HC appoints panel to fix "sorry state of affairs"
https://www.espn.com/olympics/table...lhi-hc-appoints-panel-fix-sorry-state-affairs

Manika Batra vs TTFI: Timeline of events after Delhi High Court suspends board
https://www.espn.in/olympics/tablet...i-line-events-delhi-high-court-suspends-board
and this is why I say all federation are terrible, there is not a single good one out there.

and it is lovely that India has UTT, a private company formed by billionaires to take the initiative to delivery growth in the sport, and since 2017, there is enough evidence of goodness.

your mind is preset and too corrupt to see what is WTT India (WTT+UTT) and you are stuck with bird pooping and TTFI. Were you get abused by birds and Indians when you were young or what? It doesn't make sense why you keep going against good news of billionaires growing the sport.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world, the coaches are begging for the rich to help out.
 
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Hijacking the thread, a bit intentionally, when I see the fighting ;-)

I'm visiting Trivandrum during 12.7. - 24.7., for the TUG2025 conference. Would love to visit some TT club there and have a hit, if possible. If you are from the area, and are interested, send me a PM.

India is the future!
 
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Hijacking the thread, a bit intentionally, when I see the fighting ;-)

I'm visiting Trivandrum during 12.7. - 24.7., for the TUG2025 conference. Would love to visit some TT club there and have a hit, if possible. If you are from the area, and are interested, send me a PM.

India is the future!
Since I know know over 50 Indian national players and coaches.
I will arrange a place for you to visit.
A place where there is no birds, monkeys, elephants and any form of animal life
 
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I'm visiting Trivandrum during 12.7. - 24.7., for the TUG2025 conference. Would love to visit some TT club there and have a hit, if possible. If you are from the area, and are interested, send me a PM.

India is the future!
Hope you have a nice stay, Trivandrum is a nice place.
If you haven't been before, do visit the beaches near it (Kovalam/Varkala/Shangumugham).

You might see some elephant poop on the roads though...
 
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No country is perfect. At the level of their GDP, China too was racked with similar problems. Even today, China is not perfect. I think emphasising news that essentially confirms your bias is not the right way to go about this, here's a lot of good news in what Indian TT is doing. Politics should be set aside tbh, let's focus on the games itself. I'm sure you don't like when the usual detractor on this platform does this same thing about your country. You don't need to stoop to their level.
Like I told you here and in another post that "got disappeared" how China being more organized than India back then, no. Don't take my word for it, listen to the late Lee Kuan Yew (beside his book), who had shared on multiple occasions his analysis of India's systemic problems that limit its potential. Decades later, most of his points still hold. As long as India doesn't get its act together, replacing China in table tennis will never be more than a pipe dream. They will have to settle with cricket and population.

For Third World Leaders: Hope or Despair?
https://youtu.be/pCEYJFpwydw?t=5227
1:29:31 the minister for civil aviation says no this is a family heirloom
1:29:38 minister was overruled the plan is gathering dust for the last

Paddler Manika Batra's battles expose TTFI, but it remains a family enterprise
https://www.newindianexpress.com/sp...t-it-remains-a-family-enterprise-2542449.html

LKY School 5th anniversary Q&A session with Mr Lee Kuan Yew
https://youtu.be/dYBAHLSN_lI?t=645
11:09 any Indian leader speaking in any
11:13 language at one time doesn't reach more than say 40% you speak in Hindi you might get the Hindi North you speak in
11:20 English you get the upper classes throughout the country maybe 30% you speak in Tamil you get 70
11:27 million in Tamil Nadu and t uh uh you speak in
11:34 malayam I don't know how many 40 million so that is an enormous uh
11:41 diversity which makes it difficult to get the same policies
11:47 through and you can see that after each election

UTT 2024 review: The hits, the misses and how it can get better
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/tabl...-retention-crowd-analysis/article68621788.ece
For starters, the same ad wasn’t propagated in the local language.
 
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Of all the Eurocentric nonsense I've seen you spew this is one of the most impressive. The NBA completely dwarfs the Euroleague in terms of ticket sales, revenue, merch sales, TV deals, viewership, attendance, you name it. Not even close. The Euroleague is also home to many washed NBA players or those Americans who never had a chance of making the NBA, which is what you say non-European TT leagues are. But sure, the "passion" for the Euroleague surpasses the NBA despite every number saying the NBA wins by a landslide.

And for all the nonsense about relegation and promotion and player development, the Euroleague is consistently dominated by...guess what...wait for it... the clubs with the most money to throw at players. Shocker!

And what does it say about the French homegrown talent like Wemby and Gobert that they went to the NBA? That they are mercenaries taking big cash to play for teams that nobody cares about...oh wait, checks notes... teams that have 10x the average attendance at their games?
Who was the last american born MVP sir ? WHO WAS IT ?
2018 James Harden and since that it's mainly europeans with Jokic, Giannis, SGA and Embiid being canadian and cameroonian.

Who were the last first pick at the drafts ? 2023 Wemby and 2024 Risacher.... France

All the experts knows it: the rest of the world and specially Europe is getting "smarter" than the americans, with better IQ basketball, better fundamentals.

Remember what happened when a team of so-called G-League "stars" went in Spain to play vs a Liga ACB team that was only playing the EuroCup ?

And... you just fall into the same trap as Tony: money don't buy passion. Yes the NBA makes a gazillion of dollars, much more than the Euroleague... Remember what I said: europe is the home of team sports played EVERYWHERE on the planet, like football (the real one not the american one sir), rugby union, handball, volley-ball and another "false" team sport: cycling. Those are praticed and played all over the world, is there any american football world cup ? What's the baseball world cup ? who watch it ? you don't even have any proper men's volleyball league, I know it: your guys come to Europe to make a living... as your womens specially in Turkey. Remember where Breanna Stewart was playing when the WNBA was closed to make a living ? Fenerbahçe.

The atmosphere in your arenas is just... dull. I'm watching the FIFA Cup World Cup this month and when I see the atmospheres in the US stadiums... man it's a pity compared to european stadiums. By The way, the NBA still does not want to have a TRUE basketball club world cup, remember when the Spurs got beaten by Berlin in 2014 ? or the Lakers by the Real Madrid with Luka Doncic laughing in the arena ?

You want entertainment ? look how it's done

You want passion ? look how it's done

and this league is the one that makes more money in rugby union, because of promotion-relegation EVERY match counts ! and that system brings passion ! no tanking ! you stay or you die ! what's the use of having 82 games in regular season with load management so the kids can't see their idol playing like it's the norm now in the NBA ? with no promotion-relegation ? why do you think guys like Paul George or Embiid don't care anymore playing that much being so much destroyed by 82 games + play-offs ?


The european basket-ball is better with less games, fresh athletes and full roster at nearly every game ! and they have to deal with all the other sports competition !
 
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That's a comedy gold :D
India = 71st nation at the last Olympics... vs China 1st, or 2nd depending on how you count the medals (yeah I know it's a very sensible topic depending if you're chinese or american)

The TRUE way to judge a nation on how they do well or wrong with sports

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But hey, India has a gazillion of athletes in the top 1000, that's for sure. Only 3 in the top 100 and the better ranked is only 45th, less than the 3 aussies by the way

Tony, with all respect due to your epxertise in coaching, you keep saying BS here. The "old glories" of China, where do you think they'll play next season ? Lin Gaoyuan and Fan Zhendong I mean here...
Bundesliga 1, that old fashioned promotion-relegation european league? ho shit it's not your league of billionaires sorry
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But hey, India has a gazillion of athletes in the top 1000, that's for sure. Only 3 in the top 100 and the better ranked is only 45th, less than the 3 aussies by the way

Tony, with all respect due to your epxertise in coaching, you keep saying BS here. The "old glories" of China, where do you think they'll play next season ? Lin Gaoyuan and Fan Zhendong I mean here...
Bundesliga 1, that old fashioned promotion-relegation european league? ho shit it's not your league of billionaires sorry
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So from my eyes in a 2 week trip to India, equates BS? This is why I feel I am wasting my time talking with hobbiers - your recent thread has shown me how clueless you are in the pro space and how you judge or measure pros, and now here I am talking about future and I see India as a threat to our juniors and one day seniors.
You fallen into the same low as zeio talking non stop about history, while I am talking about the future.
if I want to talk history, you should rewatch how India's players taking out CNT and KNT players.

I think you are too naive to really even read what I said on where UTT money is going.
It isn't just a league for few stars to get rich, but rather, a whole grassroot program to the top, to international, the bringing the sport to more domestically and abroad.
the league is 3 weeks a year, while the other 49 weeks are mostly involving juniors

now you have rich people investing in the sports and you and zeio are moaning non stop -

you should just give your blessing, not righting off or show jealously on other people getting support, getting money? or you want Timo to earn peanuts, and everyone else to earn peanut? why when there is money, you think there is only greed and evil? I recall you talked about something about this before - so it does seem like it is your belief (i have no time like zeio to dig up your old messages).

Are you mad for me saying your thread is useless -

Even CNT players have respect for Indian players, you should show some too.
 
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Who was the last american born MVP sir ? WHO THE FCK WAS IT ?
2018 James Harden and since that it's mainly europeans with Jokic, Giannis, SGA and Embiid being canadian and cameroonian.

Who were the last first pick at the drafts ? 2023 Wemby and 2024 Risacher.... France

All the experts knows it: the rest of the world and specially Europe is getting "smarter" than the americans, with better IQ basketball, better fundamentals.

Remember what happened when a team of so-called G-League "stars" went in Spain to play vs a Liga ACB team that was only playing the EuroCup ?

And... you just fall into the same trap as Tony: money don't buy passion. Yes the NBA makes a gazillion of dollars, much more than the Euroleague... Remember what I said: europe is the home of team sports played EVERYWHERE on the planet, like football (the real one not the american one sir), rugby union, handball, volley-ball and another "false" team sport: cycling. Those are praticed and played all over the world, is there any american football world cup ? What's the baseball world cup ? who watch it ? you don't even have any proper men's volleyball league, I know it: your guys come to Europe to make a living... as your womens specially in Turkey. Remember where Breanna Stewart was playing when the WNBA was closed to make a living ? Fenerbahçe.

The atmosphere in your arenas is just... dull. I'm watching the FIFA Cup World Cup this month and when I see the atmospheres in the US stadiums... man it's a pity compared to european stadiums. By The way, the NBA still does not want to have a TRUE basketball club world cup, remember when the Spurs got beaten by Berlin in 2014 ? or the Lakers by the Real Madrid with Luka Doncic laughing in the arena ?

You want entertainment ? look how it's done

You want passion ? look how it's done

and this league is the one that makes more money in rugby union, because of promotion-relegation EVERY match counts ! and that system brings passion ! no tanking ! you stay or you die ! what's the use of having 82 games in regular season with load management so the kids can't see their idol playing like it's the norm now in the NBA ? with no promotion-relegation ? why do you think guys like Paul George or Embiid don't care anymore playing that much being so much destroyed by 82 games + play-offs ?


The european basket-ball is better with less games, fresh athletes and full roster at nearly every game ! and they have to deal with all the other sports competition !
Not going to waste too much energy with more of this stupidity since you were unable to answer a simple question: if there is so much more "passion" then why don't they show up to the games at even a fraction of the level that NBA fans do? Oh, because you cherry pick a few videos from Europe of the most important playoff games and their atmospheres and then compare them to Tuesday night regular season game in Utah as what represents the NBA.

If you think NBA high-leverage game atmospheres are dull you can just tell us that you don't know what you're talking about. But no need, you already showed us here:

By The way, the NBA still does not want to have a TRUE basketball club world cup, remember when the Spurs got beaten by Berlin in 2014 ? or the Lakers by the Real Madrid with Luka Doncic laughing in the arena ?
That wasn't against the Lakers, and the Mavericks, like most NBA teams usually do in these EXHIBITION games, sent up their minor league team, guys who can't even get minutes in the NBA or even make a regular season roster....while Real Madrid gave full minutes to their main team and still only barely won by 4 points.
 
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But hey, India has a gazillion of athletes in the top 1000, that's for sure. Only 3 in the top 100 and the better ranked is only 45th, less than the 3 aussies by the way

Tony, with all respect due to your epxertise in coaching, you keep saying BS here. The "old glories" of China, where do you think they'll play next season ? Lin Gaoyuan and Fan Zhendong I mean here...
Bundesliga 1, that old fashioned promotion-relegation european league? ho shit it's not your league of billionaires sorry
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By your logic, Lin Gaoyuan is a mercenary without respect for the sport since he is taking money from a less competitive league as he retires from the main competitive stage of his career. So artificial of the Bundesliga.
 
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Everyone look at these videos! Make sure to turn your sound down or you're going to be deafened by the PASSION and ENERGY and ATMOSPHERE!!! NOWHERE and I mean NOWHERE in the USA much less the WORLD could ever match such ENERGY and PASSION like this!!!
 
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What it takes for a nation to win a Grand Slam event in modern table tennis

It all start with Mao decreting in the early 50’s that table tennis would be China’s national sport. This marked a disrupting move as TT was played by amateur/tennis players in major events.

And as all those kind of decisions, it starts at… school. So China built the most efficient sport training system for youth. There was already a strong appeal for this sport in China and in 1959 with Jung Kuotan China knew they made the right decision.

The system delivered a generation later, as always, with Hsi Enting, Guo Yehua and Jiang Jialiang. For the women’s it’s been longer to develop, with Qiu Zhonghui being the first chinese world champion in 1961, but then it’s been a 10 years drought until 1971.

What am I using this example ?
1- it has to be a nation’s will, a government’s will, or a tyran’s will (like Mao was) now in the modern sport era to win
2- it always start with youth, and if possible at elementary school.

Billionaires don’t do that, sorry Tony, but they don’t. The UTT is like Bollywood transfered in Table Tennis, I mean… the last time I’ve played with so much lights effects and so on I had a…n electric bass and was playing professionaly to make a living.

I’ll take France, my country, as an example to show ya how it works.

For football you already know : the president Charles De Gaulle made the decision. It had to start with a national academy giving orders to decentralized academies all over the country.

For table tennis, the FFTT created the Premier Pas Pongiste in 1970, you can translate it as the TT First Step. Only for elementary schools and kindergarten (starting at 4). The goal was to tell the clubs all over the country they could organize an event for schools, with a bit of training before for the kids interested in it. There were local tournaments, then departemental tournaments for the winners, then regional, then… national ! In fact it quickly became the Youth French Nationals as kids like Gatien, Legoût and Lebrun won the PPP nationals. The system delivered in 1993 with Gatien. In 1991, the FFTT was a bit concerned cos’ only cllubs player were winning the titles, so the PPP was only opened for non-club players. There were already the academies named Sports Etudes at that time, now known as Pôles Espoir, academies so ! Same as the football system.

You also have to organize leagues, I mean… not only one for already top 100 pros, you have to organize a pyramidal system of leagues with promotions and relegations. In basket-ball for the USA, the AAU is the governing body for any kids. an amateur governing body by the way. Then they have to compete between themselves for high schools and colleges that have a basketball program. They don’t fight as amateur teams like Montpellier or Bruille did in table tennis to get to the pro A. and that’s the problem the NBA is now facing : no team fundamentals, athleticism and skills for sure, but a lack of IQ for team basketball science.

Bruille is a village, a tiny village, only 1500 inhabitants. They started low at departemal levels, then got pro, then amateur again being relegated, and now pro again ! How ? Not with billionnaires Tony, with the Coton family for sure (as the Lebrun’s one). They got here with a socialist system, the taxes you pay builds the sports heroes in france, not that bad considering France is only 80 millions populated, compared to the billion etc in India.

Why do you see « Lorient » printed on GV Hennebont nets ? Because the Lorient public administration known as Lorient Agglomération actually pays subsidies for GV Hennebont, it’s still the taxpayers so. What happens when a billionaire is fed up with the project ? He lefts the building, in chaos most of the time, that’s what happened to Jura Morez, the exception in french pro TT.

In handball, France was doing so-so in the 2nd world division in the 80’s, so how France became the n°1 nation in handball ? I’ve played handball at my elementary school in the 70’s/80’s see what I mean ? Same as football, same as TT, the french handball association built a new project based on youth first. The system delivered in 1995 with the first world title, and then others, and then Olympics titles, and so on. Men and Women, like China in TT, like the USA in basketball.

All those national associations/federations are getting their subsidies from the french government.. yeah the taxpayers, me included. Always the same : start young, organize leagues with promotions and relegations, organize events at schools.

In my high school in the 80’s there were 3 major events all year long : students vs teachers games in handball, basketball and football.

The teachers were mostly sport teachers, meaning they were not overweight, sport teachers here are people who couldn’t make it at in their sport at the pro level, that’s the only difference. You’re gonna tell « not fair, teens U16 vs adults ? Come on... » well… the last 2 years in that high school (been there 4 years) we saw something was changing in the french sports : handball my friends won 11-10 vs the teachers the 1st year, then.. I can’t remember but it was a butchery for the poor teachers, basket-ball… win again the last year, and football… don’t ask math teachers aged 40 to run like 15 years old students playing football after lunch EVERY DAY in the open air handball field right in the middle of the school ! It’s like basketball in the US, got a ball ? Football !

The last year it was something like 10-3 for the students…

This is how you win gold medals Tony, not with billionaires.


 
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This is how you win gold medals Tony, not with billionaires.
you stop China's billion dollars going into the TT system, its development, its resources, its support staff
I want to see how everyone plays and works for free
Every player to self fund everything, and still become grand slam in the future.

I want to see that.

you are naive to think money was not involved with the results today.
 
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2016, I was told by a senior coach in Taiwan (now head coach of the top team in Taiwan where LYJ, CIC plays for) that JNT put multimillions into 15 players to get Gold in Tokyo OG.
8 girls and 7 boys.
something like north of 300k or 500k USD per player per year.

This is on top of its already millions if not billions of investment into the Japanese TT system.

then outside of these 15 players, there are still other funding for other players.
never the less, I want to see how without money to players or to infrastructure can you get top players.

I spent many years in poor TT countries with no infrastructure.
You need money....
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Looking at bird poop or some bad history (which country doesn't have bird pooping and bad histories), one (probably back with racism) tend to see India with a bad light.

hopefully with this podcast by TTD, everyone can have a more understanding on what UTT is doing for the sport in India and beyond.
The Asian junior champ, UTT events, all have shown positive results.

 
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Soccer is the only sport in which Europe trumps America by a landslide. Look at the Fifa Club World cup and MLS compared to the Premier League and Eurocup as an example. Everything else is quite clearly US dominated.
 
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Soccer is the only sport in which Europe trumps America by a landslide. Look at the Fifa Club World cup and MLS compared to the Premier League and Eurocup as an example. Everything else is quite clearly US dominated.

Where does this come from? Are you replying to a specific post or account?
If not, what are you criteria? Have you looked at sports such as tennis, rugby, handball, judo, cycling, fencing, skiing, thriatlon, etc. (a few off the top of my head)?

This seems like a pretty random comment to make, and you should probably substantiate or contextualise it better, otherwise it will look like you're trying to pass a subjective argument as objective truth...
 
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Where does this come from? Are you replying to a specific post or account?
If not, what are you criteria? Have you looked at sports such as tennis, rugby, handball, judo, cycling, fencing, skiing, thriatlon, etc. (a few off the top of my head)?

This seems like a pretty random comment to make, and you should probably substantiate or contextualise it better, otherwise it will look like you're trying to pass a subjective argument as objective truth...
I was referring to what the western world would call the “Big 5” of sports (soccer, basketball, hockey, baseball, American Football). I should’ve made it more clear. It was based on the previous posts in this thread
 
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