Any news and info on Zhang Jike's New donic bluegrip j line?

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Is your coach really sure about that? When testing some setups recently I had issues getting spin in my loops with the heaviest setup. Even when playing regular drills. Fix: step back a bit.
There is simply a lower limit on how compact I can execute a proper loop given a certain setup weight (blade/rubber combination). If one needs a larger stroke than one has to step back a bit.
yes, true. but - is your footwork good enough? because with every step further from the table, your footwork is under more pressure. more steps, more distance to be covered, but yes, you do gain a little bit of time.
 
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yes, true. but - is your footwork good enough? because with every step further from the table, your footwork is under more pressure. more steps, more distance to be covered, but yes, you do gain a little bit of time.
This is exactly my problem. I‘m approaching the 60s and footwork is not (never was) good enough for mid distance play.
I‘m sure, I would have adapted to the rubbers, but they do not offer enough benefits. It was an experiment which didn‘t work out. Nothing to worry about for too long ;)
 
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yes, true. but - is your footwork good enough? because with every step further from the table, your footwork is under more pressure. more steps, more distance to be covered, but yes, you do gain a little bit of time.

That's the optimization problem...
Everyone has limits: compactness of stroke/minimal time to execute a proper stroke, minimal time to cover distance x left/right, minimal time to cover distance y forward/backward (usually not equally fast) and so on.
In this case the change is usually (from what I've experienced) not that large like switching from a close to the table style to mid distance but larger than e.g. adapting to some table/ball combinations. Maybe half a foot, maybe one foot can be enough.
 
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I have now used the Bluegrip J1 in competition as well, plus 3-4 weeks of training (summer training so 6-8 hours a week) with it before the tournament.
It is a rubber that really suits my style, but I think it won't suit majority of styles.

To give more context, I am a left-hander attacker who relies heavily on a good and deceptive service and third ball attack, I like the short game and as soon as the game opens up I look to end it. On open game I can variate with the backhand, the forehand will only hit strong topspins, and if the other player manages to attack before me will be used almost exclusively for countering.

I use it on a DHS Long 5 (commercial version).
I will share my experience with it in competition, comparing it with a K3.
Disclaimer: I did not boost it, and I have a very strong sensation that this rubber is made for boosting.

- The rubber is and feels hard, much harder than the K3 I was using before; it also has much less catapult and it's more difficult to engage the sponge; it is more direct. Halfway between a K3 and a chinese boosted rubber I think (it is not as sticky as chinese rubbers tho).

- It shines in service and receive, where it has tons of spin and control for me.

- It has tons of spin in topspin game too, a bit more than K3.

- On opening topspins on backspin balls it needs good legs and precise technique with well used legs and body, it is much less forgiving than a K3, and on any gear from 1 to 5 it is harder to activate it. On gear 6 (so a 95 - 100% all-out forehand) I think it is faster and harder to block for the opponent.

- It needs a very fast arm and wrist, if you doubt your shot or are out of place it will feel like a brick wall.

- It really shines on counters too
, be it on the table with a short movement or in positions 2 and 3 (medium distance and far distance) I felt like I couldn't go wrong with it. It has less exit than K3 (that I also really liked for countering) but if I hit it well I felt like I could ignore the opponent's spin and override it with mine.

I played with it in a round-robin tournament in England where I was the best of 9 players.
Of the other 8 players, 2 were closer to my level (right-handed attackers both of them), while the other 6 were on a considerably lower level.

1st match I didn't really try the rubber as the gap in level was too big with the opponent.

2nd match I played against a classic defender with long pimple (with sponge) on backhand. Defenders are my favorite style to play against and his level is considerably lower than mine. I lost the first two sets as I had a hard time adjusting to how hard the rubber felt trying a first strong topspin against a backspin ball, even having trained with it for three weeks, because my arm was not relaxed enough for it. Then I won the next three sets comfortably, adjusting and changing the game by moving him around and not trying to crush the ball anymore.

From the 3rd match I gained confidence, I was up against a right-handed attacker closer to my level and I started playing well and it lasted for the rest of the group, the j1 on my forehand remains very demanding on technique and legs but it was also very rewarding once the arm was relaxed and I committed to every forehand with my legs too.

Final disclaimer: I will keep on using J1 on the forehand, but I would not use it if I wasn't able to have good training sessions for at least 4 times a week starting from September.
 
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I have a very strong sensation that this rubber is made for boosting.
I share this sentiment. I was surprised at how dead it felt when not giving it the beans, in this aspect it performs amazing in passive control but requires a lot of energy to activate. The performance, especially the spin capacity and arc flight when you do hit through the sponge is still very good, spin and arc threatening quality better than A1 and C2, though I did find it overall slower than A1 and more difficult to use than C2. I am still testing it unboosted but even ZJK himself says it's best used with 2 thin layers of booster
 
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I have now used the Bluegrip J1 in competition as well, plus 3-4 weeks of training (summer training so 6-8 hours a week) with it before the tournament.
It is a rubber that really suits my style, but I think it won't suit majority of styles.

To give more context, I am a left-hander attacker who relies heavily on a good and deceptive service and third ball attack, I like the short game and as soon as the game opens up I look to end it. On open game I can variate with the backhand, the forehand will only hit strong topspins, and if the other player manages to attack before me will be used almost exclusively for countering.

I use it on a DHS Long 5 (commercial version).
I will share my experience with it in competition, comparing it with a K3.
Disclaimer: I did not boost it, and I have a very strong sensation that this rubber is made for boosting.

- The rubber is and feels hard, much harder than the K3 I was using before; it also has much less catapult and it's more difficult to engage the sponge; it is more direct. Halfway between a K3 and a chinese boosted rubber I think (it is not as sticky as chinese rubbers tho).

- It shines in service and receive, where it has tons of spin and control for me.

- It has tons of spin in topspin game too, a bit more than K3.

- On opening topspins on backspin balls it needs good legs and precise technique with well used legs and body, it is much less forgiving than a K3, and on any gear from 1 to 5 it is harder to activate it. On gear 6 (so a 95 - 100% all-out forehand) I think it is faster and harder to block for the opponent.

- It needs a very fast arm and wrist, if you doubt your shot or are out of place it will feel like a brick wall.

- It really shines on counters too
, be it on the table with a short movement or in positions 2 and 3 (medium distance and far distance) I felt like I couldn't go wrong with it. It has less exit than K3 (that I also really liked for countering) but if I hit it well I felt like I could ignore the opponent's spin and override it with mine.

I played with it in a round-robin tournament in England where I was the best of 9 players.
Of the other 8 players, 2 were closer to my level (right-handed attackers both of them), while the other 6 were on a considerably lower level.

1st match I didn't really try the rubber as the gap in level was too big with the opponent.

2nd match I played against a classic defender with long pimple (with sponge) on backhand. Defenders are my favorite style to play against and his level is considerably lower than mine. I lost the first two sets as I had a hard time adjusting to how hard the rubber felt trying a first strong topspin against a backspin ball, even having trained with it for three weeks, because my arm was not relaxed enough for it. Then I won the next three sets comfortably, adjusting and changing the game by moving him around and not trying to crush the ball anymore.

From the 3rd match I gained confidence, I was up against a right-handed attacker closer to my level and I started playing well and it lasted for the rest of the group, the j1 on my forehand remains very demanding on technique and legs but it was also very rewarding once the arm was relaxed and I committed to every forehand with my legs too.

Final disclaimer: I will keep on using J1 on the forehand, but I would not use it if I wasn't able to have good training sessions for at least 4 times a week starting from September.
What about durability, can compare it for league competition? It can last about 3 months with good performance or is like c55 wich for me last only 2months ? Can u compare it to h3 boosted?
 
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What about durability, can compare it for league competition? It can last about 3 months with good performance or is like c55 wich for me last only 2months ? Can u compare it to h3 boosted?
I have not reached one month yet and it's the month I play less, I would say 20-25 hours of training total plus the competition I wrote about with 8 matches. It's still as good as new for now.
I have never used h3 boosted and I can only honestly compare it with rubbers I used on the same blade - that is Tibhar hybrid mk pro max and K3 max. I have compared it to K3 as it is more or less the same kind of rubber, the MK pro I used for an year since I came back to serious training, but as my regularity and technique came back to the level I was used to it started feeling soft, that's why I passed to K3 and now I've landed on what's probably the one I'll stay on.
I will keep you updated as to when the rubber starts dying out on me.
 
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Just wanted to know if anyone had tried the new Donic bluegrip j series( J1, J2 and J3)
Yes I have tried J1 max and boosted with Haifu national (black) two times, and finezip100 2 layers, on Donic ZJ original carbon 85g FL. J1 max is very nice on FH, a bit sticky, crispy sound, fast, spinny, good in short play, serve/receive and counter, a bit tricky for smash, and on BH, I think it is for advanced players (too fast). On BH, it is too fast, blocks are also a bit tricky, but short game is easy. I have excellent BH with dignics D05 or T05, fast and spinny cause the arc is high, but the arc of J1 is more like D80. Hardness feeling is like Andro J&H 57.5 and 55. Maybe closer to 57.5, but I do not feel it is very hard. the top sheet is thin, but the sponge is thick. So it feels relatively soft. However, the weight is 55g (with boosterx2 and glue x2). J2 max red is about 51g with free chack II x1. I did not try J2, I assembled today. But maybe J2 on BH might solve my issues. I did not boost it, and I use 1 layer of glue. I expect to be less fast, same grip/spin, and good in serve/receive short game, spinny opening and better in block. I will report later. Usually, I play with Amultart + T05 2.1 both sides. I played also with Viscaria and viscaria super ALC. I tried inner blades, but I do not have a good feeling. So Donic original carbon has same frequency as Tibhar Alexis Lebrun Krypton carbon, which is outer. I think it is very closed but weight is 85g for donic, and 89g for tibhar. It matters when pairing with rubbers of 55 hardness cause they are really heavy (> 52g). Roughly, a 57.5 hardness weights about 55g, and 55 hardness is 53g, and 52.2g is about 51g. It is strange because previous hardness 51 rubbers (cornilleau X51, ...) are all about 51g. Tibhar K3 is 53 hardness but K3 pro is 55 hardness. Compared to K3 pro, donic J series feel soft. But maybe it feels soft due to 2x booster and 2x thick glue.
 
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So i tried the J1 today on a mate's paddle.

What is the sponge thickness. It looked really thick like 2.3 or 2.5. anyone know the actual thickness.

Apart from that, the rubber played really nicely. Great throw angle, good spin, speed, comfortable. The only thing is it feels 99% the same as dragon grip and other esn hybrids. I dont sense anything mew or different
 
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So i tried the J1 today on a mate's paddle.

What is the sponge thickness. It looked really thick like 2.3 or 2.5. anyone know the actual thickness.

Apart from that, the rubber played really nicely. Great throw angle, good spin, speed, comfortable. The only thing is it feels 99% the same as dragon grip and other esn hybrids. I dont sense anything mew or different
To me the J1 top sheet is much better than DG or other esn hybrids - just a more responsive feeling.
 
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Any update on the durability? Thanks
Hello! I have been using it for two months now quite consistently, August was less intense, but all September I've used it an average two hours a day plus some tournaments with a lot of matches.
It still holds up quite well! The slight stickiness is completely gone and you can see the pimples in the center where I hit the ball more often, but playing wise it has not changed that much and it has not lost most of its spin nor the serve and receive capabilities. I have cleaned it before and after every usage and protected it with the film that came with it in the package.
I will change it in a couple of weeks and I am absolutely satisfied with its' longevity!
 

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Hello! I have been using it for two months now quite consistently, August was less intense, but all September I've used it an average two hours a day plus some tournaments with a lot of matches.
It still holds up quite well! The slight stickiness is completely gone and you can see the pimples in the center where I hit the ball more often, but playing wise it has not changed that much and it has not lost most of its spin nor the serve and receive capabilities. I have cleaned it before and after every usage and protected it with the film that came with it in the package.
I will change it in a couple of weeks and I am absolutely satisfied with its' longevity!
Thank you so much. If it the properties have not changed, why consider changing rubbers? Just curious haha. Thanks!
 
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Thank you so much. If it the properties have not changed, why consider changing rubbers? Just curious haha. Thanks!
Well I feel it coming to the end of its life now and it's degrading faster. Mind that I have played around 100 hours with it, and while it is still playable, it's definitely not a new rubber anymore. My beef with K3 was that after 20-30 hours of play it lost the characteristics I liked most about it, while this one keeps them 4 times longer.

It depends on you and your style as well, my backhand rubber lasts me on average 1.5 times longer than my forehand rubber, as I mainly hit strong topspins and bombas with my forehand, while my backhand is more versatile.
 
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I have a sheet of this (and NUZN 55) to try out. Seems like boosting is recommended for the J1. Anyone with input one way or the other? I use 09C unboosted FWIW.
I'd be interested in how the NUZN and J1 compare.

NUZN and 09C are both better for me if I use 1 thin layer of booster when I first fit them. I don't reboost, so I suspect I am mostly speeding up the break-in process, rather than dramatically altering the performance.
 
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I'd be interested in how the NUZN and J1 compare.

NUZN and 09C are both better for me if I use 1 thin layer of booster when I first fit them. I don't reboost, so I suspect I am mostly speeding up the break-in process, rather than dramatically altering the performance.
Yes, I’ve heard great things about NUZN 55 and the J1 has seemed interesting too. Will update once I get a chance to try them.
 
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Tried the J1 on the BH side of my SDC W968 blade. It's not as tacky as I expected, way less than D09C even. It's just grippy. It can still generate good spin and power on the BH without having to boost. The sponge is porous but feels hard. It's a good rubber in general, but I think I'll just go back to H3N 40deg on my BH.
 
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