German league TTBL 2025-26

[Tyce]

Zeljko isn't Duda or even Ruiz, but FZD will be fine

Yeah the difference in level was very easy to notice this time.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes but third set was again like in previous match. I was afraid it will finish 2:3

who would have thought Bertelsmeier can hold it to 2 point games

 

[piligrim]

 

[NextLevel]

who would have thought Bertelsmeier can hold it to 2 point games

After last week???

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

After last week???

we all know FZD will fight back
even you said this:

Duda and Ruiz over Bertelsmeier and Zeljko any day for me (and I am a fan of Bertelsmeier).

So Bertelsmeier did pretty well

 

[NextLevel]

we all know FZD will fight back
even you said this:



So Bertelsmeier did pretty well

Duda beat FZD. This form isn't that different from last week to be honest. The result is just better.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Duda beat FZD. This form isn't that different from last week to be honest. The result is just better.

I didn't talk about form....
Duda is the strongest player of the 3 opponents of FZD here (even you said it yourself), so i'm not sure what you are trying to debate here

 

[NextLevel]

I didn't talk about form....
Duda is the strongest player of the 3 opponents of FZD here (even you said it yourself), so i'm not sure what you are trying to debate here

Bertelsmeier is on first German national team (Duda, Dang, Dima, Franziska, Bertelsmeier, Walther) . I would take him over Ruiz, though Ruiz has a quirkier game. My point here is that after FZD lost to Ruiz (and Duda), Bertelsmeier getting this result is hardly a surprise after last week. You may have your own opinion, but it isn't based on what happened last week.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I was talking to a German coach 2 days (arranging a sub for TTBL club) and he was saying the Bundesliga is just so competitive and that Asian players do need to take time to adapt and he was talking about FZD 2 losses, despite being favorites.

Here are the TTR rating of the 4 opponents.

Duda 2541
Ruiz 2470
Bertelsmeier 2480
Zeljko 2437

for interest sake, here is the whole registration, with some 17xx player....lol

SV Werder Bremen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2549	Gerassimenko, Kirill	A
1.2	2540	Falck, Mattias	eA
1.3	2457	Bertrand, Irvin	eA
1.4	2402	Aguirre, Marcelo	eA
1.5	1951	Tamas, Cristian	eA	RES

TTC Schwalbe Bergneustadt​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2541	Duda, Benedikt
1.2	2488	Rassenfosse, Adrien	eA
1.3	2470	Ruiz, Romain	eA
1.4	2436	de Nodrest, Leo	eA

BV Borussia Dortmund​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2571	Karlsson, Kristian	eA
1.2	2567	Lind, Anders	eA
1.3	2485	Nuytinck, Cedric	eA

Post SV Mühlhausen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2538	Freitas, Marcos	eA
1.2	2520	Mengel, Steffen
1.3	2507	Liao, Cheng-Ting	A
1.4	2504	Ionescu, Ovidiu	eA
1.5	2492	Stumper, Kay

TTC Zugbrücke Grenzau​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2543	Feng, Yi-Hsin	A
1.2	2446	Kubik, Maciej	eA
1.3	2459	Allegro, Martin	eA
1.4	2412	Mladenovic, Luka	eA

ASC Grünwettersbach​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2583	Shinozuka, Hiroto	A
1.2	2513	Walther, Ricardo
1.3	2516	Apolonia, Tiago	eA

Borussia Düsseldorf​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2623	Qiu, Dang
1.2	2618	Källberg, Anton	eA
1.3	2528	Jha, Kanak
1.4	2510	Li, Yongyin	A

1. FC Saarbrücken-TT​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2782	Fan, Zhendong	A
1.2	2584	Franziska, Patrick
1.3	2545	Jorgic, Darko	eA

TSV Bad Königshofen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2541	Ueda, Jin	A
1.2	2488	Steger, Bastian
1.3	2480	Bertelsmeier, Andre
1.4	2464	Habesohn, Daniel	eA
1.5	2437	Zeljko, Filip	eA

TTC RhönSprudel Fulda-Maberzell​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2581	Ovtcharov, Dimitrij
1.2	2569	Kao, Cheng-Jui	A
1.3	2567	Groth, Jonathan	eA

TTC OE Clarity Telefonie-Systeme Bad Homburg e.V.​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2494	Andras, Csaba	eA
1.2	2432	Yokotani, Jo	A
1.3	2397	Ban, Ivor	eA

TTF Liebherr Ochsenhausen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2598	Togami, Shunsuke	A
1.2	2470	Chirita, Iulian	eA
1.3	2415	Levenko, Andreas	eA
1.4	2391	Abiodun, Tiago	eA	SBE
1.5	2379	Iizuka Kenzo, Leonardo	A
1.6	1798	Pugna, Bogdan	eA	RES

 

[NextLevel]

I was talking to a German coach 2 days (arranging a sub for TTBL club) and he was saying the Bundesliga is just so competitive and that Asian players do need to take time to adapt and he was talking about FZD 2 losses, despite being favorites.

Here are the TTR rating of the 4 opponents.

Duda 2541
Ruiz 2470
Bertelsmeier 2480
Zeljko 2437

for interest sake, here is the whole registration, with some 17xx player....lol

SV Werder Bremen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2549	Gerassimenko, Kirill	A
1.2	2540	Falck, Mattias	eA
1.3	2457	Bertrand, Irvin	eA
1.4	2402	Aguirre, Marcelo	eA
1.5	1951	Tamas, Cristian	eA	RES

TTC Schwalbe Bergneustadt​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2541	Duda, Benedikt
1.2	2488	Rassenfosse, Adrien	eA
1.3	2470	Ruiz, Romain	eA
1.4	2436	de Nodrest, Leo	eA

BV Borussia Dortmund​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2571	Karlsson, Kristian	eA
1.2	2567	Lind, Anders	eA
1.3	2485	Nuytinck, Cedric	eA

Post SV Mühlhausen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2538	Freitas, Marcos	eA
1.2	2520	Mengel, Steffen
1.3	2507	Liao, Cheng-Ting	A
1.4	2504	Ionescu, Ovidiu	eA
1.5	2492	Stumper, Kay

TTC Zugbrücke Grenzau​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2543	Feng, Yi-Hsin	A
1.2	2446	Kubik, Maciej	eA
1.3	2459	Allegro, Martin	eA
1.4	2412	Mladenovic, Luka	eA

ASC Grünwettersbach​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2583	Shinozuka, Hiroto	A
1.2	2513	Walther, Ricardo
1.3	2516	Apolonia, Tiago	eA

Borussia Düsseldorf​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2623	Qiu, Dang
1.2	2618	Källberg, Anton	eA
1.3	2528	Jha, Kanak
1.4	2510	Li, Yongyin	A

1. FC Saarbrücken-TT​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2782	Fan, Zhendong	A
1.2	2584	Franziska, Patrick
1.3	2545	Jorgic, Darko	eA

TSV Bad Königshofen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2541	Ueda, Jin	A
1.2	2488	Steger, Bastian
1.3	2480	Bertelsmeier, Andre
1.4	2464	Habesohn, Daniel	eA
1.5	2437	Zeljko, Filip	eA

TTC RhönSprudel Fulda-Maberzell​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2581	Ovtcharov, Dimitrij
1.2	2569	Kao, Cheng-Jui	A
1.3	2567	Groth, Jonathan	eA

TTC OE Clarity Telefonie-Systeme Bad Homburg e.V.​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2494	Andras, Csaba	eA
1.2	2432	Yokotani, Jo	A
1.3	2397	Ban, Ivor	eA

TTF Liebherr Ochsenhausen​

Rang	Q-TTR	Name	A	Status
1.1	2598	Togami, Shunsuke	A
1.2	2470	Chirita, Iulian	eA
1.3	2415	Levenko, Andreas	eA
1.4	2391	Abiodun, Tiago	eA	SBE
1.5	2379	Iizuka Kenzo, Leonardo	A
1.6	1798	Pugna, Bogdan	eA	RES

So Ruiz (2470) beat FZD, but Bertelsmeier (2480) takes 1 game and stays within 2 point margin in all games and we are supposed to be surprised right?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So Ruiz (2470) beat FZD, but Bertelsmeier (2480) takes 1 game and stays within 2 point margin in all games and we are supposed to be surprised right?

its just so tiring talking with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
unless you feel it is normal or not surprising for USATT2700 players to loose or have close matches with USATT2470/80 players. It doesn't mean loosing once, that downgrades the 2700 player to 2470 level.

It is clear FZD is not performing normally or to his reputation and 1st match was a huge shock to all.
He would fight back sooner or later, because he is just that good and CSL results has shown that he can still play despite being retired from the national team.

So what ever happened the first match day, is history and a ugly one for FZD, a debut he probably doesn't want to remember. Today is today. and today, I wasn't expecting FZD to continue to live on thin ice and other than a 2430 opponent, he is barely going past 2480 players and doing it by 2 points only.

So I'm not surprised by these 2470 / 2480, but I am surprised by FZD can't really rise to his par just as yet and maybe this adaption is really a discussion topic of merit and not just a loosing excuse.

Of course I did say previously that all these players will target him, since not many would have the opportunity to face an active grand slam winner in a match up. So there are both players factors in play, just making it less comfortable for FZD. Not to mention an away match and possibly the first time he is using Andro balls and tables.

So bravo for Bertelsmeier by keeping it all in 2 points today. He was near, but just couldn't pen a win over a grand slammer. I would expect FZD to adapt better and faster, never the less, this also shows you how tough the Bundesliga is and every team (except for a few) does have all star line ups that can all beat each other on a good day.

PS. Few months ago I talked about Pro A team roster is stronger than TTBL because the influx of CNT players (that didn't pitch at the end). I am truly wrong, as the TTBL line up are actually really strong this season

 

[NextLevel]

its just so tiring talking with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
unless you feel it is normal or not surprising for USATT2700 players to loose or have close matches with USATT2470/80 players. It doesn't mean loosing once, that downgrades the 2700 player to 2470 level.

It is clear FZD is not performing normally or to his reputation and 1st match was a huge shock to all.
He would fight back sooner or later, because he is just that good and CSL results has shown that he can still play despite being retired from the national team.

So what ever happened the first match day, is history and a ugly one for FZD, a debut he probably doesn't want to remember. Today is today. and today, I wasn't expecting FZD to continue to live on thin ice and other than a 2430 opponent, he is barely going past 2480 players and doing it by 2 points only.

So I'm not surprised by these 2470 / 2480, but I am surprised by FZD can't really rise to his par just as yet and maybe this adaption is really a discussion topic of merit and not just a loosing excuse.

Of course I did say previously that all these players will target him, since not many would have the opportunity to face an active grand slam winner in a match up. So there are both players factors in play, just making it less comfortable for FZD. Not to mention an away match and possibly the first time he is using Andro balls and tables.

So bravo for Bertelsmeier by keeping it all in 2 points today. He was near, but just couldn't pen a win over a grand slammer. I would expect FZD to adapt better and faster, never the less, this also shows you how tough the Bundesliga is and every team (except for a few) does have all star line ups that can all beat each other on a good day.

PS. Few months ago I talked about Pro A team roster is stronger than TTBL because the influx of CNT players (that didn't pitch at the end of the end). I am truly wrong, as the TTBL line up are actually really strong this season

I said after last week, nothing is surprising. I give up.

 

[Bollwerk]

who would have thought Bertelsmeier can hold it to 2 point games

It was really overdue for Andre to enter TTBL, he could've done so last year but there was the goal to move up with Köln i guess.

 

[TTTT]

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I have to say the German officials are very kind.
putting personal banners over official sponsors barriers should be against the rules.
even if there are no rules, it should be common etiquette

Order was restored before Fan's second match.

 

[stephan]

and i'm sure Bertelsmeier won't be happy with the result: he had two set points in the 3rd set to take the 2-1 lead and came back from 2-7 in the 4th with another set point he couldn't finish.

does anyone know if there is someone from his inner circle with Fan in Germany? because otherwise being "on your own" might have a bigger impact than i expected, on top of all the stuff that was already mentioned. i doubt he has played on andro tables with an andro ball more than a handful of times in his life.

 

[piligrim]

and i'm sure Bertelsmeier won't be happy with the result: he had two set points in the 3rd set to take the 2-1 lead and came back from 2-7 in the 4th with another set point he couldn't finish.

does anyone know if there is someone from his inner circle with Fan in Germany? because otherwise being "on your own" might have a bigger impact than i expected, on top of all the stuff that was already mentioned. i doubt he has played on andro tables with an andro ball more than a handful of times in his life.

Timo Boll count?

 

[piligrim]

Bertelsmeier looks like right handed Duda )))

 

[sebi]

The question ist why fan is struggling that much. He had 2 weeks training now and he was slapping people in the Chinese super league.

 

[NextLevel]

The question ist why fan is struggling that much. He had 2 weeks training now and he was slapping people in the Chinese super league.

We don't have enough information to answer that question - too many variables and we don't have any accounts of his experiences/struggles. After he has played a lot more and discussed his performance more, we will have a better answer.

 

[backspacer]

They will give you the matches on demand so you can watch when you are awake. They want your money, not your sleep lol.

There is too much table tennis. It's impossible to catch up and if I can't see something live I won't watch it later.