ITTF-ATTU Asian Teams Championships 2025, Bhubaneswar, 10/11-15

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Batra didn't give hand to Tan after the last match
How do you know this? Sometimes these things happen off camera, or they have logical reasons, yet for some reasons people look at the camera to make an issue of things like this...
 
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Best result for Singapore in a long time.
I wonder if India regrets not sending/playing the Suthirthas and/or Sreeja
I have spoken to coaches about these things and since Sreeja is the player by ranking, there must have been a good reason not to field her. While amateurs like to talk about rolling the dice etc., professional coaches know that internal team management must be seen as a meritocracy of sorts to command the respect and buy-in of the players and that any strategic deviations need strong justification to avoid alienating another player, especially when the deviation fails. The players themselves tend to know who their best options are based on results and internal practice. When a professional coach deviates from this, he had better have a good reason based in significant data to avoid accusations of bias and favoritism.
 
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Check at the end of the video (live stream), after the win of SGP, where the whole teams plus the coaches give the hand to each other!

Beside this, I don't blame anyone for anything I just state a fact I saw @ live-stream.

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My apologies - I suspect something happened during the match, I watched some of it but not all of it.

EDIT: As was explained - she had already shaken hands a minute earlier after the final result.
 
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Check at the end of the video (live stream), after the win of SGP, where the whole teams plus the coaches give the hand to each other!

Beside this, I don't blame anyone for anything I just state a fact I saw @ live-stream.

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The whole Indian team (including Batra) shook Tan's hand right after her match, no need to do so again 20 seconds later.

But you could perhaps take a second look rather than "just stating a fact" and maligning a player.
 
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The whole Indian team (including Batra) shook Tan's hand right after her match, no need to do so again a minute later.
An even simpler explanation lol. Awkward... I find handshaking after the match an interesting thing... but I guess it is our way of trying to say "it is just competition, let bygones be bygones".
 
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I have spoken to coaches about these things and since Sreeja is the player by ranking, there must have been a good reason not to field her. While amateurs like to talk about rolling the dice etc., professional coaches know that internal team management must be seen as a meritocracy of sorts to command the respect and buy-in of the players and that any strategic deviations need strong justification to avoid alienating another player, especially when the deviation fails. The players themselves tend to know who their best options are based on results and internal practice. When a professional coach deviates from this, he had better have a good reason based in significant data to avoid accusations of bias and favoritism.
This will be an interesting question to answer. Sreeja should have definitely played but I think the result would have remained the same. I hope she is not injured.
 
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this is well established, and frustrating because they've done well most times they opted for surprise lineups

2008 Olympics vs HKG, upset 3rd seeds to enter bronze medal match
2012 Olympics, beat SGP to win Japan's first silver (and first ever TT Olympic medal)
2016 WTTC played Ito in first singles against GER and PRK which saved them from an out-of-form Fukuhara until finals, went back to Fukuhara for first singles against China and failed epicly.
2024 WTTC, Olympics and Asian Champs were all good performances against China with lineups that went against the pecking order.
WTTC 2014 is a particularly memorable year as Murakami said it was the runner-up finish that they have been able to protect their 2nd place since. So how? By fielding Ishigaki Yuka the chopper, after Fukuhara suffered a stress fracture in her toe right before the event. Ishigaki is still the last JNT chopper to have played in the final of WTTC in recent memories.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/return-of-international-tt-matches.23956/post-329999
From Table Tennis Japan on 2020/11/07:

Before WTTC 2014 Tokyo, the burden was to NOT LOSE before the final.
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In 2nd place behind China, it was because of this tournament that we were always able to protect it
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Ishigaki took a game off Ding Ning
2014 WTTTC (WT-Final/CHN-JPN/m1) DING Ning - ISHIGAKI Yuka [HD] [Full Match/Chinese]
https://youtu.be/iXWWz1BOT40?t=459
2014 WTTTC (WT-Final/CHN-JPN/m2) LI Xiaoxia - ISHIKAWA Kasumi [HD] [Full Match/Chinese]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ok0rgz6HU
2014 WTTTC (WT-Final/CHN-JPN/m3) LIU Shiwen - HIRANO Sayaka [HD] [Full Match/Chinese]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDuSX6uKPa8

Lee Ho Ching beat Ishigaki for the first and last time in their final encounter
2014 WTTTC (WT-SF) JAPAN Vs HONG KONG [HD] [Full Match/Chinese]
https://youtu.be/Bfr7Rba0hIQ?t=2805

Li Jiao beat Ishikawa and Hirano Sayaka and it came down to Ishigaki
's win over Li Jie, who is giving youngsters life lessons as of 2025.
2014 WTTC (WT-QF) JAPAN Vs NETHERLANDS [HD] [Full Match/Chinese]
https://youtu.be/M2bSd7jAiZ8?t=9058
 
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Tan has been very impressive. How old is she?

Gemini says 20. Coming out party for her.
For future reference.

1996/11/19 曾尖/ZENG Jian
2005/01/11 陈昭澐/TAN Zhao Yun
2006/05/01 舒麟茜/SER Lin Qian
2007/03/02 黎嬣萱/LAI Chloe
2010/10/26 黎明映/LOY Ming Ying
 
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Jing Junhong: TZY is gonna be our secret weapon next year.
Tan Zhao Yun vs Miu Hirano | Asian Table Tennis Championships 2024
https://youtu.be/m7aoyrVulww?t=922

ATTC 2024
WT QF
JPN 3-0 SGP
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE2994/results.html#/results/2024-10-08

Exactly a year later, Zeng Jian is still WR50.
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025_41_SEN_WS.html
50 Zeng Jian
166 Tan Zhao Yun
178 Loy Ming Ying
179 Ser Lin Qian
302 Lai Chloe

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...onships-2024-astana-10-7-13.34886/post-484011
 
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Hey, I thought none of the Indians were good against defense...

Seriously, I consider that a one match blip. Sreeja is not better than Kim.
Hayata has a history of under-performing in tropical climates, which she admitted ahead of SGP GS 2025. More severe if losses in subtropical climate is included.

2025 ATTTC Bhubaneswar - India, WT QF 2-3 KKY (for reference again)

2025 WTT CT Lagos - Nigeria, R32 0-3 Akula
2025 WTT SCT Chennai - India, R16 2-3 Hashimoto

2024 WTT CT Rio de Janeiro - Brazil, F 3-4 Nagasaki (for reference, whether or not she gave it away after holding multiple match points)

2024 Singapore Smash - Singapore, R64 0-3 Hirano (fever after WTTC 2024)
2023 Singapore Smash - Singapore, R32 2-3 Suthasini Sawettabut
2023 WTT SCT Goa - India, R32 1-3 CIC (for reference, SF Hirano 2-0 -> 2-3 CIC)
2022 Asian Cup Bangkok - Thailand, 3rd-4th 2-4 Batra (QF 4-3 DHK, R16 4-3 Zeng Jian)

2022 Singapore Smash 2022 - Singapore, QF 0-3 SYS (R64 3-2 De Nutte)
 
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Scheduled matches:
All times are local time.
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Tue 14 Oct 2025
10:00 T1 WT SF Match2 Republic of Korea - China
10:00 T2 MT Pos. 5-8 Match2 India - DPR Korea
10:00 T3 MT Pos. 5-8 Match1 Republic of Korea - Islamic Rep. of Iran
10:00 T4 MT Pos. 17-18 Match1 Macau, China - Kyrgyzstan
12:30 T1 WT SF Match1 Japan - Singapore
12:30 T2 WT Pos. 5-8 Match1 DPR Korea - India
12:30 T3 WT Pos. 5-8 Match2 Hong Kong, China - Thailand
12:30 T4 WT Pos. 15-16 Match1 Uzbekistan - Mongolia
16:00 T1 MT SF Match2 Hong Kong, China - Chinese Taipei
16:00 T2 MT Pos. 5-6 Match1 India - Republic of Korea
16:00 T3 MT Pos. 7-8 Match1 DPR Korea - Islamic Rep. of Iran
16:00 T4 MT Pos. 12-13 Match1 Qatar - Malaysia
18:30 T1 MT SF Match1 China - Japan
18:30 T2 WT Pos. 5-6 Match1 DPR Korea -
18:30 T3 WT Pos. 7-8 Match1 India -
18:30 T4 WT Pos. 11-12 Match1 Sri Lanka - Islamic Rep. of Iran
 
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Tan Zhao Yun ... I knew that name sounded familiar. She has a pretty cool YouTube channel that came across my feed once. Here's one video where she shares her experience at the 2024 SEA Championships in Bangkok:

Oh, I completely forgot about this as well lol. Cute channel...

 
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China third singles
QF: Kuai Man
SF: Wang Yidi
F: ?

I suppose they picked Wang Yidi on the off chance Korea sent Shin Yubin for 3rd singles to 'catch' Kuai Man. China prepares for any possibility, something that can't be said for Japan...
 
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China third singles
QF: Kuai Man
SF: Wang Yidi
F: ?

I suppose they picked Wang Yidi on the off chance Korea sent Shin Yubin for 3rd singles to 'catch' Kuai Man. China prepares for any possibility, something that can't be said for Japan...
These statements are borne of the frustration of not winning vs any hard data that different team formations would have given very different results. China has been pretty much unbeatable for decades sometimes almost regardless of whoever played for China. Same with Japan, often doing well except like everyone else, when it faces China.
 
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These statements are borne of the frustration of not winning vs any hard data that different team formations would have given very different results. China has been pretty much unbeatable for decades sometimes almost regardless of whoever played for China. Same with Japan, often doing well except like everyone else, when it faces China.
Japan's record of questionable lineups/selections is there for all to see. Losing is ok, hurting your chances with a losing lineup or trying the same lineup over and over again expecting things to change is weird. As Zeio mentioned before, we're not the ones who are sad, it's Japan who should be sad for self-sabotaging. Even Chinese commentators couldn't figure out why Ishikawa was chosen over Hayata for 2019 World Team Cup when Japan kept claiming to want gold.

On the other hand, China picked Zhu Yuling over Liu Shiwen for third singles against Singapore in the 2014 WTTC semifinals. Their opponent was Isabelle Li who was ranked in the several hundreds, but they still benched Liu Shiwen in the odd chance that Singapore sent Yu Mengyu (who beat Liu Shiwen before) to third singles. That's how seriously they take all their opponents.

I'm sure Japan takes all their matches seriously, but their lineup against PKR is just another example of how they prioritise the books over practicality.
 
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Japan's record of questionable lineups/selections is there for all to see. Losing is ok, hurting your chances with a losing lineup or trying the same lineup over and over again expecting things to change is weird. As Zeio mentioned before, we're not the ones who are sad, it's Japan who should be sad for self-sabotaging. Even Chinese commentators couldn't figure out why Ishikawa was chosen over Hayata for 2019 World Team Cup when Japan kept claiming to want gold.

On the other hand, China picked Zhu Yuling over Liu Shiwen for third singles against Singapore in the 2014 WTTC semifinals. Their opponent was Isabelle Li who was ranked in the several hundreds, but they still benched Liu Shiwen in the odd chance that Singapore sent Yu Mengyu (who beat Liu Shiwen before) to third singles. That's how seriously they take all their opponents.

I'm sure Japan takes all their matches seriously, but their lineup against PKR is just another example of how they prioritise the books over practicality.
Again, have you spoken to coaches about the impact of subjective strategic choices on team selection? The players have worked hard all year to build a pecking order in a various ways. The coach's selection should reflect that order unless there are strong and obvious reasons to go away from it, because if the decision doesn't pay off, the damage to team cohesion can be significant. I have spoken to three different national coaches about this and gotten pretty much the same answer - if you play around with the choices, the players will often think you are playing favorites. The players tend to know who deserves to play based on their selection process results and health status. Deviating without winning is a recipe for accusations from unhappy players.

Moreover, people are often suggesting changes that they believe would win a game here or there. Whether they would actually win the match is often dubious - that is more up to the actual performance of the players. Even with the risk of losing, we saw Wang Yidi playing multiple matches as the Chinese #3 in multiple events because even the CNT have come to the conclusion that transparent meritocracies are important. China dominates more because of the quality of its players before anything else - pinning hopes on team selection is okay for fans, but does a disservice to the players.
 
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