german bundesliga

[KTableTennis]

i will send in a training video next week. i am also giving the letter to my parents to read next week so if they say yes to me moving to germany or sweden for a year in a few years then that will be very good

 

[piligrim]

Most of the players on the U15 team will not turn pro. Many of them will go to financially safer careers. Heck even players with real professional level talent often don't go truly pro - Nikhil Kumar and Sharon Alguetti come to mind.

Adar Alguetti played in Germany second or third league, don't remember

 

[NextLevel]

Adar Alguetti played in Germany second or third league, don't remember

Even Michael Tran played in Germany for a bit while Jorg Bitzigeio was making arrangements for people. I doubt Adar played in division 2 and suspect division 3 would be the max. But he isn't a pro right now and that is my main point. And he was a much stronger player at OP's age than OP is.

The best hope OP has to to have.a trajectory like Dubina or Chance or Pech. But miracles do happen. Let's see where it goes.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

No. there are many 2100 and 2200s on u15 usa team. few 2300s

You might want to check your stats again. Most in the USA U15 National Team are in the 2300s. Even the USA U13 National Team are around 2200. So you really have your work cut out for you.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

i just checked. there are 2100s

Many vs. few

USA U15 National Team:

Kef Noorani	2477​
Kyler Chen	2393​
Max Mouchinski	2246​
Jayden Cai	2358​
Chirag Pradhan	2349​
Carlough Francis	2280​
Sivaraam Velayutham	2322​
Lucas Wu	2358​
Austin Lo	2371​
Sayan Jafarali	2071​
Joshua Joseph	2178​

USA U13 National Team:

Chirag Pradhan	2349​
Jaden Jia	2310​
Andrew Huang	2415​
Xianliang He	2203​
Jacob Kordus	2261​
Tanish Mamidyala	2338​
Ethan Zhou	2282​
Thomas Sui	2169​
Allen Mao	2152​
Aarav Desai	2182​
Evan Dong	2227​

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

not very kind to say to a kid knowing that you are a grown man

and you are posting the same things over numerous threads, and that is against forum rules
some times you need to learn the hard truth, that you are too far away, and you need to change coaches immediately.
the real world is hard, where thousands are kids train more than you, and 99.9% of them never make it to the top.
if you can't handle my words and the truth, you will be part of the 99.9%

either you or your coach have been lying about him being a 2nd or 3rd division player in Germany, he is only a 5th division player according to Germany league records.

you at best, are probably be on track to play 6th division or lower, unless you start investing in a lot of money to have full time training tomorrow - and I said the same 4 months ago when you first asked - how many 4 months periods you have to waste?
if you haven't gotten to a good level by 16 or so, don't even bother wasting any more money and focus on running your very successful business (or is that also an inflated lie?).

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Many vs. few

USA U15 National Team:

Kef Noorani	2477​
Kyler Chen	2393​
Max Mouchinski	2246​
Jayden Cai	2358​
Chirag Pradhan	2349​
Carlough Francis	2280​
Sivaraam Velayutham	2322​
Lucas Wu	2358​
Austin Lo	2371​
Sayan Jafarali	2071​
Joshua Joseph	2178​

USA U13 National Team:

Chirag Pradhan	2349​
Jaden Jia	2310​
Andrew Huang	2415​
Xianliang He	2203​
Jacob Kordus	2261​
Tanish Mamidyala	2338​
Ethan Zhou	2282​
Thomas Sui	2169​
Allen Mao	2152​
Aarav Desai	2182​
Evan Dong	2227​

this kid is aiming at the bottom for his own peace of mind, while the top one will probably not get into top german clubs.

with his pathway, even reaching 2100 will be hard in the next year
obviously he thinks he is different and will surpass all these less hard working kids

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

TTD progress:
getting hard truth and a lot of blessings from TTD users

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/i-want-opinions-on-my-chances-of-pro.37662/

Show signs of his own planing, without guidance of expert coach
why can't he just ask his coach to arrange?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/i%E2%80%99m-thinking-about-training-in-germany.37687/

Then 2 weeks ago, he asks for the impossible. First thought was, why is he not asking his coach, then I realized in his July thread, he claim he was beating 2100 players left right and center and on course to get to the top.
but now in Nov, he is 1800 again, and wanting a 3 month plan to get to 2000.
the maths aint mathing.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/what-makes-someone-go-from-1800-to-2000-usatt.38294/

and then now, where is he asking for answers that was already in the first thread.
so simply he is either ignorant on the facts in the first thread, or he doesn't believe those facts as true.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

No. there are many 2100 and 2200s on u15 usa team. few 2300s

You really don't know what you are talking about. You frequently seem to present a lot of completely false information and I wonder where it is coming from?

"The junior team" refers to the top 3-4 players after all the National Ranking tournaments, who get to then represent the USA internationally. Sure there are other "team members" but those are basically runner-up awards if you are not in the top 4. This varies year to year but in general, the top 4 players at the U15 boys level will generally be anywhere from 2350 to 2600, but usually, in the 2450 to 2550 range. They will never be as low as 2100.

Anyways, none of this really matters if you read and listen to what @NextLevel said. I was being extremely generous by saying that you might have a shot at the U15 team, and again, even if you did, that is so far off your goals of playing in the Bundesliga or professionally anywhere.

Almost all of the top U15 players end up realizing they have no shot at making it as a pro even if they wanted to and had the money and resources to do it. And most don't have the money or resources to make trying even worth it.

And all of those players were already 2300 by your age at least.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Many vs. few

USA U15 National Team:

Kef Noorani	2477​
Kyler Chen	2393​
Max Mouchinski	2246​
Jayden Cai	2358​
Chirag Pradhan	2349​
Carlough Francis	2280​
Sivaraam Velayutham	2322​
Lucas Wu	2358​
Austin Lo	2371​
Sayan Jafarali	2071​
Joshua Joseph	2178​

USA U13 National Team:

Chirag Pradhan	2349​
Jaden Jia	2310​
Andrew Huang	2415​
Xianliang He	2203​
Jacob Kordus	2261​
Tanish Mamidyala	2338​
Ethan Zhou	2282​
Thomas Sui	2169​
Allen Mao	2152​
Aarav Desai	2182​
Evan Dong	2227​

Worth noting that Max from NJ had a big rating drop but was playing closer to a 2400 level when he qualified. And now Andrew H at 2400 is in the mix. Also this is one of the weaker U15 teams in recent history and whatever the team is now is not what it will be in 3 years when KTT is 15.

I believe there was a year where Nandan Darryl and Daniel were all U15 - so the U15 team at that time was basically 2550-2650.

 

[NextLevel]

Worth noting that Max from NJ had a big rating drop but was playing closer to a 2400 level when he qualified. And now Andrew H at 2400 is in the mix. Also this is one of the weaker U15 teams in recent history and whatever the team is now is not what it will be in 3 years when KTT is 15.

I believe there was a year where Nandan Darryl and Daniel were all U15 - so the U15 team at that time was basically 2550-2650.

And other than Nandan by the looks of it, there is no guarantee that those guys will turn pro.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I think the harder part is going from 2300 to 2600 and beyond.

Obviously. But KTT has been told how unrealistic his final goal is given where he is right now and the commitment he is putting in, so we are dialing things back to goals that are still unrealistic but slightly more possible.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

And other than Nandan by the looks of it, there is no guarantee that those guys will turn pro.

His time as a pro will likely not go past 2028 Olympic Trials, and he is a super talent that was 2300+ by KTTs current age who had a lot of resources and things going in his favor such as an elite level brother to learn from. Perspective.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

i am currently working with my school teachers and principal to write a very good letter to my parents for me to move to germany or sweden to train for 11 months for 8th grade or 9th grade. it depends.

Why are your school teachers and principals writing a letter to your own parents?

i will also probably set up a gofund me to help with the training costs because it would of course cost a lot of money

How much do you expect for your GoFundMe to raise? How much do you think training costs to achieve your goal will be?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

@KTableTennis ... Whether you become a pro or a high level amateur, it's more important to enjoy the process.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Its too long to wait. He need now

soon he will post, how to get from 1800 to 2600 in 6 months

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Adar Alguetti played in Germany second or third league, don't remember

He played in the 3rd league for few matches only, 7 matches between 2018~2020.

This just shows you how difficult it is to get from USA to Germany 1st division
Agar is a good player, and his best is only Germany 3rd division, with a 7 win, 5 loss record. His losses are mostly against the number 1 player of the other team.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Why are your school teachers and principals writing a letter to your own parents?


How much do you expect for your GoFundMe to raise? How much do you think training costs to achieve your goal will be?

none of this makes sense. The parents should be telling the principal that they are moving the kid to Germany or where ever.... why the heck does the teacher need to write letters to the parents? lol

for those giving him an honest and sincere advise, he just replies back with a:

No.

and saying you guys are wrong and spend the next few posts arguing against facts (and its not the first thread it has happened).

You guys really have good patience with this kid, I wonder if your patience will be around in another 4 months time because he will continue with the same.
It is quite disappointing that with his "goals", he has yet to show any progress from 4 months ago, especially all those good recommendations to him about in terms of table tennis club in the USA, coaches in the USA, etc. To me, how many 4 months period does a developing player have? there is only 3 in a year, and maybe a crucial 15 left for him, and he wasted 1 already.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

they are HELPING me with it

Not what I'm asking...why are you writing a letter to your own parents?

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

You are young and have enthusiastic interest in TT. Great! But from the comments of the people with TT career knowledge, it seems the professional path is too competitive for your age unfortunately. Good luck with your journey, and don't frustrate even if you realize you can't make this goal.