DHS Inner Carbon Blades Comparison: Sun Yingsha, Wang Chuqin, Long 5 & B2X

[arashfarshadi]

Hey all!

For my last review of this month, I managed to make some time for a blogpost I really wanted to make for a long time, the comparison of four inner DHS blades I've played (and still play) a lot with and that I really love: the DHS Sun Yingsha, Wang Chuqin, Long 5 and B2X. They are similar in a way, but still with their own clear characters and personality, so they fit different play styles and philosophies (plus the handles differ as well, very important!)

So here is the full blog link: https://www.tabletennisequipmenthelp.com/blog/dhs-inner-carbon-blades-comparison

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And here's the TL;DR if you don't have the time to read the full wall of text:

Category	Blade ranking
Composition, Weight, Handles, Ply Thickness	All 4 are ayous/limba with inner AC (aromatic carbon), ply thickness and handles vary. Similar weights
Speed, Control & Gears (High to low speed)	Long 5 > Wang Chuqin > B2X ≥ Sun Yingsha
Feeling, Vibration & Dwell (High to low hardness)	B2X ≥ Sun Yingsha > Long 5 > Wang Chuqin
Price & Durability	B2X is low-cost, the others premium, they are fragile but durable if sealed and handled correctly.

Hope you guys will enjoy this review and comparison and if you have any questions please let me know!

Take care and thanks for reading!

Victor

Ps. Just for some fun, in the last weeks, I sold one of the blades to a friend, so I didn't have the box anymore, so I had to ninja it into the hero image with claude (I had an old image on the same room floor, so that helped haha Let's see if you can spot which one without checking the full blogpost hahaha and yes, all the other images are real (as you can see in the shit image quality and composition, I'm so terrible at those things), no AI slop with me (ever)

How do you compare.hurricane301x with them?

 

[amitmnagarwal]

how do you mean @amitmnagarwal ? Like how long the D05 will last? Or if you peel it off without sealing it?

My long 5 is ~91g in weight, all those blades are around the 88-92g mark approx

i meant , how will D05 play on Long5, in terms of feel, speed ?

 

[victormanriquey]

How do you compare.hurricane301x with them?

I haven't tested the 301x specifically, so I cannot say Im sorry! Its on my backlog to test some of the 301s and make a comparison, will come one day, just that until now ive been a limba guy instead of koto

 

[victormanriquey]

i meant , how will D05 play on Long5, in terms of feel, speed ?

Ohhh in that way, thanks for clarifying, I think it will be very powerful, but difficult to control at the medium and high gears, on short game and serves you may not feel it as much (even though D05 is still very bouncy compared to more linear and tamed hybrids) but in the higher gears for sure.

Depends on your level, if you play provincially or nationally, all fine, for average regional players I would not recommend this combo

 

[golden_son]

@victormanriquey So you're gonna bring all 4 to Düsseldorf for folks to try out, right? 😄

 

[victormanriquey]

@victormanriquey So you're gonna bring all 4 to Düsseldorf for folks to try out, right? 😄

I wish I could but I had to drop out from Dusseldorf, my wife's mum is celebrating her bday big on that weekend so I had to cancel, real pity but I cannot miss it haha I'll do my best to be at the next one, I had the t-shirt ordered and hotel and all, really wanted to go, but yeah life!

 

[golden_son]

I wish I could but I had to drop out from Dusseldorf, my wife's mum is celebrating her bday big on that weekend so I had to cancel, real pity but I cannot miss it haha I'll do my best to be at the next one, I had the t-shirt ordered and hotel and all, really wanted to go, but yeah life!

What a bummer! Doesn't she know TTD at Borussia-Düsseldorf is a #BigDeal?? Mother-in-laws have a birthday every year! Heck, my own mother's birthday is happening while I'm in Germany

 

[victormanriquey]

What a bummer! Doesn't she know TTD at Borussia-Düsseldorf is a #BigDeal?? Mother-in-laws have a birthday every year! Heck, my own mother's birthday is happening while I'm in Germany

Yeah total bummer! But it is what it is, september is full of bday parties and some you cannot miss if you want to be able to play TT again hahahaha

But brave of you to go Dont forget to video call her when there! I ll join next one I hope, fingers crossed!! Hope to see the photos and so when they appear

 

[oophyte]

Hey all!

For my last review of this month, I managed to make some time for a blogpost I really wanted to make for a long time, the comparison of four inner DHS blades I've played (and still play) a lot with and that I really love: the DHS Sun Yingsha, Wang Chuqin, Long 5 and B2X. They are similar in a way, but still with their own clear characters and personality, so they fit different play styles and philosophies (plus the handles differ as well, very important!)

So here is the full blog link: https://www.tabletennisequipmenthelp.com/blog/dhs-inner-carbon-blades-comparison

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And here's the TL;DR if you don't have the time to read the full wall of text:

Category	Blade ranking
Composition, Weight, Handles, Ply Thickness	All 4 are ayous/limba with inner AC (aromatic carbon), ply thickness and handles vary. Similar weights
Speed, Control & Gears (High to low speed)	Long 5 > Wang Chuqin > B2X ≥ Sun Yingsha
Feeling, Vibration & Dwell (High to low hardness)	B2X ≥ Sun Yingsha > Long 5 > Wang Chuqin
Price & Durability	B2X is low-cost, the others premium, they are fragile but durable if sealed and handled correctly.

Hope you guys will enjoy this review and comparison and if you have any questions please let me know!

Take care and thanks for reading!

Victor

Ps. Just for some fun, in the last weeks, I sold one of the blades to a friend, so I didn't have the box anymore, so I had to ninja it into the hero image with claude (I had an old image on the same room floor, so that helped haha Let's see if you can spot which one without checking the full blogpost hahaha and yes, all the other images are real (as you can see in the shit image quality and composition, I'm so terrible at those things), no AI slop with me (ever)

This is the first time I've heard the term aromatic carbon. So let's address the elephant in the room: How do they smell?

 

[dingyibvs]

This is the first time I've heard the term aromatic carbon. So let's address the elephant in the room: How do they smell?

The Chinese term for ALC is "blue aromatic carbon).

 

[victormanriquey]

This is the first time I've heard the term aromatic carbon. So let's address the elephant in the room: How do they smell?

Fishy? ))

 

[victormanriquey]

The Chinese term for ALC is "blue aromatic carbon).

Yeah and in these blades is yellow so maybe is just a color die, or there is more going on, I have never been able to find a real definitive answer (in different forums) so if somebody knows for sure please tell us!

 

[dingyibvs]

Yeah and in these blades is yellow so maybe is just a color die, or there is more going on, I have never been able to find a real definitive answer (in different forums) so if somebody knows for sure please tell us!

Aramid/carbon weave in Chinese is "yellow aromatic carbon", and that's the one used in HL5 archetype blades.

 

[Archosaurus]

Yeah and in these blades is yellow so maybe is just a color die, or there is more going on, I have never been able to find a real definitive answer (in different forums) so if somebody knows for sure please tell us!

The term is correct, at least I assume it's referring to aromatic polyarylate which is used in "ALC".

It's not some funny translation error.

 

[victormanriquey]

Aramid/carbon weave in Chinese is "yellow aromatic carbon", and that's the one used in HL5 archetype blades.

Yes this seems to be what most people said in other places/threads but some others have mentioned that it is just ALC as DHS cannot use the term ALC, so they call it AC.

Thats why I mentioned that I have not found an answer with full certainty, but I my feeling says that it does not feel the same as ALC

Anyways, if you guys know for sure, then I believe you of course!

 

[Archosaurus]

Yes this seems to be what most people said in other places/threads but some others have mentioned that it is just ALC as DHS cannot use the term ALC, so they call it AC.

Thats why I mentioned that I have not found an answer with full certainty, but I my feeling says that it does not feel the same as ALC

Anyways, if you guys know for sure, then I believe you of course!

There is no way for you to feel the difference between any of the fiber types without making some kind of control blade where every parameter is exactly the same except the fiber type. Good luck even producing two such blades.

In reality that's not how blades are made and they're something you need to look at holistically, as a system. The thickness of the layer, the width, the weave pattern, the binding material, the pressing load, any surface hardening etc. matters a lot more than what marketing label they slapped onto what is a composite material that makes wood stiffer.

 

[victormanriquey]

There is no way for you to feel the difference between any of the fiber types without making some kind of control blade where every parameter is exactly the same except the fiber type. Good luck even producing two such blades.

In reality that's not how blades are made and they're something you need to look at holistically, as a system. The thickness of the layer, the width, the weave pattern, the binding material, the pressing load, any surface hardening etc. matters a lot more than what marketing label they slapped onto what is a composite material that makes wood stiffer.

Since I dont have a stric scientific/lab based approach to testing, its always based on feeling what I say, but I have a certain 'memory' of how inner and outer ALC feels in blades and these blades dont give me an inner ALC feeling when I go all in, but again, you are right and what I feel is the system, not just the composite layer

 

[dingyibvs]

I have the W968, Q968, and S968, all 3 around 90 grams. I've played with the W968 for about a year, Q968 a bit less than a year, and S968 for a couple weeks now. My assessment of those 3 blades are a bit different, though I think some of it is just up to the individual blade. There's no doubt that the 3 blades are different, most likely they have different carbon-composite weaves as they're too different to be explained by just glue layers or S968's thicker core. Someone who's looked closely at the S968's carbon pattern on the edge of the blade thinks that it both has more carbon fiber and that they're weaved in a different direction.

Anyhow, out of the 3, the W feels most like a wood blade, it's got the most flex, the highest arc, and the most power on the hardest shots with great catapult. The reviews of this blade is pretty consistent, it's a true weapon for the player with a big FH swing. The extreme dwell (for its speed) however makes it far more difficult to use on the BH side, it just creates a huge arc and never leaves the blade, and it's a bit hard to hit into.

The Q feels WAAAY harder, but not exactly crisp, and has great catapult as well. However, it was the hardest to hit into out of the 3 blades, which mind you is a bit different to what other reviewers have found. While not quite as catapulty as the W, it's close, and with its superior speed it feels even more deadly than the W. Again though, while it may just be my particular blade, due to how much harder it is to hit into it was a very difficult and demanding blade to use.

The S968 is much more crisp, almost outer carbon like though still noticeably less crisp than my FZDs and Viscarias. It's very fast, but the ball doesn't leave as quickly as it would on say the Vis so it has a good amount of built-in safety. It's also by far the easiest blade to hit into out of the 3. It does still have the characteristic 968 catapult, but not as much as the other two, especially not as much as the W.

All 3 blades have nice catapult, and all 3 have enough inner carbon quality that makes it very good at brush looping, especially when you need to counter-loop a low and spinny opening loop from the opponent. On the FZD it requires extreme precision and very fine brushing not to loop long, while it is far, far easier on all three 968 blades. The S968 being much easier to hit into and a lot more crisp IMO makes it a much better blade for most amateurs. I think it's a great middle ground between the W968 and my FZD ALC.

For me personally, I've been training my BH a lot and I'm gonna start on working a BH-oriented system, a sort of intentional overcorrection for my current very FH-oriented system. For that I'm gonna use the FZD ALC. But I think I'll eventually move back to the S968 as it's really got all the good qualities of the 968 FH usable for an amateur while still being extremely capable on the BH side.

BTW, I also have two pieces of Loki LJK ADC specials, one R-series and one S-series. Both have the 968 construction but play more like outer carbon blades than the S968. The R-series is closer to the 968s while the S-series closer to the FZD/Vis. They're both excellent blades as well, powerful and fairly easy to hit into, with nice feel and the characteristic control both with close to the table counter-loops and opening loops.

 

[Tyce]

Anyhow, out of the 3, the W feels most like a wood blade, it's got the most flex, the highest arc, and the most power on the hardest shots with great catapult. The reviews of this blade is pretty consistent, it's a true weapon for the player with a big FH swing. The extreme dwell (for its speed) however makes it far more difficult to use on the BH side, it just creates a huge arc and never leaves the blade, and it's a bit hard to hit into.

This is a perfect description of my experience with Butterfly Korbel. The only way I could speed it up on the BH was to just hit flat on the blade. Short, fast strokes just meant I was finished before the ball was out of the rubber.

 

[victormanriquey]

I have the W968, Q968, and S968, all 3 around 90 grams. I've played with the W968 for about a year, Q968 a bit less than a year, and S968 for a couple weeks now. My assessment of those 3 blades are a bit different, though I think some of it is just up to the individual blade. There's no doubt that the 3 blades are different, most likely they have different carbon-composite weaves as they're too different to be explained by just glue layers or S968's thicker core. Someone who's looked closely at the S968's carbon pattern on the edge of the blade thinks that it both has more carbon fiber and that they're weaved in a different direction.

Anyhow, out of the 3, the W feels most like a wood blade, it's got the most flex, the highest arc, and the most power on the hardest shots with great catapult. The reviews of this blade is pretty consistent, it's a true weapon for the player with a big FH swing. The extreme dwell (for its speed) however makes it far more difficult to use on the BH side, it just creates a huge arc and never leaves the blade, and it's a bit hard to hit into.

The Q feels WAAAY harder, but not exactly crisp, and has great catapult as well. However, it was the hardest to hit into out of the 3 blades, which mind you is a bit different to what other reviewers have found. While not quite as catapulty as the W, it's close, and with its superior speed it feels even more deadly than the W. Again though, while it may just be my particular blade, due to how much harder it is to hit into it was a very difficult and demanding blade to use.

The S968 is much more crisp, almost outer carbon like though still noticeably less crisp than my FZDs and Viscarias. It's very fast, but the ball doesn't leave as quickly as it would on say the Vis so it has a good amount of built-in safety. It's also by far the easiest blade to hit into out of the 3. It does still have the characteristic 968 catapult, but not as much as the other two, especially not as much as the W.

All 3 blades have nice catapult, and all 3 have enough inner carbon quality that makes it very good at brush looping, especially when you need to counter-loop a low and spinny opening loop from the opponent. On the FZD it requires extreme precision and very fine brushing not to loop long, while it is far, far easier on all three 968 blades. The S968 being much easier to hit into and a lot more crisp IMO makes it a much better blade for most amateurs. I think it's a great middle ground between the W968 and my FZD ALC.

For me personally, I've been training my BH a lot and I'm gonna start on working a BH-oriented system, a sort of intentional overcorrection for my current very FH-oriented system. For that I'm gonna use the FZD ALC. But I think I'll eventually move back to the S968 as it's really got all the good qualities of the 968 FH usable for an amateur while still being extremely capable on the BH side.

BTW, I also have two pieces of Loki LJK ADC specials, one R-series and one S-series. Both have the 968 construction but play more like outer carbon blades than the S968. The R-series is closer to the 968s while the S-series closer to the FZD/Vis. They're both excellent blades as well, powerful and fairly easy to hit into, with nice feel and the characteristic control both with close to the table counter-loops and opening loops.

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Thanks for this super detailed information @dingyibvs , I always enjoy when others add their personal experiences as it always makes the conversation better!! So again, thanks! <3

And I agree with you that the SYS blade is the easiest to handle for amateurs, while the WCQ and L5 are harder for us mortals haha

And it's perfectly fine to have different experiences on hardness and speed/dwell, the national versions of the blades are also different than my commercial ones, plus perhaps we have different technique and equipment, which also makes a difference And even so, it gives the other readers a more nuanced version of the story, which is good before buying.

Overall, I think the bottom line is that for the average inner carbon user, the SYS will be the easier one to handle, and for those who need raw power, either the W or Q will be the right choice if they like a blade that's more focused on feeling and control than other fast premium blades.