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In the end Harimoto shoot himself and his whole team down the drain
Don't feel bad. Harimoto is just following the not-so-reliable JNT tradition. Follow Shine, rather. Can't go wrong. LOL

LOL at Harimoto's comment. 驕兵必敗哀兵必勝

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HKG 3-0 PRK
WCT 3-1 Ham Yu Song (10, -5, 9, 6)
Baldwin 3-0 Ri Jong Sik (10, 9, 8)
Lam Siu Hang 3-0 U Tae Ryong (9, 10, 8)
G2 106, 109 TO for HKG, 1010, 1210
G3 52 TO for PRK, 53, 63, 66 big net for PRK, 67 big net for PRK, 77, 78, 118

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It actually made sense that LJK kept coming back. He is a spin oriented player, and it takes time for him to engage the full body for creating hugely spinny balls. At the end of his match against Harimoto, it is all spin that worked Harimoto clueless. Harimoto should have tried more long serves, more rallies. except of pushing and trying to block or counter. If he flipped more or served more, the results might be different.
I think sometimes Harimoto was just too full of himself, even in the time out. Did he even listen to his coach? I just saw him talking all the time, coaching the coach.
I agree with the wrong game plan. Hari switched to hitting the ball without much spin compared to the early sets and he was inconsistent. Liang could adapt to the strokes and his shots had much better margin for error in the later sets. I am happy to see that the spin oriented players can still compete against hard hitters. Thinking about it, Xu Xin also needed time to get into the game, he rarely won 3-0 compared to ML/FZD.
But I think it's normal if a player likes to tell his thoughts and has a conversation with his coach instead of just listening to him. After all, the goal is to find solutions and the player's feelings are very important.
 
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Did anyone else feel like LJK vs Tomokazu was more like the women's TT than men's? 80% of it was BH to BH and both sides stuck close to the table. I get that the peak meta in the modern game seems to centre around varying between the opponent's BH corner and middle, but these 2 really take it to the extreme.

Speaking of the women, I doubt anybody expected that the women of CNT would struggle so much more than the men's team, given their group stage losses and their poor individual world rankings coming into this event.
You need tp watch more LJK vs TH then, this was no different from the many prior editions.
 
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I agree with the wrong game plan. Hari switched to hitting the ball without much spin compared to the early sets and he was inconsistent. Liang could adapt to the strokes and his shots had much better margin for error in the later sets. I am happy to see that the spin oriented players can still compete against hard hitters. Thinking about it, Xu Xin also needed time to get into the game, he rarely won 3-0 compared to ML/FZD.
But I think it's normal if a player likes to tell his thoughts and has a conversation with his coach instead of just listening to him. After all, the goal is to find solutions and the player's feelings are very important.
But it also reflects the limitations od the coach. If the coach has tactical wisdom, the player will learn to shut up and listen. The player is okay sharing what he sees but a good coach is also insightful enough to share something. I am not a fan of the early timeout to break the streak, I would have called the timeout at 8-6 or 8-7 by which time it was obvious that Liang was not spinning the ball heavy enough for Harimoto to counter the way he was countering.
 
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In the end Harimoto shoot himself and his whole team down the drain
It didn't but it was pretty far out in terms of current probability and even more so based on recent history so it was a wild idea to say the least! 😉
Saying if Sora is on fire it could be 2-0 is the longest shot there is because it's was the unbeaten WCQ so never likely to be 2-0.
Possible, yes.
But likely, no.
I do agree that Harimoto somehow or other contrived to throw it away. Possibly he should have done more listening and he could have made the changes to get over the line but even then he'd have come back out in game 4 to lose to WCQ and it's the same outcome but just a 3-1 scoreline 🤷
 
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You need tp watch more LJK vs TH then, this was no different from the many prior editions.
You're right, it wasn't. But he didn't say it was different from any of their other games.
In terms of style I think his point of it having more similarities with women TT than most mens matches is a valid one. No?
 
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You're right, it wasn't. But he didn't say it was different from any of their other games.
In terms of style I think his point of it having more similarities with women TT than most mens matches is a valid one. No?
Harinoto has always played a game that one would call a woman's game. Anyone who holds the table and dominates the backhand diagonal is mostly playing the Women's game. It becomes pronounced when he plays Liang because Liang who doesn't play the Women's game is able to hold the table and dominate the backhand diagonal. So Harimoto starts to try long serves and stuff like that to see whether he can exploit it. I sometimes wonder what defines the women's and the men's game these days.
 
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It didn't but it was pretty far out in terms of current probability and even more so based on recent history so it was a wild idea to say the least! 😉
Saying if Sora is on fire it could be 2-0 is the longest shot there is because it's was the unbeaten WCQ so never likely to be 2-0.
Possible, yes.
But likely, no.
I do agree that Harimoto somehow or other contrived to throw it away. Possibly he should have done more listening and he could have made the changes to get over the line but even then he'd have come back out in game 4 to lose to WCQ and it's the same outcome but just a 3-1 scoreline 🤷
Still the same problem for Matsushima, as in dumping G6 at World Cup 2026. He shouldn't have dumped G3 here, thinking he could turn things around in G4. Every game counts when facing the CNT.

In many past interviews, CNT players would always say they come into difficult matches with the worst scenario in mind and the mindset of playing to the decider.
 
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Harinoto has always played a game that one would call a woman's game. Anyone who holds the table and dominates the backhand diagonal is mostly playing the Women's game. It becomes pronounced when he plays Liang because Liang who doesn't play the Women's game is able to hold the table and dominate the backhand diagonal. So Harimoto starts to try long serves and stuff like that to see whether he can exploit it. I sometimes wonder what defines the women's and the men's game these days.
Well I agree on all of that.
As to what defines the men's and women's I won't attempt to classify except to say that longer rallies back from the table relying on pure power and athleticism seldom seem to happen in the women's but are the points that are sometimes so memorable in the men's, even if they're still not the majority of points...
I did find it interesting how similar this match was to a typical womens match and actually I thought Harimoto could have taken LJK on FH FH exchanges but he never tried.

In another vein entirely, I think losing by a lack of ideas and inability to read what was happening isn't really acceptable at this level.
We all know that China have an advantage in the chair most of the time but team Japan have to do better in this regard.
I don't know if it's Harimotos fault that he doesn't listen or the coaches fault that they're not insistent enough but until they get that right they will never get it done.

And finally, I hope the silly seeding/group nonsense of putting 3 teams from a group on the same side of the draw gets fixed. Nobody really seems happy with that nor can anyone see the sense in it. I've never seen that in other sports.
Sorry, using this response to spill on everything really.
Great tournament that just needs a few tweaks.
 
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Seeing Kishikawa didn't call the TO last time at ATTC 2025, he's like the coaches that are no good at coming up with solutions on the spot that Mizutani criticized in an old interview with Table Tennis Kingdom. In comparison, DHK actually agreed with a fan comment on calling the TO late at WTT Montpellier 2025 and Zhang Rui called TO early this time here and still the same outcome, but perhaps not calling it early the last time and losing in the end has a lasting/cascading effect on subsequent matches.

Mizutani has also touched on how Harimoto is too self-centered on executing his own tactics (can't find the original post, probably on MyTT). Perhaps he felt the coaches couldn't help him out that he has turned into this. Remember he once said he used to argue a lot with his dad over the FH issue/FH-oriented game (can't find the original post, probably on MyTT).
That is maybe why Harimoto's game has not evolved much and he has not learned more versatile/styles. He did not even try another serve (or did he?) during the period that LJK came back from 3:8 to 11:8.
 
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Talking about women's game, you just need to take a look at CXT, a veteran of Chinese women's team. She represents a typical so called women's game.

Another term we often heard from Chinese is 'playing woman's game with flavor of men's style'. Here, the best example is SYS. But, I'll also include German's Sabina Winter.

Basically, to play this style, a woman player needs to add more tools in her attacking game in addition to the primary base of backhand exchange, mainly aggressive flipping short balls inside the table and explosively step around launching a forehand power loop. These two offensive tools are not easy for most female players to master. It requires a keen sense of reading the game, making quick decision, a snappy wrist, core strength and explosive footwork.

Nowadays, SYS has the best step around forehand attack and WMY has the best banana flip on women side. No wonder they are the two best players. Sabina, on the other hand, due to using anti on her backhand, she has to depend heavily on her forehand attack and lots of time she does step around forehand loop. Sabina probably at her age still is the most athletic woman in the world.

An exciting scene in men's game is off the table loop rally. Sorry, this element still is quite lacking in woman's game. Women simply don't have the strength and speed to throw long distance bomb at each other.

It almost feels funny to describe a bulky guy like LJKing using women's game to beat Harimoto. If you take a close look at both decider he played against Alex and Tomo, he mainly just slowed down the pace inviting the other side to get impatient and commit errors. All his opponents were used to get fast paced shots and redirect them back. Now, they suddenly felt either a little out of position or lost in rhythm.
 
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Did anyone else feel like LJK vs Tomokazu was more like the women's TT than men's? 80% of it was BH to BH and both sides stuck close to the table. I get that the peak meta in the modern game seems to centre around varying between the opponent's BH corner and middle, but these 2 really take it to the extreme.

Speaking of the women, I doubt anybody expected that the women of CNT would struggle so much more than the men's team, given their group stage losses and their poor individual world rankings coming into this event.
LJK is too slow/heavy to pivot, and while Harimoto is fast enough to pivot it is not as point ending as say WCQ or Sora FH pivots. So the meta between the 2 would be a battle for BH-BH dominance of course.

Harimoto definitely choked hard at the end, he had so many opportunities to lock the game down and he made easy mistake after easy mistake to allow the comeback.
 
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End of day, a reliable FH is what keeps you at the top is my main takeaway from this tournament/finals.

SYS needs no elaboration on this, including why she stomps choppers. WMY's loss to Miwa was clearly the latter's improved FH (and speed plus variations of course).

Tomo relied so much on his BH towards the end against LJK when his FH actually helped a fair bit. When WCQ started protecting his FH and more steparounds, he emerged victorious.

But I'm not really a player so :LOL:
 
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LJK is too slow/heavy to pivot, and while Harimoto is fast enough to pivot it is not as point ending as say WCQ or Sora FH pivots. So the meta between the 2 would be a battle for BH-BH dominance of course.

Harimoto definitely choked hard at the end, he had so many opportunities to lock the game down and he made easy mistake after easy mistake to allow the comeback.
Liang pivots quite a bit, their backhand quality is also a factor in this as they both have two of the best backhands in the world.
 
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This is a really confused statement when Liang Jingkun is reputed to be the heaviest spin player on the CNT. The spin no longer wins points directly as often, it juat keeps you extremely consistent under pressure.
As you can see in game 1 and game 2 he tried to overpower Harimoto with his quality which proved to be useless. Harimoto is superb when it comes to handling high-quality shots, reason why he almost always steamrolls Hugo. His backhand is incredible when it comes to borrowing the quality of his opponent.

Game 3 and 4 where he toned it down and just got it back on the table. He wasn't putting quality in his shots, there isn't enough backswing to put that spinniest spin there. The moment he put quality and power in his shots, Harimoto countered it beautifully.
 
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Man of the hour, not WCQ, not LSD... this dude!

The great comeback kid. Even at the decider; trailing 2-7, he fought, never give up.... until he takes the match!

This dude; what a comeback. 0-2, and trailing 2-7 in the decider!
 
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Man of the hour, not WCQ, not LSD... this dude!

The great comeback kid. Even at the decider; trailing 2-7, he fought, never give up.... until he takes the match!

This dude; what a comeback. 0-2 then 2-7 in the decider!
Never give up !
 
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As you can see in game 1 and game 2 he tried to overpower Harimoto with his quality which proved to be useless. Harimoto is superb when it comes to handling high-quality shots, reason why he almost always steamrolls Hugo. His backhand is incredible when it comes to borrowing the quality of his opponent.

Game 3 and 4 where he toned it down and just got it back on the table. He wasn't putting quality in his shots, there isn't enough backswing to put that spinniest spin there. The moment he put quality and power in his shots, Harimoto countered it beautifully.
Quality isnt the only definition of spin and spin variation. You need to use the spin to stay consistent. You also don't need that much of a backswing to generate spin, a lot of it is using the fingers to make the right kind of contact.
 
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