China Super League 2017

JesperStef · Dec 30, 2017

Results from Men's Round 8 (Sat 30 December):

[5:2] Bayi 1:3 Shandong Weiqiao [6:1]
1) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Xue Fei (11:6, 12:10, 11:3)
2) Zhou Yu 1:3 Lin Gaoyuan (11:9, 9:11, 9:11, 6:11)
3) Zhou Yu/Zhou Kai 1:2 Yan An/Xia Yizheng (10:12, 11:6, 6:8)
4) Fan Zhendong 2:3 Lin Gaoyuan (8:11, 11:8, 10:12, 11:7, 6:8)
5) Zhou Kai vs Yan An

[3:4] Bazhou 3:0 Shanghai [2:5]
1) Wang Chuqin 3:2 Xu Xin (11:6, 3:11, 4:11, 14:12, 7:4)
2) Liang Jingkun 3:1 Sun Zheng (11:3, 11:5, 7:11, 11:9)
3) Wang Chuqin/Yu Heyi 2:0 Zhao Zihao/Cui Qinglei (11:8, 11:6)
4) Liang Jingkun vs Xu Xin
5) Yu Heyi vs Cui Qinglei

[0:7] Sichuan 0:3 Shandong Luneng [5:2]
1) Zhu Linfeng 2:3 Shang Kun (7:11, 8:11, 11:3, 11:9, 3:7)
2) Lai Jiaxin 2:3 Fang Bo (5:11, 11:8, 12:10, 4:11, 3:7)
3) Xu Ruifeng/Lai Jiaxin 1:2 Shang Kun/Zhang Chao (11:7, 11:13, 4:7)
4) Zhu Linfeng vs Fang Bo
5) Yan Sheng vs Zhang Chao

[4:3] Anhui 3:0 Shenzhen [4:3]
1) Zhou Qihao 3:0 Xu Chenhao (11:7, 11:6, 11:6)
2) Yu Ziyang 3:0 Ren Hao (11:6, 11:5, 11:8)
3) Zhou Qihao/Zhu Cheng 2:0 Hao Shuai/Ren Hao (11:5, 11:4)
4) Yu Ziyang vs Xu Chenhao
5) Zhu Cheng vs Zheng Peifeng

[4:3] Tianjin 3:0 Jiangsu [2:5]
1) Ma Long 3:2 Zhang Yudong (11:7, 10:12, 9:11, 11:9, 7:5)
2) Ma Te 3:0 Sun Wen (11:6, 11:4, 11:4)
3) Liu Dingshuo/Cheng Jingqi 2:1 Kong Lingxuan/Cao Wei (12:10, 8:11, 12:10)
4) Ma Te vs Zhang Yudong
5) Liu Dingshuo vs Kong Lingxuan

Standings (after Round 8):
01) Shandong Weiqiao (7:1)
02) Shandong Luneng (6:2)
03) Bayi, Tianjin, Anhui (5:3)
06) Shenzhen, Bazhou (4:4)
08) Jiangsu, Shanghai (2:6)
10) Sichuan (0:8)

Source: http://cttsl.sports.cn/schedule/

Next round: Tue 2 January (Round 9)

drunix80 · Dec 31, 2017

FZD goes down to another left hander LGY after Shang Kun. Does he have a weakness against left-handers ?

langel · Dec 31, 2017

Wang Chuqin vs Xu Xin /3:2/ - I want to see this, but can't find it.

NextLevel · Dec 31, 2017

What I find interesting is that all people talk about is how LGY chokes but they will never discuss that he was down 4-6 to FZD and came back to win 8-6...

ajtatosmano2 · Dec 31, 2017

ML: another close call, but he still don't lose. LGY plays just better and better, being in top4 helps him mentally, I think. Shang Kun and Fang Bo are coming up. I think XX got punished just like against Harimoto, WCQ was just a little more consistent. Good year in CTTSL.

RidTheKid · Dec 31, 2017

Is it fair to compare CSL with International tournaments? I don't think so, other mental aspects involved. Regardless, like drunix80 said, Fzd may have more difficulties against lefties.

NextLevel said:
What I find interesting is that all people talk about is how LGY chokes but they will never discuss that he was down 4-6 to FZD and came back to win 8-6...

NextLevel · Dec 31, 2017

RidTheKid said:
Is it fair to compare CSL with International tournaments? I don't think so, other mental aspects involved. Regardless, like drunix80 said, Fzd may have more difficulties against lefties.

FZD has more difficulties against lefties throughout his career but that is neither here nor there as he beats them with preparation. The Shang Kun match was clearly an anomaly as he played in the doubles slot. But he has never lost to Boll or Mizutani for example.

As for fairness, of course international play is not the same as CSL play. But he is now the main player for his team. He shoulders those responsibilities that Ma Long used to. And he is doing a great job.

JesperStef · Dec 31, 2017

Results from Women's Round 8 (Sun 31 December):

[6:1] Wuhan 3:1 Qilu [3:4]
1) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Shi Xunyao (11:3, 11:9, 11:4)
2) Zhang Rui 1:3 Chen Xingtong (4:11, 4:11, 11:8, 9:11)
3) Feng Yalan/Qian Tianyi 2:0 Shi Xunyao/Wen Jia (11:9, 16:14)
4) Liu Shiwen 3:1 Chen Xingtong (11:7, 13:11, 9:11, 11:3)
5) Feng Yalan vs Wu Yang

[7:0] Shandong Luneng 3:0 Bayi [3:4]
1) Gu Yuting 3:2 Sun Mingyang (13:15, 8:11, 11:8, 14:12, 7:5)
2) Zhu Yuling 3:0 Liu Xi (11:6, 11:8, 11:5)
3) Liu Gaoyang/Li Xiaodan 2:1 Huang Fanzhen/Li Ruonan (12:10, 8:11, 7:5)
4) Zhu Yuling vs Sun Mingyang
5) Liu Gaoyang vs Mu Zi

[3:4] Shenzhen 3:0 Sichuan [1:6]
1) Chen Meng 3:0 Yang Huijing (11:8, 11:8, 11:8)
2) Sun Yingsha 3:0 Guo Yan (11:6, 11:9, 11:5)
3) Chen Meng/Wang Yidi 2:0 Guo Yan/Yuan Yuan (11:7, 11:8)
4) Sun Yingsha vs Yang Huijing
5) He Zhuojia vs Yuan Yuan

[3:4] Shanxi 2:3 Beijing [3:4]
1) Che Xiaoxi 3:2 Sheng Dandan (5:11, 11:9, 11:7, 9:11, 7:5)
2) Mu Jingyu 1:3 Ding Ning (11:6, 3:11, 1:11, 8:11)
3) Liu Ming/Wang Shu 2:0 Li Jiayuan/Sun Chen (11:9, 11:5)
4) Che Xiaoxi 2:3 Ding Ning (14:16, 12:10, 11:8, 10:12, 5:7)
5) Jiang Yue 0:2 Guo Yuhan (9:11, 5:11)

[2:5] Longfu 2:3 Jilin [4:3]
1) Feng Tianwei 3:2 Wang Manyu (8:11, 11:7, 11:6, 8:11, 7:3)
2) Li Jiayi 3:2 Chen Ke (7:11, 11:9, 9:11, 11:2, 7:3)
3) Feng Tianwei/Zhang Qiang 1:2 Chen Ke/Yuan Xuejiao (6:11, 11:9, 6:8)
4) Li Jiayi 0:3 Wang Manyu (6:11, 5:11, 5:11)
5) Zhang Qiang 0:2 Yuan Xuejiao (6:11, 7:11)

Standings (after Round 8):
01) Shandong Luneng (8:0)
02) Wuhan (7:1)
03) Jilin (5:3)
04) Beijing, Shenzhen (4:4)
06) Shanxi, Qilu, Bayi (3:5)
09) Longfu (2:6)
10) Sichuan (1:7)

Source: http://cttsl.sports.cn/schedule/

Next round: Wed 03 January (Round 9)

TTLondon2012 · Dec 31, 2017

30.Dec 2017:

Ma Long vs Zhang Yudong

Fan Zhendong vs Lin Gaoyuan

TTHopeful · Dec 31, 2017

I have missed the china super league !

table tennis fans · Jan 1, 2018

TTHopeful said:
I have missed the china super league !

Then make sure you will follow round 9 which will be scheduled on 2 & 3 January. The key of the women's game, Wuhan Hundred Percent versus Shandong Lun is definitely a match the you do not want to miss.

https://tabletennissbsbb.blogspot.com/2018/01/2017-cttsl-round-9-jan-2-3.html

Michal_Z · Jan 3, 2018

NextLevel said:
What I find interesting is that all people talk about is how LGY chokes but they will never discuss that he was down 4-6 to FZD and came back to win 8-6...

And not just that.. Have you seen the rally at 5:6?
Insane!

Overall watching the match, I have to say, LGY has much better forehand than Fan.
Also he is better in rallies.
For BH to BH exchanges they are quite equal.
I think this supports my feeling, that FZD will never be a number 1 player in the world..

Shifu · Jan 3, 2018

funny, I think FZD is a lot stronger than LGY and is going to be the #1 very soon.

NextLevel · Jan 3, 2018

Michal_Z said:
And not just that.. Have you seen the rally at 5:6?
Insane!

Overall watching the match, I have to say, LGY has much better forehand than Fan.
Also he is better in rallies.
For BH to BH exchanges they are quite equal.
I think this supports my feeling, that FZD will never be a number 1 player in the world..

LGY doesn't have overwhelming power and benefits from facing CNT power regularly. FZD has overwhelming power and will do very well against most players who don't see it on a regular basis.

shinshiro · Jan 3, 2018

TTLondon2012 said:
30.Dec 2017:

Ma Long vs Zhang Yudong

ML chop block at 3:34 was beautiful. Someday I will learn how to do this, it is probably my favorite type of shot on TT.

One guy at youtube noticed that this point was basically the same from the video below (see 3:17) on a match of China Super League 2016. Same opponent, same shot, same failure from Zhang and the same walk away like a boss from ML haha.

Michal_Z · Jan 3, 2018

Fabian said:
funny, I think FZD is a lot stronger than LGY and is going to be the #1 very soon.

Most likely you are right.
But - Two years ago.. people said the same. FZD, future world number one..
Year ago - people said Soon FZD will be world number one..

Well - so far it didnt happen.

I said - he may never be world number one

One of us is right.
And I am not going to fight, this post I am writing with smile on my lips

Shifu · Jan 3, 2018

You seem to forget that Fan Zhendong is just 20 years old. At what age Ma Long first became the #1?

rainneverever · Jan 3, 2018

The earliest time for FZD to become WR#1 is April 2018 if he will attend and get good results in Qatar Open and German Open this March. By then, he will be 21 years 3 months old, the same age at which ML first became WR#1.
Actually it is KLH who keeps the youngest record of becoming WR#1 for the first time, 20 years and 3 months. The average age of first time being WR #1 of all 17 male players who has ever reached WR#1 is 24.

Player	DOB	1st time WR#1	Age of 1st time WR#1
Jörgen Persson	1966/4/22	1991/10/1	25 yr 6 mo
Jean-Philippe Gatien	1968/10/16	1992/7/2	23 yr 9 mo
Jan-Ove Waldner	1965/10/3	1992/8/24	26 yr 10 mo
Jean-Michel Saive	1969/11/17	1994/2/9	24 yr 3 mo
Wang Tao	1967/12/13	1995/9	27 yr 9 mo
Kong Linghui	1975/10/18	1996/1	20 yr 3 mo
Liu Guoliang	1976/1/10	1996/11	20 yr 10 mo
Vladimir Samsonov	1976/4/17	1997/12	21 yr 8 mo
Wang Liqin	1978/6/18	2000/8	22 yr 2 mo
Ma Lin	1980/2/19	2002/10	22 yr 8 mo
Timo Boll	1981/3/8	2003/1	21 yr 10 mo
Werner Schlager	1972/9/28	2003/6	30 yr 9 mo
Wang Hao	1983/12/15	2004/12	21 yr
Ma Long	1998/10/20	2010/1	21 yr 3 mo
Zhang Jike	1998/2/16	2012/6	24 yr 4 mo
Xu Xin	1990/1/8	2013/1	23 yr
Dimitrij Ovtcharov	1988/9/2	2018/1	29 yr 4 mo
Fan Zhendong	1997/1/22	2018/4 (earliest)

Fabian said:
You seem to forget that Fan Zhendong is just 20 years old. At what age Ma Long first became the #1?

JST · Jan 3, 2018

rainneverever said:
The average age of first time being WR #1 of all 17 male players who has ever reached WR#1 is 24.

This is great extract, I was looking for similar data few weeks back! What is your source? Are you saying that ITTF world ranking started on October 1st 1991? I'm pretty sure there used to be at least annual table tennis world rankings since WW2, maybe even before.

rainneverever · Jan 4, 2018

JST said:
This is great extract, I was looking for similar data few weeks back! What is your source? Are you saying that ITTF world ranking started on October 1st 1991? I'm pretty sure there used to be at least annual table tennis world rankings since WW2, maybe even before.

ITTF started to use computerized ranking system from Oct 1991. There should be earlier version of rankings, but not on a regular basis.
Here are WR#1 data in computer ranking era
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/乒乓球男單世界第一列表
Old article about the first ITTF computer ranking system developed by Canadian TTU (p5)
https://tabletennisengland.co.uk/etta_website/magazine-archive/1991-92/tt_issue400.pdf

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