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I don't know the peeps that sell it to me, so they're not buddies, but that's what I pay for my rubbers, that's what counts at the end of the day. Either that, or the list prices, or all the prices.That’s buddy prices, they don’t count ...
(If I steal mine there for free...)
I paid around 30 Euros for my Rakzas and a little more for Evolution...
That’s not a market price. It could even be stolen ... At least it should be regarded as second hand or surplus...
That’s not a market price. That could even be stolen stuff...
That is why I specified that I was mentioning offers with proof of purchase.
Edit: proof purchase = receipt or vat invoice.
Sure proof of a purchase...
If one do not trust it, one can always call the shop. They will confirm authenticity of said proof. If someone would forge receipt or an invoice, then that person might face some long jail time.
In Europe, Omega VII Pro and Euro are only 2€ less than Tenergy.
I know the difference in price is larger in the US between these rubbers.
Then whole heartedly buy Tenergy. One thing which I find with Xiom O7P is that it is very good rubber to play the ball on the rise. But if you are out of position and you have to lift a ball which is low using topspin then this rubber is really worse in that department. It could be my technique so I don't put the blame on the rubber entirely but when I used to play with Tenergy I never faced such issues.
Yea, the way pricing is here, it makes more sense for me to buy Tenergy, if I'm not buying Fastarc, Rakza, Vega (or Evo). I know it's very different in the US where Butterfly prices are completely insane, which will make me think twice when I move back there in a year or two. I'm not a fan of the European brands' ESN rubbers, their sponge is trying too hard to ressemble Tenergy but they're very brittle, then the factory tuning makes the topsheet bubble a bit, and it wears out after a couple of weeks, and their rubbers don't last as long. I do like most of the rubbers ESN makes for Nittaku, Yasaka and Xiom, more simple but effective sponges, no bullshit factory tuning, great quality topsheets that last long. For my BH, I'm between Tenergy (80, 05FX) and Fastarc (G-1, C-1) right now.Then whole heartedly buy Tenergy. One thing which I find with Xiom O7P is that it is very good rubber to play the ball on the rise. But if you are out of position and you have to lift a ball which is low using topspin then this rubber is really worse in that department. It could be my technique so I don't put the blame on the rubber entirely but when I used to play with Tenergy I never faced such issues.
Yea, the way pricing is here, it makes more sense for me to buy Tenergy, if I'm not buying Fastarc, Rakza, Vega (or Evo). I know it's very different in the US where Butterfly prices are completely insane, which will make me think twice when I move back there in a year or two. I'm not a fan of the European brands' ESN rubbers, their sponge is trying too hard to ressemble Tenergy but they're very brittle, then the factory tuning makes the topsheet bubble a bit, and it wears out after a couple of weeks, and their rubbers don't last as long. I do like most of the rubbers ESN makes for Nittaku, Yasaka and Xiom, more simple but effective sponges, no bullshit factory tuning, great quality topsheets that last long. For my BH, I'm between Tenergy (80, 05FX) and Fastarc (G-1, C-1) right now.
Completely agree with you. BTW, I am looking for some inputs on the life of rubbers like Nittaku Fastarc G-1, C-1, Yasaka Rakza X or anything else which is in affordable price range. I met a guy yesterday who came from NY. He was using MXP both sides. He told me that he plays 20 hrs per week and he changes his rubbers every month! That is something which I cannot afford. I play for 9-12 hrs in a week and I want my rubbers to last for about 4 months. Do let me know your experiences with Brands like Nittaku, Yasaka and Xiom.
G-1 and C-1 last very long, maybe even longer than Tenergy, G-1 especially. Rakza 7 is up there too, so is Rakza Z. I find that Rakza X is not as grippy, it's more smooth, so it doesn't last as long but still fairly long. Vega's last at least as long as Rakza X, even though they're supposedly less "premium" rubbers, Pro, X and Japan last especially long, Europe a bit less so. I'm not as familiar with Omega VII's life span. I do think you can get 4 good months at 9-12 hours a week out of all the rubbers I've listed so far.Completely agree with you. BTW, I am looking for some inputs on the life of rubbers like Nittaku Fastarc G-1, C-1, Yasaka Rakza X or anything else which is in affordable price range. I met a guy yesterday who came from NY. He was using MXP both sides. He told me that he plays 20 hrs per week and he changes his rubbers every month! That is something which I cannot afford. I play for 9-12 hrs in a week and I want my rubbers to last for about 4 months. Do let me know your experiences with Brands like Nittaku, Yasaka and Xiom.
G-1 and C-1 last very long, maybe even longer than Tenergy, G-1 especially. Rakza 7 is up there too, so is Rakza Z. I find that Rakza X is not as grippy, it's more smooth, so it doesn't last as long but still fairly long. Vega's last at least as long as Rakza X, even though they're supposedly less "premium" rubbers, Pro, X and Japan last especially long, Europe a bit less so. I'm not as familiar with Omega VII's life span. I do think you can get 4 good months at 9-12 hours a week out of all the rubbers I've listed so far.
What information, specifically, was helpful to you?Thanks for the information.
Not the first blanket statement, hey! I also noticed a few. 😉What information, specifically, was helpful to you?
Hey Latej,Hi Thomas,
when I saw that both you and virtuososiu are looking for BH rubber in the thread about H3, I thought about Rakza Z (even though it is harder on paper than 47.5 which virtuososiu seems to be looking for). I didn't recommend it there, because I thought it would be intruding, even thought I know other people value this rubber too, e.g. IB66 and Tango. I quite liked Rakza Z too. Now I see you tried it... I'd like to ask about your experience with it, and why didn't you stick with it? It is just my curiosity
Omega 7 Asia is highly recommended as a bh rubber.
Hello Yogi,
Will not O7A be too hard for the backhand? Ya, few players who prefer harder rubbers on the backhand might like it as it is style dependent but normally players who prefer to topspin on both wings prefer harder rubbers on the FH and a bit softer rubber on the backhand.
G-1 and C-1 last very long, maybe even longer than Tenergy, G-1 especially. Rakza 7 is up there too, so is Rakza Z. I find that Rakza X is not as grippy, it's more smooth, so it doesn't last as long but still fairly long. Vega's last at least as long as Rakza X, even though they're supposedly less "premium" rubbers, Pro, X and Japan last especially long, Europe a bit less so. I'm not as familiar with Omega VII's life span. I do think you can get 4 good months at 9-12 hours a week out of all the rubbers I've listed so far.
MX-P also lasts a fairly long time, but like all other European brands' ESN rubbers (Andro, Donic, Stiga), it looses its factory-tuned booster effect after a couple of weeks, so it feels different, not bad, but different. Rasanters don't seem to last that long though, in comparison, but I've heard that's been improved with R48. Joola, I'm not familiar with, Victas, not enough.
I play 8-10 hours per week, I seem to change my rubbers every 4-6 months, more often than not every 6 months. Tenergy, Fastarc and Rozena seem to last and keep their quality intact the longest. I have a friend in LA who uses Tenergy both sides and plays 10 hours per week, he changes his rubbers every month, it's a choice. I've bought his used rubbers before, they were in great shape, and I could play with them for another 4-6 months. I bet you could buy that NY guy's used MX-P's and play them for another 2 months at least.
Thanks for the elaborate reply Thomas, I really appreciate your effort and time to answer my query. I also play around 12 hours (max.) every week and I think your choice of rubbers is same as mine. I, however, also read that you prefer H3Neo which might be a completely unexplored option for me as I haven't played with Chinese rubbers ever.
I am getting more and more interested in Nittaku and Yasaka rubbers from the life Vs. Performance point of view and would try them once my current stock of O7P is finished (which might be till 2022 )