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Maybe the German clubs are thinking the plastic ball may become r & d gone bad therefore the celluloid will be reinstated.
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Hahaha :-DThis stuff really gets to your brain - now I can't stop picturing you, hitting away with your Tapatalk phone and a fresh Donic rubber glued onto it.
Nurses, please!
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Hey guys,
I'd very much appreciate tips to adapt to the plastic ball. It's our first season (kind of) playing with that ball ("kind of" because clubs can still choose the type of ball in our region - so sometimes I'd play matches with plastic and sometimes with celluloid.). And honestly, it's been the worst season I've ever played. Very often I'd lose to players that I'd usually beat without breaking a sweat - simply because I miss way too many strokes.
Just recently, I've played a few matches in a tournament with celluloid and somehow the feeling was great - I was wondering why. Well, I guess it's because of the ball.
So with the plastic ball, it seems like I just cannot generate enough spin. I have to use a lot of power but the resulted stroke itself isn't powerful at all - and often just lands in the net/goes too far because of lack of spin. I've always been a spin oriented player, so that's been a problem to me. The last seasons, I would often open up with a softer slower topspin which'd lead to a direct point but nowadays with the plastic ball - well, it just doesn't work.
I cannot kill higher backspin balls either - I'm not sure why, it seems like that requires much more power to do, I'd put that into the net way too often.
Sure, it's still all me, I gotta improve my strokes - it's all a matter of training - but it's been 1/2 year playing with the ball and I've almost always been frustrated coming home from TT. That shouldn't be the case, I always loved TT and I'd hope to keep that - so I really need tips from you guys. What are specific tips to adapt to the new ball?
You might need to update your setup.. plastic balls require bit more effort for the spin-oriented player and over time it takes its toll if you’re using a somewhat slower setup.
That being said, are you getting any sort of coaching? do you make regular videos of your gameplay and do the analysis? It is possible that you are making some basic mistakes without realising it..
In my opinion if your technique is adequate and your footwork is Ok, plastic ball should NOT cause significant problems..
Hope this helps, good luck with your game.
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Well it is what it is. Lamenting won't change a bit so might as well we just try to make the best of it.
The other option is to only play in official tournaments and higher leagues, 'cause they had to use the p-balls from day one or rather... 2014. But that's not very realistic for an amateur player.
Yep. It's about all you can do. And time will eventually cure this.
Still, I have to mention that back about four years ago when this was all starting out, I noticed that compared to people in North America, European posters at various forums were on average far more set on the idea that they would resist the change, that they would stock up on celluloid balls, or that celluloid balls would never go away. I suggested to some posters fairly early on that Nittaku Premiums and seamless balls were quite decent but that viewpoint was definitely not popular with that contingent. The thing is that this attitude has really come back to bite them in the ass, exactly as I tried to explain in 2014 (when it was clear to me that we had at least some types of playable 40+ balls, acknowledging up front that the cellulose acetate ones were unplayable).
Maybe my city is just different, but by the end of 2014 everyone here was using Nittaku Premium or XSF. It is still true that the variability of 40+ balls is greater than the celluloid era (both of those balls are ok but are quite different from each other). But even that variability would go away if we all accept the ABS standard.
The one thing that is absolutely certain is that our sport will never go back to 40 mm celluloid.
Hey guys,
I'd very much appreciate tips to adapt to the plastic ball. It's our first season (kind of) playing with that ball ("kind of" because clubs can still choose the type of ball in our region - so sometimes I'd play matches with plastic and sometimes with celluloid.). And honestly, it's been the worst season I've ever played. Very often I'd lose to players that I'd usually beat without breaking a sweat - simply because I miss way too many strokes.
Just recently, I've played a few matches in a tournament with celluloid and somehow the feeling was great - I was wondering why. Well, I guess it's because of the ball.
So with the plastic ball, it seems like I just cannot generate enough spin. I have to use a lot of power but the resulted stroke itself isn't powerful at all - and often just lands in the net/goes too far because of lack of spin. I've always been a spin oriented player, so that's been a problem to me. The last seasons, I would often open up with a softer slower topspin which'd lead to a direct point but nowadays with the plastic ball - well, it just doesn't work.
I cannot kill higher backspin balls either - I'm not sure why, it seems like that requires much more power to do, I'd put that into the net way too often.
Sure, it's still all me, I gotta improve my strokes - it's all a matter of training - but it's been 1/2 year playing with the ball and I've almost always been frustrated coming home from TT. That shouldn't be the case, I always loved TT and I'd hope to keep that - so I really need tips from you guys. What are specific tips to adapt to the new ball?
I recommend
XIOM DF (Vega & Omega ) rubbers
DHS Hurricane 3 (But if you have bit more money go for regional, as performance varies bit much)
Yasaka Rising Dragon (Not sure if they have this rubber in Europe)
Mizuno Q3 (Also not sure if this rubber is available in Europe)
<br><br>I'm not getting much coaching. Sure, of course, I do have weaknesses in my technique, e.g. my BH is weak and my FH is not as good as I'd like it to be. I'd also still consider myself a developing player and trying to improve my technique every session. But yeah, of course, I do have to improve my technique.<br><br>You might need to update your setup.. plastic balls require bit more effort for the spin-oriented player and over time it takes its toll if you’re using a somewhat slower setup.<br>That being said, are you getting any sort of coaching? do you make regular videos of your gameplay and do the analysis? It is possible that you are making some basic mistakes without realising it..<br>In my opinion if your technique is adequate and your footwork is Ok, plastic ball should NOT cause significant problems.. <br>Hope this helps, good luck with your game.<br><br>
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<br><br>Hey, I may try looking into some new material. Thanks for your suggestions!<br><br>Hey Kezer,<br><br>About the plastic ball, i seriously think it is going to be a while until we find a "common" plastic ball for the market world wide. I think few advices given below are good. <br>I've was in charge of European market for about 4 years, I hear your frustration. But I think you have to wait until next season where plastic ball becomes mandatory for all games. <br><br>Just for some info. <br>When ITTF announced that they will ban celluloid ball, and will ask to use Plastic ball.<br>Most of the researchers in our company (and probably other company's R&D) knew that more players will be shifting to more tackier rubber. That is why starting with VEGA CHINA, we've been launching tacky rubbers. And afterward we've launched DF (Dynamic friction) rubbers to help to cope with new plastic ball. <br>If you are spin based player, i recommend you to "try" (not a must) some rubbers with tackier top sheets. OR rubbers that are made to cope well with plastic ball also. <br><br>I recommend <br>XIOM DF (Vega & Omega ) rubbers <br>DHS Hurricane 3 (But if you have bit more money go for regional, as performance varies bit much)<br>Yasaka Rising Dragon (Not sure if they have this rubber in Europe)<br>Mizuno Q3 (Also not sure if this rubber is available in Europe)
<br><br>That's funny. Our club plays with these Hanno balls and imo those are the worst ones concerning spin. I remember when we started playing with that ball... I played against a blocking player to whom I'd win 60-70% but well with the introduction of that ball I lost like 10 times in a row. And I wasn't even close to a victory that time. The ball does make a difference.<br><br>Man today sucked, I played with the seamless Hanno ball and there was no spin at all in the game. On the racket spin is generated but as soon as it bounces on the table it is all gone. My pushes were with barely any spin and it bounced super high, my opponent who I usually beat could smash many of my underspin balls, ridiculous. I might get a Tenergy 05 although it was always hard to tame for me but with this new ball... it should not be a problem I guess?
<br><br>Of course, you can still generate spin, yeah. And yes, you could always blame the material when instead you could work on yourself. But I think it's not in question that the new ball has changed our game. Certain styles just profit while others don't.<br><br><br>Quite a nice discussion in this thread, thanks guys!<br><br><br>If with the plastic ball there was "no spin at all" possible how can defenders or defensive players even still exist and win games? There is slightly less spin involved, I'd agree with that. But with decent technique you are still able to generate massive amounts of spin. Can't hear that "argument" anymore, it is nonsense. If your opponent was able to smash all your pushes then because the quality of your pushes was awful. Improve that and don't blame the plastic ball for your mistakes.