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A qualified yes in as far as I have used T05 on FH fairly recently.
Glayzer feels far less reactive and easier to control (less trampoline/bouncy) - but also less spin and speed but more effort required than T05.
I cannot handle T05 in match situations and play consistently (but I love it in practice) but I can handle Glayzer.
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The more reviews the more different opinions. At this moment I don’t know what to think about glayzers.
I’ll still stick to t05+t64 so far as it suits best for me at this moment and the more I read about new equipment the less I know to what “modern” rubbers should go next.
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Had a playing session with the Glayzer 09c today and even though there might be a benefit of learning this "new" rubber and adjusting the technique, i simply can't get excited about it.
For me coming from the G-1 on the forehand it is just way to unforgiving when opening up. Penetrating the sponge is harder (obviously) and that leads to very soft balls to be harder to loop with activating the sponge. the G09c is awesome for short pushes and passive play over the table, but that is not really what i would describe as exciting part of table tennis. Since it takes more speed to brush and more power to active the sponge i had occasions where i got a loop out of the rubber that was perhaps 80% of the spin of the G-1 but the execution had to be very carefull. Hitting it just a little too hard while still trying to somewhat brush once even made the ball fly in a straight line threatening to punch a whole into the wall
The sponge hardness is just way too different from my comfort zone to play it. If i want to go "harder" i will use the Rakza Z or PK 50 Sieger instead. They are also very good on the short touch game, but easier to open up with.
For me coming from the G-1 on the forehand it is just way to unforgiving when opening up. Penetrating the sponge is harder (obviously) and that leads to very soft balls to be harder to loop with activating the sponge. the G09c is awesome for short pushes and passive play over the table, but that is not really what i would describe as exciting part of table tennis. Since it takes more speed to brush and more power to active the sponge i had occasions where i got a loop out of the rubber that was perhaps 80% of the spin of the G-1 but the execution had to be very carefull. Hitting it just a little too hard while still trying to somewhat brush once even made the ball fly in a straight line threatening to punch a whole into the wall
The sponge hardness is just way too different from my comfort zone to play it. If i want to go "harder" i will use the Rakza Z or PK 50 Sieger instead. They are also very good on the short touch game, but easier to open up with.
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May be a silly question but given what you have said and that you play G1 then why did you not choose regular Glayzer to try - it's much closer to what you might like.Had a playing session with the Glayzer 09c today and even though there might be a benefit of learning this "new" rubber and adjusting the technique, i simply can't get excited about it.
For me coming from the G-1 on the forehand it is just way to unforgiving when opening up. Penetrating the sponge is harder (obviously) and that leads to very soft balls to be harder to loop with activating the sponge. the G09c is awesome for short pushes and passive play over the table, but that is not really what i would describe as exciting part of table tennis. Since it takes more speed to brush and more power to active the sponge i had occasions where i got a loop out of the rubber that was perhaps 80% of the spin of the G-1 but the execution had to be very carefull. Hitting it just a little too hard while still trying to somewhat brush once even made the ball fly in a straight line threatening to punch a whole into the wall
The sponge hardness is just way too different from my comfort zone to play it. If i want to go "harder" i will use the Rakza Z or PK 50 Sieger instead. They are also very good on the short touch game, but easier to open up with.
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I do like tacky rubbers like the Rakza Z or Sieger PK50 for my backhand and also found the dignics 09c nice (even for the forehand), so the G09c was the obvious choice. I am primarily going for spin and not power and do like the high arc the G-1 and Rakza Z allow.
Having something lower than that would not be something i would appreciate. If i just want a harder G-1, i could simply go with the PK50 on the forehand.
One thing that was speaking for the g09c was that it was massively slower than the G-1 and i could go for a speed downgrade if the spin is the same. WIth the Glayzer 05 i would not know if it was really a speed downgrade, while keeping the spinning ability.
In hindsight i could have bought one glayzer 05 and one glayzer 09c, but i wanted to try the g09c on two different blades. That's 90€ down the drain, but it's ok.
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Here is another review of Glayzer 09c, but also a direct comparison by segments with Dignics 09c.
I've been playing with the Dignics 09c for three years now, but I've also tried a lot of other hybrid rubbers, so here are my impressions after a week of testing the Glayzer 09c.
I've been playing with the Dignics 09c for three years now, but I've also tried a lot of other hybrid rubbers, so here are my impressions after a week of testing the Glayzer 09c.
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I had the chance of finally trying out Glayzer and Glayzer 09c both in 2.1mm on my W968. I glued them on that blade since with Rozena and Tenergy I always felt they are more lively with innerforce type blades.
I think I agree with the findings of most of the guys before me.
Glayzer 09c I really liked on my forehand. On passive shots it's pretty slow, passive blocks are slow but I like it since it encourages me to be more active and not just rely on the blade and rubber so it makes my game a bit more active and aggressive.
Once you do start to play actively it's not slow at all. It's actually very bouncy and powerful. Like Tenergy is nowhere and I am not even sure if D09c is faster... Spinwise it's not as spinny as D09c for sure but G09c arc is very similar and there is no shortage of spin. Close to the table I think G09c is superior by a lot since it's not that difficult to make fast shots with it and one has less time to wind up for a very powerful shot from close. On very high level maybe D09c gives some extra possibilities but I think Butterfly kinda shot themselves in the foot on this one. I see no reason to buy D09c over G09c unless someone likes D09c on backhand. On backhand G09c I think is a bit difficult to use. Maybe with a faster blade like a Viscaria or Super Viscaria or some outer ZLC blade it works better but on BH I didn't like it at all while D09c was pretty good.
Glayzer is a more difficult one to discuss. For normal blocking, hitting, spinning game it's maybe the best rubber I tried. If the ball has pace (aka not coming from some disgusting material) and has forward spin I think Glayzer is better than Tenergy. It holds the ball the most of all the rubbers that I have tried. Very long ball holding and very clicky. The topsheet is stretchy too, and to me the sponge felt soft. They say it's 38 degrees but I think it's softer or more supple than T05.
Since I'm a lefty I get a lot of hard hits and spinny open ups on my BH side and I loved counter spinning above the table with the Glayzer. Due to the long ball holding it's probably the best rubber for this kind of shot.
One could argue that this is one of the most important shots in tabletennis above a certain level. It was excellent against heavy open up spins, I deliberately practiced that with my training partner.
Stepping back a bit and driving from a few steps back is effortless too and again it holds the ball and it's just super nice.
Where I kinda struggled with Glayzer was open ups. Maybe I need to get used to it but it doesn't have the kick and extra umpf that Tenergy gives. Or it just doesn't give it as cheaply as Tenergy, MX-S, G-1 etc etc. Against backspin balls it feels like it drops the ball if there's not enough swing on my BH. But on other times I had enough momentum in my swing and it did produce a high quality ball. Anyways I'm pretty sure that it's an iffy rubber against backspin balls even if I get used to it. It's a bit worrying since against players that use pips or other "materials" it seems like a weak rubber.
I think the topsheets on both are very strong. They grip the ball very well and I tested it with very used balls that slip from many rubbers. The Glayzers don't slip at all, super good grip on the ball.
Glayzer was very good for banana flicks. At first I didn't find the right way to do it, but then I started trusting the rubber and the grip it has and it's excellent.
I also think spring sponge X at 38deg feels softer than spring sponge at 36deg. Maybe this is what Butterfly has been on about that spring sponge X eats the ball 14%??? better than spring sponge.
They are both pretty light rubbers, with my 91g W968 and 3 layers of high viscosity Revo 3 glue my setup is 188g. W968 has a larger head than BTY standard so with BTY head shape the rubbers will be even lighter.
For 45EUR both Glayzer are very good, I doubt I would pay similar money for K3, C2, ZGR, MX-P, V>15E or even G-1 over them. I imagine the durability of the Glayzers will be much better too.
I think it's ideal to buy both for FH and BH, it just makes sense, and while I said Glayzer is a bit iffy, out of the two rubbers that surprised me the more in a good way.
G09c is just very nice actually.
I think I agree with the findings of most of the guys before me.
Glayzer 09c I really liked on my forehand. On passive shots it's pretty slow, passive blocks are slow but I like it since it encourages me to be more active and not just rely on the blade and rubber so it makes my game a bit more active and aggressive.
Once you do start to play actively it's not slow at all. It's actually very bouncy and powerful. Like Tenergy is nowhere and I am not even sure if D09c is faster... Spinwise it's not as spinny as D09c for sure but G09c arc is very similar and there is no shortage of spin. Close to the table I think G09c is superior by a lot since it's not that difficult to make fast shots with it and one has less time to wind up for a very powerful shot from close. On very high level maybe D09c gives some extra possibilities but I think Butterfly kinda shot themselves in the foot on this one. I see no reason to buy D09c over G09c unless someone likes D09c on backhand. On backhand G09c I think is a bit difficult to use. Maybe with a faster blade like a Viscaria or Super Viscaria or some outer ZLC blade it works better but on BH I didn't like it at all while D09c was pretty good.
Glayzer is a more difficult one to discuss. For normal blocking, hitting, spinning game it's maybe the best rubber I tried. If the ball has pace (aka not coming from some disgusting material) and has forward spin I think Glayzer is better than Tenergy. It holds the ball the most of all the rubbers that I have tried. Very long ball holding and very clicky. The topsheet is stretchy too, and to me the sponge felt soft. They say it's 38 degrees but I think it's softer or more supple than T05.
Since I'm a lefty I get a lot of hard hits and spinny open ups on my BH side and I loved counter spinning above the table with the Glayzer. Due to the long ball holding it's probably the best rubber for this kind of shot.
One could argue that this is one of the most important shots in tabletennis above a certain level. It was excellent against heavy open up spins, I deliberately practiced that with my training partner.
Stepping back a bit and driving from a few steps back is effortless too and again it holds the ball and it's just super nice.
Where I kinda struggled with Glayzer was open ups. Maybe I need to get used to it but it doesn't have the kick and extra umpf that Tenergy gives. Or it just doesn't give it as cheaply as Tenergy, MX-S, G-1 etc etc. Against backspin balls it feels like it drops the ball if there's not enough swing on my BH. But on other times I had enough momentum in my swing and it did produce a high quality ball. Anyways I'm pretty sure that it's an iffy rubber against backspin balls even if I get used to it. It's a bit worrying since against players that use pips or other "materials" it seems like a weak rubber.
I think the topsheets on both are very strong. They grip the ball very well and I tested it with very used balls that slip from many rubbers. The Glayzers don't slip at all, super good grip on the ball.
Glayzer was very good for banana flicks. At first I didn't find the right way to do it, but then I started trusting the rubber and the grip it has and it's excellent.
I also think spring sponge X at 38deg feels softer than spring sponge at 36deg. Maybe this is what Butterfly has been on about that spring sponge X eats the ball 14%??? better than spring sponge.
They are both pretty light rubbers, with my 91g W968 and 3 layers of high viscosity Revo 3 glue my setup is 188g. W968 has a larger head than BTY standard so with BTY head shape the rubbers will be even lighter.
For 45EUR both Glayzer are very good, I doubt I would pay similar money for K3, C2, ZGR, MX-P, V>15E or even G-1 over them. I imagine the durability of the Glayzers will be much better too.
I think it's ideal to buy both for FH and BH, it just makes sense, and while I said Glayzer is a bit iffy, out of the two rubbers that surprised me the more in a good way.
G09c is just very nice actually.
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I tried Glayzer on an SPW and a Feel AX (vis structure) and strangely enough I felt like I got a better response from the topsheet especially vs backspin with it on the Feel AX.
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Hmm, maybe it works better with harder blades. Since the sponge is so soft the harder koto and outer carbon helps. But honestly, it didn't feel like I lack bottom plate strength with the W968, it's rare I find a rubber that works from close, where I can do continuous BH spinning and the rubber always arcs the ball on the table and then I step back and I can drive effortlessly too.
I think the sponge is too soft for powerful and high quality open ups, or I just need to adjust to it.
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I was sick the past few weeks, probably Covid, but who knows so last Friday I tested the Glayzers and since I'm not in training much on today's match I was like frack it I will play with them. Pretty much yolo, but they felt good on Friday so it wasn't totally baseless.
Just some observations from my matches today since that is fairly varied and random play and it shows the rubbers shortcomings and what I would need to adjust.
G09c, I think it's very-very capable. For me it's much easier to use than D09c, and it's clicky so it gives a lot of confidence for me to swing big.
I could do very heavy opening spins with it, with harder rubbers I don't think I can create so much spin, even with D09c, but maybe I lack power to do it. I really don't see how Tenergy could compete, maybe the T05Hard can, but everything else there's just no way.
But I did dump a few balls in the net since I tried to just passively block them. Can't do that with G09c, on passive play it's super slow. Even some of my FH pushes went into the net. But at the same time I really didn't pop up any balls too high or long, you can do with it what you want. Once you start hitting hard it actually also feels softer than the 42deg rating and has speedglue click. It's awesome. I honestly only had issues with it for passive play, but this I have to just adjust to, really simple fix.
Glayzer, it's soft indeed lol. I had more trouble with serve receives since it's bouncy against spin. Since the sponge and the sheet is soft the incoming spin can stretch it and it kicks back. This needs time to get used to. In the beginning, I was a bit scared about this but later I tried to be more brave and determined with my receives and it worked better. Probably I could've chiquita'd some but I didn't have the confidence on match. Maybe it's actually more sensitive than Tenergy... but the topsheet has so good grip, it's such a confusingly good rubber.
But I only had issue against one player to be honest, he had some weird serves, against everyone else I was very fine. Over the table play is pretty good with it actually.
Probably my biggest surprise was that I did many open ups with it and my opponent complained several times that the ball doesn't bounce up as high as it should and they couldn't deal with it. Again I am a lefty and I opened up mostly on their forehand. It means to me that it makes very decent spin. However doing one shot BH flashy Kreanga style "openups" against backspin is so far not possible with this rubber. Which is a bit sad since I really like to do them.
But if you just clench your ass and dial back your face and do a proper open up it produces more heavy spin than anticipated.
Oh btw I did win all my matches one of them from 0-2 behind because of nasty serves. Sometimes yolo is not so bad, or asking for a card on 19... Don't wanna steal Igors line but I am be happy.
Just some observations from my matches today since that is fairly varied and random play and it shows the rubbers shortcomings and what I would need to adjust.
G09c, I think it's very-very capable. For me it's much easier to use than D09c, and it's clicky so it gives a lot of confidence for me to swing big.
I could do very heavy opening spins with it, with harder rubbers I don't think I can create so much spin, even with D09c, but maybe I lack power to do it. I really don't see how Tenergy could compete, maybe the T05Hard can, but everything else there's just no way.
But I did dump a few balls in the net since I tried to just passively block them. Can't do that with G09c, on passive play it's super slow. Even some of my FH pushes went into the net. But at the same time I really didn't pop up any balls too high or long, you can do with it what you want. Once you start hitting hard it actually also feels softer than the 42deg rating and has speedglue click. It's awesome. I honestly only had issues with it for passive play, but this I have to just adjust to, really simple fix.
Glayzer, it's soft indeed lol. I had more trouble with serve receives since it's bouncy against spin. Since the sponge and the sheet is soft the incoming spin can stretch it and it kicks back. This needs time to get used to. In the beginning, I was a bit scared about this but later I tried to be more brave and determined with my receives and it worked better. Probably I could've chiquita'd some but I didn't have the confidence on match. Maybe it's actually more sensitive than Tenergy... but the topsheet has so good grip, it's such a confusingly good rubber.
But I only had issue against one player to be honest, he had some weird serves, against everyone else I was very fine. Over the table play is pretty good with it actually.
Probably my biggest surprise was that I did many open ups with it and my opponent complained several times that the ball doesn't bounce up as high as it should and they couldn't deal with it. Again I am a lefty and I opened up mostly on their forehand. It means to me that it makes very decent spin. However doing one shot BH flashy Kreanga style "openups" against backspin is so far not possible with this rubber. Which is a bit sad since I really like to do them.
But if you just clench your ass and dial back your face and do a proper open up it produces more heavy spin than anticipated.
Oh btw I did win all my matches one of them from 0-2 behind because of nasty serves. Sometimes yolo is not so bad, or asking for a card on 19... Don't wanna steal Igors line but I am be happy.
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If you have a strong swing it's probably very good. If you don't have a strong swing D09c is much better. If you don't wanna spend G-1, Rozena, Tenergy...
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48g cut to DHS head, probably around 47g cut to standard BTY head. 09c about a 1g heavier. They are both light.
One more thing, Glayzers have different smell than Rozena or Tenergy or Dignics, they smell more like natural rubber, which is pretty bonkers since they feel like they have a lot of synthetic material during play compared to said rubbers. Oh well let's just quote @brokenball that humans are not bloodhounds and human noses can't make a difference between synthetic or natural rubber especially if our noses have been misguided before for decades.
That being said Glayzers smell different than said rubbers.
One more thing, Glayzers have different smell than Rozena or Tenergy or Dignics, they smell more like natural rubber, which is pretty bonkers since they feel like they have a lot of synthetic material during play compared to said rubbers. Oh well let's just quote @brokenball that humans are not bloodhounds and human noses can't make a difference between synthetic or natural rubber especially if our noses have been misguided before for decades.
That being said Glayzers smell different than said rubbers.
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You got me red-handed here, I meant calibrated machines.
In my defense I was looking at cute puppy videos before so I was still daydreaming about them.
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