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This problem haven't solved? 😂

Now I'm thinking using pips on both sides. Short and long. I may be able to beat more athletic and skilled players. LOL
The best combo imo is pips BH + inverted FH. Use inverted FH to serve, pips to disgust opponents and then inverted finish off weaker balls. It can be incredibly strong. Even at pro level you can see this style being employed quite successfully in the women's game.
 
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Fang Yinchi recently played a few challenge matches against some very high level amateurs.

1 was double inverted, the other was BH anti FH inverted.

He absolutely destroyed the double inverted player but actually visibly struggled a bit with the anti player because the anti balls were weird af.

So yeah, weirdness pays off quite a bit in TT.
 
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Fang Yinchi recently played a few challenge matches against some very high level amateurs.

1 was double inverted, the other was BH anti FH inverted.

He absolutely destroyed the double inverted player but actually visibly struggled a bit with the anti player because the anti balls were weird af.

So yeah, weirdness pays off quite a bit in TT.
U got it all wrong... :D of course the Koreans try to use this as the first way... and use that way damned well... but those LP wielding lipstick wearing O40 women's crowd over there actually trains longer hours to use their LP to negate the dead long balls and even hit it a little hard with pips to middle to F the enemy up... so THEY gotta pay for the chicken and beer dinner that gets WAY outta hand after the comp...
 
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THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IS THAT IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY AND YOU PRACTICE MORE AGAINST PIPS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BEAT THIS PLAYER.
IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY HE WILL MOST LIKELY CONTINUE BEATING YOU EASILY NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU PLAY.
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The best combo imo is pips BH + inverted FH. Use inverted FH to serve, pips to disgust opponents and then inverted finish off weaker balls. It can be incredibly strong. Even at pro level you can see this style being employed quite successfully in the women's game.
I'm considering. My BH loop sucks. LOL

But what about this girl Kyoka Idesawa. She played pips on both sides. Qian Tianyi almost lost in the game. QT was the women world top 10 at that time.


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THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IS THAT IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY AND YOU PRACTICE MORE AGAINST PIPS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BEAT THIS PLAYER.
IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY HE WILL MOST LIKELY CONTINUE BEATING YOU EASILY NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU PLAY.
The biggest misconception is that if you practice more against pips you will enjoy table tennis more. It will only make your training sessions less fun.
 
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I'm considering. My BH loop sucks. LOL

But what about this girl Kyoka Idesawa. She played pips on both sides. Qian Tianyi almost lost in the game. QT was the women world top 10 at that time.


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The biggest problem with pips both sides is that pips serve is a lot less threatening than inverted. Idesawa is a pro and also a lefty and definitely has put in a huge amount of work in her serve.

If you have inverted FH it allows you to really gain advantage with your serve, but still being able to neutralize opponent's serve advantage with the pips (since they are not so spin sensitive). This serve/receive asymmetric advantage helps to win games for pips players.

The other aspect is that inverted allows max difference from pips which can be more disruptive than a double pips combo.
 
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The biggest misconception is that if you practice more against pips you will enjoy table tennis more. It will only make your training sessions less fun.
I'm considering. My BH loop sucks. LOL

But what about this girl Kyoka Idesawa. She played pips on both sides. Qian Tianyi almost lost in the game. QT was the women world top 10 at that time.


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Are you prepare to lose friend?

LP players, if you are there for social, be prepare to have fewer social games.

If you are competitive players in an acadeny setting where you are assigned by the coach as the designated practice partner for the said academy star players, then be prepare to spar a lot.

Which one are you?
 
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THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IS THAT IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY AND YOU PRACTICE MORE AGAINST PIPS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BEAT THIS PLAYER.
IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY HE WILL MOST LIKELY CONTINUE BEATING YOU EASILY NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU PLAY.

The biggest misconception is that if you practice more against pips you will enjoy table tennis more. It will only make your training sessions less fun.

I guess it takes all kinds and perhaps some people learn differently than others. But, then, at a certain point, some people just stop learning in general. So.....And since fun is really a subjective thing, what will be fun for one person will not be as fun for another.

But, it is possible that the skills to read what a LP or Anti player is doing, improving on reading spin, reading the the play and making intelligent choices in rallies vs those kinds of players do take a while so, can be frustrating at first.

And, if you are playing an opponent who is able to keep you from playing the way you want to, that can be frustrating. But any player who is higher level than you can do that to you in any number of ways if he wants to. I have played guys who were so much better than me that they just played nice because there really wasn't much I could do to pressure a 2500 level player. l have played 2 winged looping players who were maybe 2 levels higher than me and, because I could pressure them, they made playing against them torture because it made it so they could get more easy points.

When I play someone lower level than me, I make it so they can't figure out what is going on or why they keep popping the ball up to give me easy attacks, float the ball, or dump the ball into the net.

Talk to @Der_Echte about grip pressure on return of serve and short game. Ask him how he can drive opponents crazy and have them look at his racket to see if he is using pips or anti because they can't figure out what he is doing. :)

At a certain point, your brain should start processing the information of what spin is on the ball faster. You should be able to start reading the spin on those balls better, not just from the contact but from the path, the arc, the flight of the ball and the bounce. If you only look at racket contact, you will get fooled by any good player. If you learn to watch the ball and read how much spin is on the ball from the ball, and which spin is on the ball from its flight pattern and bounce.....then dealing with different rubbers like LP and Anti becomes a much more interesting game in many ways. And if you know what you are doing against those guys, you can force them to give you balls you want by what you give them: provided you are actually a better player than them.

If you know what you are doing against LP and Anti and get good at playing vs those frustrating kinds of players, most people's return of serve and short game would also improve as a result.

However, it is okay to avoid playing them. You don't have to play that kind of player if you don't want to. Nothing wrong with doing what you do well and enjoying that part of the game. But that doesn't mean that players who don't give you balls you like should be banned. You just don't have to play vs them.
 
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Recently played a long pips player....

Hideously outta shape, didn't move, no forehand, one backhand shot .... the most joyless futile experience of my year thus far....I happily lost 11-1 - 11-1 - 11-3 just to exit the anticipated joyless experience...if you cannot play the game - indeed any sport that was clear from his stature (being polite) please pop to butlins find the nearest dartboard and leave this beautiful game in peace...

I am still curious about your equipment. I know some other people tried to interpret what your blade might be. But, what is your blade? Is it what other people guessed?
 
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Love all the comments...

It's thus...

I win more matches when stepping up to div 1 than div 2(I play div 2 as my buddy plays div 2...) the reason I win more in div 1 is because I play opponents that play 'table tennis' not some bored expressionless opponent standing at the end of the table with a piece of deadwood with long pimples attached...🙃
 
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Sorry...yeah...I use Paul Shila fantastic blade, terrific speed for such a light blade...K3 hybrid FH Joola CMD BH...

Who was Paul Shila and can you post a link to that blade, or show a photo of your actual blade? I can't find anything about a table tennis player named Paul Shila or a Tibhar blade with that name either? When did you get it?
 
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THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IS THAT IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY AND YOU PRACTICE MORE AGAINST PIPS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BEAT THIS PLAYER.
IF A PLAYER WITH PIPS BEATS YOU EASILY HE WILL MOST LIKELY CONTINUE BEATING YOU EASILY NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU PLAY.
This is absolutely true and a very good point.
Even if you understand everything you're supposed to do and practice a LOT you can still find yourself playing against a superior player. In which case you need years to beat them!
Nevertheless it's good practice and will allow you to beat pips players at your own level
 
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My two cents as a player who switched to LP since May. I set out to try LP, in a close to the table attacking style, using the LP to create angles and set up my forehand.
Tried some OX, but that wasn't up my alley, I prefer the attacking capabilities the bit of sponge gives me.

My current league season I am on 6 out of 9 singles matches won. My 3 losses were against 2 veterans about 150/200 ELO above me, who knew exactly what to do against my pips. Other loss was a close match with a guy who happily let me attack and took a step back, ended 12-10 to him in the 5th.

The biggest complement I got was "goddamn, they should ban pips" after destroying all 3 players of a team 3-0. With that comment I know it only shows my opponents didn't know how to play against LP, as the week before I got beat twice by players who did know what to do.

If I may give advice to play against LP, is vary spin, especially no spin and heavy backspin. Also, dont shy away from serving into the pips, just make sure it's a serve thats uncomfortable for pips. Long backspin serves, or fast flat serves into the pips are my nightmare. LP loves to get spin, but hates speed, at least in my experience.
 
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