So you cant play what most players call table tennis the way you want (which is winning no matter what) and feel bad coz of some other players want to win just like you but use another "work around". Okaaayi am really only sort of good at serve and receive and getting the 1st loop in. Once it gets to the rally I am a lot weaker because I just dont train enough on the table and didnt start young enough to have good muscle memory. Blame having too many things in life, i am only playing maybe once a week at best for only 1-2 hrs...
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No, because serve/receive is very technically difficult. You have to work for it, unlike someone who just uses some anti or LP, which is just lazy and ugly....
i would say that people who don't train with their equipment are easily beatable. i mean nothing dangerous happens if you do nothing with an anti or with pips. it just becomes dangerous if they know what they are doing and have a gameplan to get to the strokes they want, same like players with grippy rubbers
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I am not talking about the entire game, but simply serve receive.
Your argument is invalid because everyone trains hard with their equipment, be it pips or inverted.
But anti or pips really makes it super easy to receive serves, and pretty much makes it a braindead hack for ppl who cant master the art of serve receive.
sorry i misunderstood. yes it can be way easier to receive a serve with different material. but grippy rubbers also have differences. if someone uses tibhar MX-P then they will having a really hard time compared to a rubber like donic coppa just for example. but what does it matter, the return with such rubber will not be super dangerous so mostly an easy next ball for you
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Correct, those rubbers dont feel unfair to play against. I can serve all my sidespin serves without the fear that the sidespin will be used against me in a bad way.
With anti or LP you can produce a sidespin ball that kicks in the opposite direction of your stroke... they can brush the ball in a clockwise direction and the ball can still go in an anticlockwise direction. This is extremely disturbing to have to deal with.
I dont serve complex sidespin serves against LP/anti and i think most higher lvl players dont either for the same reasons.
i don't really understand, i mean you know what LP is doing to your serve, so you know what comes back and then you know what to do against, so what is the difference to playing a grippy rubber? and if you have problems to play a third ball on the different sidespin you are used to, why not just play a different serve then? i mean any other player could have a nasty receive with grippy rubbers you never encounterd on your serve before and you would need to adapt in a game situation, so i don't see the difference here
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When other players have a nasty receive with grippy rubbers, it is not playing around with your mind like what LP does. It is not easy to adjust your mind to treat a ball as counterclockwise when you just saw a clockwise movement from your opponent. With some pips it is worse because they can selectively choose to reverse the spin or not. So it can either be clockwise or anticlockwise lol... cant play with that shit around.
This is why everyone simplifies the game against pip players ie making it pure heavy underspin or no spin or light topspin. I do the exact same thing to win too. But then this means that I dont get to serve my nice FH pendulum or hook serves anymore.
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On the contrary, I serve my FH pendulum almost ALL the damn time vs pips... give them my heavy underspin first to get them to know my under motion is actually heavy... then pull the carpet out on the spin (light or dead) then move the ball around on serve... then open with SPIN or power depending on return.
I am not afraid to serve spin to pip players (supposed to be a big no no) but it is crucial to my success.
I am not afraid to serve spin to pip players (supposed to be a big no no) but it is crucial to my success.
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Yeah but your pendulum doesn't have the kind of sidespin action that we are talking about here. But I agree, it is possible to serve anything to pips and attack the return, it is just that people who serve sidespin without some practice have no hope of figuring out how the attack the return without chucking a boatload of points into the Nile and open themselves up to sidespin balls kicking on their side of the table from the pip return.
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Yeah that is a heavy underspin/no spin serve combo, not a FH sidespin pendulum serve lol. If you look at true sidespin pendulum, the variation is generally from sidetopspin to sideunder, very rarely no spin. And it is the kind of sidespin that can make the ball exit at 90 degree angle to the sideline if you serve it wide.
Heavy under / no spin combo is pretty much the best serve against pips. But it is a boring way to play the game, to be limited to only that serve.
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Yes it is easy because I also play LP penhold with my offhand for fun. Serve receive with LP is the easiest shit ever.
Of course I know what pips players fear (the heavy underspin/no spin combo serve with no sidespin) and yes I abuse that serve to win against them. But then the beautiful artistry of the serve and receive game is gone...
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They cant generate much spin anyways, all they do is manipulate your spin.
With sidespin serves they can borrow your sidespin to produce some disgusting shot, and the sidespin (as it is always there) helps them stabilize the shot.
If you are very good at disguising heavy underspin and no spin/mild topspin with placement and rhythm changes they will start making a ton of mistakes (there is a huge difference between treating heavy underspin and nospin balls), while you get relatively straight balls to attack due to lack of sidespin - no disgusting balls to deal with!
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You think that you have a good serve but you don't. You need to work A LOT on your serves. I get A LOT of points with my serve against LP players. Also do not forget that even if the ball returns back from an LP-player you have the 3rd ball, setting up the 3rd ball is still in the "serve".
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