Banish long pips

[Draycott old man]

long pips and short pips are fine

but medium pips are the thing of the devil

I've been playing with Medium pips now for over a year and have been told many times that my B.H now is a real weapon!! My opponents often say that it's so hard to play against as you don't really know what's on the ball when it comes back , I'm amazed more professional s don't use it as it's so hard to get back when you attack with M.P. You can attack Backspin balls just block with soft hands and creates a knuckle ball , changes the pace makes it difficult for your opponent to get any rhythm, I believe that Medium Pimples are by far the best as you can attack and defend I'm amazed more players don't give them a go !!!!

 

[merlin el mago]

Believe me the best are two inverted.

Now I use long pips for backhand....

 

[Peter93]

I wonder if the guys talking about equipment "advantage" of long pips and how its bad for the sport have looked at top100 male players even once. Did you find many LP players there?

Ironically though Kristian Karlsson said playing Kim Kum Yong in mixed doubles at the Olympics was very difficult *because* no men play with long pimples.

 

[kapahoo]

Probably the non pips would appreciate it but the pimples players might view it as discriminatory.

Very well said. 🙂👍

Thanks!
One could always have a pips-only-class as well. We can't have discrimination!

 

[ViperTableTennis]

Recently played a long pips player....

Hideously outta shape, didn't move, no forehand, one backhand shot .... the most joyless futile experience of my year thus far....I happily lost 11-1 - 11-1 - 11-3 just to exit the anticipated joyless experience...if you cannot play the game - indeed any sport that was clear from his stature (being polite) please pop to butlins find the nearest dartboard and leave this beautiful game in peace...

So just to be clear, your objection isn't actually with people using long pips, but rather your objection is to the notion of unfit and unskilled people picking up a racket to begin with. So the title of this thread shout really be "Banish unfit and unskilled players", and not "Banish long pips".

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The point of the post if I'm readying correctly is that someone who is out of shape has very little skills and uses weird equipment can easily beat an athletic, skilled player. That is a very negative view of the sport IMO.

How many other sports do you know that a player who is less skilled and worse physical shape can beat someone by simply using equipment? It completely changes the point of being a sport. Many sport sanctioning bodies purposely level the playing field by minimizing equipment impact. So that the most skilled and best trained player wins.

I know a very large round guy who can't jump or run, but can stand on the 3 point line and has super accuracy
so, do we ban 3 point lines in basketball then?

Then one of my other friend, also pretty large
he would buy Lion 3 star ITTF approved hobby bats, and beat 2200~2300 level players with it.
he doesn't move, he is very good in hitting flat shots.

he is unfit and can't run, but he makes use of what is allowed (not pips) to win.
to me, he is so skilled using rubbers with little grip. That is a skilled player to me.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I rather wish pips were more popular, like where 20-30% of people actually play them. This way people can get some regular experience on them and less of that crap they should be illegal. It's just a type of rubber, and playstyle most people aren't comfortable with, not some form of cheating.

that is clearly the solution
practice more of it, then you are fine.

the same can be against penholders, cpen or jpen
or any other uncommon grips.

in Taiwan, they wanted to promote penhold or chopper, so in elementary school, each team was forced to have atleaset a grip of the two, for them to enter the team into competitions.

Coaches were forced to choose 1 or 2 players (or a few more) and train them to be choppers or penhold.
decade later, we have some top level choppers, else it would be extinct
it might not be world class chopper, but good enough for our national players to train against.
imagine if we have zero choppers....

so the solution is to overcome, not running to policy makers to change policies
different equipment is part of the game, you either take the whole game in, or don't play TT

 

[Tyce]

Exactly Tony. It's a slippery slope, too, because what's gonna be outlawed next? Short pips first probably, but after that? Tensors? Carbon? So we all end up playing the same gear?
What a boring day that would be...

 

[blahness]

For me i had much better success against pips once I learnt how to serve without sidespin (ie the heavy under/no spin/mild topspin system).

It took me a while to learn and incorporate it, but Im happy with what I learnt as it added an extra dimension to my game.

As a good server i didnt appreciate pips making receiving my best serves so easy especially my hook and FH pendulum.

 

[Ghostzen]

Probably stating the obvious like others here but play against them more. It's quite a good learning experience actually if you treat it as a new skill to learn spin changes.

There is nothing magical about pimples. You do X and Y happens is a good start generally. There are drills to get used to the speed and changes in spin and pace.

Tom Lodziak did a video clip on he's YouTube channel which explains the basics. Once that's picked up it's a progression. A bit like reading serve or dealing with spin changes.

I'll dig it out and add it to the post.

 

[tzifos]

long pips and short pips are fine

but medium pips are the thing of the devil

Ban Ai Fukuhara too!!!

 

[tzifos]

I've been playing with Medium pips now for over a year and have been told many times that my B.H now is a real weapon!! My opponents often say that it's so hard to play against as you don't really know what's on the ball when it comes back , I'm amazed more professional s don't use it as it's so hard to get back when you attack with M.P. You can attack Backspin balls just block with soft hands and creates a knuckle ball , changes the pace makes it difficult for your opponent to get any rhythm, I believe that Medium Pimples are by far the best as you can attack and defend I'm amazed more players don't give them a go !!!!

It's the most difficult pips to master! That is why! Too many missed balls until you learn how to defend (block, pushes, chop block, chops from distance) and to attack with them! So many drop them as their results in games are bad until they learn how to play with them as they need a lot of practice time.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Recently played a long pips player....

Hideously outta shape, didn't move, no forehand, one backhand shot .... the most joyless futile experience of my year thus far....I happily lost 11-1 - 11-1 - 11-3 just to exit the anticipated joyless experience...if you cannot play the game - indeed any sport that was clear from his stature (being polite) please pop to butlins find the nearest dartboard and leave this beautiful game in peace...

Is this you? Or at least it is so similar with your description!!!

 

[blahness]

To be fair there are a lot of unathletic inverted players who also just push with heavy af spin, and have impenetrable blocks and can just outlast you with a lazy af game just standing there lol.

I guess the real difference is that with pips, you can have quite braindead serve receives and it still works for the most part as it is very forgiving. And majority of players dont serve in a way that pips players hate (ie without any sidespin to borrow, with a lot of placement and pace variations). Against inverted ppl, even if they just push and block, they will also have a hard time with good serve receive.

 

[d3nium]

I only play UK local league table tennis but more and more people are starting to use pips.

I'm useless against them, my brain doesn't seem to understand the push/roll technique and I just end up popping the ball up.

But they're part of the sport and it's on me to improve against them

If any pips players in NW UK read this post, please give me some coaching 😆

 

[Kopp]

This problem haven't solved? 😂

Now I'm thinking using pips on both sides. Short and long. I may be able to beat more athletic and skilled players. LOL

 

[AchyGeorge]

I thought that This mixed doubles from the China Smash yesterday was a really enjoyable watch. Why would you want to ban the Luxembourg teams bats?

 

[Draycott old man]

I thought that This mixed doubles from the China Smash yesterday was a really enjoyable watch. Why would you want to ban the Luxembourg teams bats?

Who was playing for Luxembourg? Was it Luka Mladenovic? He uses Anti on his B H

 

[AchyGeorge]

Who was playing for Luxembourg? Was it Luka Mladenovic? He uses Anti on his B H

Yes Luka with anti + normal inverted and 60+ Aunty Ni with Penhold lp + sp against a Chinese double inverted pen holder and double inverted shake handed. Really entertaining stuff

 

[blahness]

This problem haven't solved? 😂

Now I'm thinking using pips on both sides. Short and long. I may be able to beat more athletic and skilled players. LOL

The best combo imo is pips BH + inverted FH. Use inverted FH to serve, pips to disgust opponents and then inverted finish off weaker balls. It can be incredibly strong. Even at pro level you can see this style being employed quite successfully in the women's game.