Boosted Chinese rubber better than Tensor for backhand?

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D05 is great, but it still doesnt have the weight and penetrating impact of tacky, harder rubbers.

If you are then comparing G1 to tacky rubber, then the spread is even wider.
Yeah, but there's a lot of situations where you can't go full blast and need some help (especially on BH) - for eg when you're being pressured...

Also hitting hard all the time takes its toll on the body imo, why make life hard unnecessarily?
 
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Well it's not just this 1 guy who benefits from tackier/harder rubber.

There are really strong players like Otcharov, Qiu Dang, Jorkic, and LYJ who still use tension rubber. Clearly these pros are stronger than random 1800 guy, so I wonder why they don't use something like D09c or Victas Triple Double on BH.
Like how I’ll always answer the question of why pro’s don’t use xyz eq, they are human too. Meaning, they have their preferences and things that they like and don’t like.

I have been playing with tensor bh for the past 6-8 months and it’s helped me tremendously with my bh. Before that, I used tacky Chinese rubbers/hybrids (skyline 3-60, h3 37).

The one thing that is the main difference with tacky rubbers and tensors is the feeling when the ball grips the topsheet. With h3 and some other Chinese rubbers, it sometimes feels like there’s too much dwell for bh. Even if the rubber is boosted heavily, there will still be the element of tack upon contact. Some may like this, some may not.

I find that the bounce I get from rubbers like Vega X are sufficient for what I want. The ball stays long enough for me to spin, and it feels good to use. Perhaps in the future I will try H37 again on bh.
 
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To sum up: It works for me. Why doesn't every one do this? Why don't the pros do it? I am sure it is better because it works for me. If it works for me at my level, it must be good for someone who is 1,000+ points higher level than me. :)
 
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To sum up: It works for me. Why doesn't every one do this? Why don't the pros do it? I am sure it is better because it works for me. If it works for me at my level, it must be good for someone who is 1,000+ points higher level than me. :)
Well yes exactly that is the summary. And clearly there is a trend among pros to switch from tensor bh to hard tacky rubber, mostly expressed as D09c and H3.

But I guess I'm still surprised the trend isnt more widespread among pros and even 2200-2400 usatt type players.
 
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To sum up: It works for me. Why doesn't every one do this? Why don't the pros do it? I am sure it is better because it works for me. If it works for me at my level, it must be good for someone who is 1,000+ points higher level than me. :)
Just on point, Carl!!!:ROFLMAO:
 
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Ну да, именно это и есть резюме. И ясно, что среди профессионалов есть тенденция переключаться с тензора bh на жесткую липкую резину, в основном выраженную как D09c и H3.

Но, думаю, я все еще удивлен, что эта тенденция не так распространена среди профи и даже игроков типа 2200-2400 usatt.
The cult of Tenergy is still strong...:alien:
 
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I kinda get D09c as the bh of choice for hard tacky rubber, but i dont get H3.

H3 isnt too fast even with booster, so it seems Triple Double or something would make for a better bh rubber.
There's a lot of nasty spin variation stuff you can really only do with H3 type rubbers. And also the game is not all about looping. If you watch how Ma Long pushes short super consistently with the BH even against sidetopspin serves, or how he kills all the spin on an opening loop to block really short and dead, chopblocks, fake spin opening loops, these are much easier done with tacky rubber than nontacky rubbers. Of course if you like BH bang bang bang table tennis, tacky rubbers are not the best choice obviously.
 
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This is me doing my typical FH stroke. It is pretty standard right? For a lack of better word, textbook style. I look pretty relax with my stroke, letting the sponge do most of the work for me.

What I did not show is prior to this I was doing the same FH stroke with a fifty degree ESN rubber, the Donic Turbo series.

I was having more difficulty to get ball over, the ball drop more and is much slower. The problem is my amateurish physique is not able to activate the harder sponge to get its benefit.

Now imagine one is to use this hard stuff on the BH side where the ability to generate power is even less.

I'd Imagine one is a masochist to use it on BH ( Hard Tacky Rubber ).
 
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This is me doing my typical FH stroke. It is pretty standard right? For a lack of better word, textbook style. I look pretty relax with my stroke, letting the sponge do most of the work for me.

What I did not show is prior to this I was doing the same FH stroke with a fifty degree ESN rubber, the Donic Turbo series.

I was having more difficulty to get ball over, the ball drop more and is much slower. The problem is my amateurish physique is not able to activate the harder sponge to get its benefit.

Now imagine one is to use this hard stuff on the BH side where the ability to generate power is even less.

I'd Imagine one is a masochist to use it on BH ( Hard Tacky Rubber ).
I actually see a stroke that is kind of stiff and with a lot of mechanical issues. Probably the biggest of these is that the feet, particularly the right foot, seems a little glued to the spot and don't want to move and the knees don't want to bend. But also, if you look at your arm, the bend in your elbow, the angle from upper arm to lower arm, it NEVER changes throughout the whole stroke.

Now, I do think it would take a lot of work to make the stroke better. But, to me, it seems the fast equipment you are using is making it easier to get all your power from only the arm and an arm that is moving with major mechanical disadvantages as a result of the fixed elbow position.

I have money on it that if you used a slower blade and slower rubbers, for a few weeks you might feel like you were having to work harder, but then your stroke would improve much faster because you would need to use more force and your degree of efficiency, as you transfer power from feet, through legs, through hips, core roatation, torse, to the arm and racket, WOULD HAVE TO IMPROVE. :)

BTW: it is not an issue of strength. You are pretty strong. It is an issue of efficiency. A TT ball is small. It is light. It is not like a baseball or a tennis ball. All you need is the mechanical advantage to get that racket moving faster. At the moment your racket is moving quite slow and I think part of that is that, if your racket was moving fast, with how you currently touch the ball, the ball would fly all over the place, so your fast fast setup has caused you to slow down your stroke when you are trying to loop.

When you slap a high ball flat, you don't do that. You don't hold back. But here, you are transferring less than 30% of your power into the ball.
 
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This is me doing my typical FH stroke. It is pretty standard right? For a lack of better word, textbook style. I look pretty relax with my stroke, letting the sponge do most of the work for me.

What I did not show is prior to this I was doing the same FH stroke with a fifty degree ESN rubber, the Donic Turbo series.

I was having more difficulty to get ball over, the ball drop more and is much slower. The problem is my amateurish physique is not able to activate the harder sponge to get its benefit.

Now imagine one is to use this hard stuff on the BH side where the ability to generate power is even less.

I'd Imagine one is a masochist to use it on BH ( Hard Tacky Rubber ).
i can't see the video, it looks like you had the cover on the lens 😂
But I am one of those who uses hard tacky rubber on the BH
 
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i can't see the video, it looks like you had the cover on the lens 😂
But I am one of those who uses hard tacky rubber on the BH
How is it for you? BH mid distance topspin to topspin rally no problem?
 
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How is it for you? BH mid distance topspin to topspin rally no problem?
I am not a good player and i am in my 70s and got all kinds of problems, so the club coach one day said to me: "Play a tight game". So mid distance topspins BH ralleys have to be avoided. Walking or jumping backwards is my biggest enemy . Close to the table is ok.
During warmups I have no problems doing the mid distance BH ralleys and I can beat up my robot the whole day. BH is my favorite. I only really trained myself to do FH topspin stuff when covid started
 
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With a fast rubber on the backhand, I often had to restrain my strength to hit the table with the ball and make more blocks. With sticky, hard rubber, I can hit the ball without holding back power or shortening my swing. I changed three jerseys in three hours of games on Friday and my muscles are still sore, but it was amazing!
 
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How is it for you? BH mid distance topspin to topspin rally no problem?
The way your strokes are calibrated, you are trying not to use too much force in your strokes. You are holding yourself back from adding power because of how fast that racket is. If you took the time to get used to a slower setup, all of that would change. If you did that and only used the slow racket for 3 months, in 3 months, if you tried your current setup, you would think it is crazy fast and not understand how you did not realize it when you were using it.

If your technique was decently high level, if the precision of your contact was cleaner and you were able to touch the ball and decide the depth of contact (how much you want the ball to sink into the rubber) and control that skillfully, you would be able to take a full swing while spinning the ball and have no problem with that racket. But as of now, the only strokes you are able to take a full swing on are when you are hitting the ball relatively flat (smashes and punch blocks).

If you like that, it is fine. If you want to improve, you will need to learn to add power to your shots when you are spinning the ball so you get much more pace AND MORE SPIN.
 
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