Burned 2k cals playing table tennis yesterday

[Federal_Agent]

I am very suspicious about the real capacity of these instruments to measure calories burned during athletic activities. When I see the supposed results I get the impression that they are hyperbolic.

It's hilarious to read that counting kcal is not important to obtain athletic or health results, as it is basic knowledge and consolidated by science, just talk to professional nutritionists/sports doctors to understand better.
Results os lean mass growth, fat reduction, strength, power, resistance and flexibility are always conditioned by 3 pillars: training, nutrition and recovery/rest. Human biology and the science of sports training.

Sorry if I'm being rude, but there are things that cannot be given an opinion because they are facts.

 

[lodro]

My only measuring tool now is my jeans size, it's waist 30in fyi, just like it was many a year ago, when I was a teenager.

anybody in their 60s who, as when he/she was in their teens , still has a waist of 30 inches should be forced to add 25kg of lard before they have any right to talk here. 😁

 

[Novarac23]

This whole thread escalated quickly, was just trying to say that I had a lot of fun and burned a bunch of calories (directionally speaking, I know that the watch was not accurate) 😂 but yes as someone who has been playing sports and weightlifting prettty much since early teenage years I agree with the fact that counting calories is effective and that doing different activities burns different amount of calories. Actually I’ve been cutting since March and counting macros since then. Started at 233 currently at 212 💪

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

This whole thread escalated quickly, was just trying to say that I had a lot of fun and burned a bunch of calories (directionally speaking, I know that the watch was not accurate) 😂 but yes as someone who has been playing sports and weightlifting prettty much since early teenage years I agree with the fact that counting calories is effective and that doing different activities burns different amount of calories. Actually I’ve been cutting since March and counting macros since then. Started at 233 currently at 212 💪

If that is from a watch, is the watch on your racket hand or your other hand? It will probably give different readings on the off hand than it will on the racket hand.

Still, the average heart rate of 147 says you were amped up. And as you say here, fun and exercise is good whether the reading from the watch is accurate or just gives you an idea about how you were working hard.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

*OK, I feel I need a disclaimer here)) There IS a small % of individuals who are genetically predisposed to be overweight, their adipose cells have increased ability to store fat. These people are healthy, despite being oversized and any attempts to shed weight long term are mostly futile, because what they perceive as overweight is indeed their optimal weight, but it's a very small minority.

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This paragraph caught my attention.

I weigh X kg and has been like this for many many years. It does not deviate by 1/2kg plus / minus.

If using the standard BMI formula, I am obese.

Now come the interesting part; say if I somehow gain X+1kg, my appetite will automatically be suppressed by my mind, I'll lose appetite and won't eat much. It is automatic.

Conversely, if I lose say even X-1 kg, my appetite will increase and I will eat more than usual.

It is as though my body is self regulating to make me stay within its auto-set desired weight.

Now that you mention this @S-Pin , I suspect I may be one of those.

Furthermore, my cardio is just fine for my weight, as I can out last most of my club-mates in playing games. Even after playing two hours of non-stop TT I can still continue ( 30 sets or more ) and I don't sit down to rest.

 

[Novarac23]

If that is from a watch, is the watch on your racket hand or your other hand? It will probably give different readings on the off hand than it will on the racket hand.

Still, the average heart rate of 147 says you were amped up. And as you say here, fun and exercise is good whether the reading from the watch is accurate or just gives you an idea about how you were working hard.

It was on my non playing hand actually! That is a good point I wonder what the reading would be if its my playing hand.

 

[S-Pin]

anybody in their 60s who, as when he/she was in their teens , still has a waist of 30 inches should be forced to add 25kg of lard before they have any right to talk here. 😁

Sir, yes Sir! STFU and eat lard. I'll do my best. 🫡

 

[lodro]

my appetite will automatically be suppressed by my mind,

I don't believe the "mind" has anything to do with it, it is more likely a hypotalamus-feedback loop.
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What is a hypothalamus feedback loop?


Feedback loops play a crucial role in maintaining hormone levels and regulating hormone production in the hypothalamic-pituitary system. Negative feedback loops are regulatory mechanisms in which the output or effect of a process inhibits or reduces the initial stimulus or input..

if the loop brakes, a person can end up with hypotalamic obesity, because the signal that instigates the "stop eating you are full" got lost.

 

[Tinykin]

You can do different kind of activities not only one, that you mentioned, and professional runners should have lower heart rate during running, than tt players - so tt burn more calories. Does boxing and wrestling burning more calories than jogging - definitely yes. But in general marathon running is aerobic sport, tt is mostly anaerobic if we talking bout decent level.

I’m just curious from what source you pick your information. And did you ever had a descent physique, low body fat %? Counting calories could be very beneficial for some people, it’s only a tool - the question is would you manage to gain something useful from it or not, does it help you to achieve your goals? For me, for example, I have never counted calories even when I competed - and I have achieve pretty high results.

I’m telling your as an fitness/martial arts coach, two time national silver medalist in bodybuilding, one time in mma, plus I had national/euro champions students.

"I’m telling your as an fitness/martial arts coach, two time national silver medalist in bodybuilding, one time in mma, plus I had national/euro champions students."

I'm very envious, almost jealous

But I'm also impressed by the knowledge on this thread. Saves me from having to do any googling

 

[S-Pin]

*OK, I feel I need a disclaimer here)) There IS a small % of individuals who are genetically predisposed to be overweight, their adipose cells have increased ability to store fat. These people are healthy, despite being oversized and any attempts to shed weight long term are mostly futile, because what they perceive as overweight is indeed their optimal weight, but it's a very small minority.

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This paragraph caught my attention.

I weigh X kg and has been like this for many many years. It does not deviate by 1/2kg plus / minus.

If using the standard BMI formula, I am obese.

Now come the interesting part; say if I somehow gain X+1kg, my appetite will automatically be suppressed by my mind, I'll lose appetite and won't eat much. It is automatic.

Conversely, if I lose say even X-1 kg, my appetite will increase and I will eat more than usual.

It is as though my body is self regulating to make me stay within its auto-set desired weight.

Now that you mention this @S-Pin , I suspect I may be one of those.

Furthermore, my cardio is just fine for my weight, as I can out last most of my club-mates in playing games. Even after playing two hours of non-stop TT I can still continue ( 30 sets or more ) and I don't sit down to rest.

I am not in a position to give any advice here, as I'm not your doctor. But, generally speaking, there are some very simple things that are worth to be aware of.

Fat in itself is not a baddy, subcutaneous fat (located under our skin and usually spread over our torso, legs, arms etc) could be perfectly normal and good.

Or, it could be indicative of visceral fat, and this fat is bad.

Visceral (internal) fat is concentrated in your abdominal cavity, in and around internal organs. Lean/normal arms, shoulders and legs, beer belly and love handles. This is visceral fat. And this is where you need to start worrying.

Visceral fat means a (very) possible NAFL (aka non-alcoholic fatty liver disease), metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance. Which is, in simple terms, a typical pre-diabetic state, among other nasty things.

To complete the picture, it's worth mentioning that there are also people who are called TOFI (thin outside fat inside). They are not overweight, look slim and healthy but have a lot of visceral fat and are metabolically ill.

Therefore, the much more important factor is your metabolic health rather than your weight.

Now, how to determine if you're metabolically healthy?

Stable baseline weight and high energy levels are very good indicators. But to be sure it's worth consulting a knowledgeable doctor (not the one who will measure your blood glucose and give you a clean bill of health, because your glucose is within normal range).

Measuring insulin levels (fasting and after meals) is very useful at this stage. Insulin is a hormone which is, among other things, responsible for storing fat and thus regulating your weight. Heightened insulin levels (usually caused by insulin resistance) are definitely a cause for concern and revision of your diet. Normal insulin levels and some subcutaneous fat could well be perfectly good. Some research even indicates that you may live longer than a skinny guy next to you.

But again, consult your doctor and don't take the above as a medical advice. If you're really interested in the subject, I can direct you to some books, that are serious, accessible and in some ways eye-opening.

 

[S-Pin]

"I’m telling your as an fitness/martial arts coach, two time national silver medalist in bodybuilding, one time in mma, plus I had national/euro champions students."

I'm very envious, almost jealous

Yes, that's impressive and a whole different level, compared to us mere mortals I can only imagine the dedication.

 

[_ak]

If using the standard BMI formula, I am obese.

BMI may be misleading for sporty people/athletes.
I am wondering what is the BMI of Lebrun brothers, Adriana Diaz, Mima Ito and other non skinny TT players

 

[_ak]

It was on my non playing hand actually! That is a good point I wonder what the reading would be if its my playing hand.

Yeah, I am wondering as well. I use Garmin watch/dive computer and there is no TT activity. Searched their forums and people suggested just using generic Cardio activity for it.

Anyway it may be not precise but still ok if you compare yourself to yourself. Their VO2 estimation also likely incorrect but it was interesting to see it gradually increasing as I returned to the sport and gave up smoking. Also heart rate, despite very high maximum the average gradually became lower.

 

[S-Pin]

It's hilarious to read that counting kcal is not important to obtain athletic or health results, as it is basic knowledge and consolidated by science, just talk to professional nutritionists/sports doctors to understand better.
Results os lean mass growth, fat reduction, strength, power, resistance and flexibility are always conditioned by 3 pillars: training, nutrition and recovery/rest. Human biology and the science of sports training.

Sorry if I'm being rude, but there are things that cannot be given an opinion because they are facts.

You're not being rude at all. These debates have been heated for quite a long time. Energy balance is a fact, there's no question about it, so counting kcal may make perfect sense for some, definitely when it comes to sports. Problem is, many think that counting calories on its own will solve the problem when it comes to regulating weight.

And yes it is basic knowledge. It's basic to a degree where many see it as a simple thermodynamic process, when in fact it involves much, much more complicated biochemical processes, hormonal, metabolic mitochondrial etc.

OK, probably enough of this boring stuff.

 

[SleepyMaster]

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Professional athletes, high performance sports, bodybuilding or kicking each other with both feet for a living is a completely different ballgame, you may measure your calories and whatnot for whatever performance reasons you want, I know nothing about it and not interested in that. I'm talking about ordinary guys like me who do sports as a hobby and want to be fit and healthy, which is vast majority of this forum.

*OK, I feel I need a disclaimer here)) There IS a small % of individuals who are genetically predisposed to be overweight, their adipose cells have increased ability to store fat. These people are healthy, despite being oversized and any attempts to shed weight long term are mostly futile, because what they perceive as overweight is indeed their optimal weight, but it's a very small minority.

That’s the whole thing, “you know nothing about it”, yeah that’s true. But you still trying to prove something from only your “know nothing about” perspective and three club mates. 99% of people who are obese, they are in such condition not because they are “genetically predisposed”, but because they didn’t understand what their eating (overeating or eating disorder) for decades plus lack of physical activity.

Anyone can get in better shape if they really want to do it, if some people are lying to you about their eating schedule and than trying to hide that lie by “I’m counting calories, bro” - that’s actually meaning only one thing - that they are lied and that’s it. But not “counting calorie is stupid bs”. Because there are thousands of examples that it helped for many to achieve their goals.

But we talking bout different things in general. I’m not telling that someone can’t have some fat and also to be considered as healthy person, I’m just telling that counting calories can be beneficial for a lot of people who wanted to lose weight, but for some reason can’t do it. You can be in whatever shape you want, you can have your own goals in life and opinion based on “common sense/know nothing about”, but this is not fitness forum and I used to get paid for fitness/athlete performance advices so I don’t see the reason to continue this dialogue. Have a nice day, buddy 🤓

"I’m telling your as an fitness/martial arts coach, two time national silver medalist in bodybuilding, one time in mma, plus I had national/euro champions students."

I'm very envious, almost jealous

But I'm also impressed by the knowledge on this thread. Saves me from having to do any googling

Nothing spectacular - I dedicated whole my life to sport and fitness, but there were people that achieved higher results than me. Unfortunately I had a series of injuries, that tend me to stop my martial arts journey as a competitor. I had a year of hard depression, but after that I started my own business that I really enjoy now and it is not some sport stuff hehe (opened two restaurants, one of them is healthy food oriented). Met a lot of new people and my beautiful wife. I find that I can do other sport and I can enjoy it, as much as I used to enjoy fighting, without getting my injuries even worse.

 

[SleepyMaster]

"I’m telling your as an fitness/martial arts coach, two time national silver medalist in bodybuilding, one time in mma, plus I had national/euro champions students."

I'm very envious, almost jealous

But I'm also impressed by the knowledge on this thread. Saves me from having to do any googling

 

[riemsesy]

@SleepyMaster what bf% was this?

 

[riemsesy]

BMI may be misleading for sporty people/athletes.
I am wondering what is the BMI of Lebrun brothers, Adriana Diaz, Mima Ito and other non skinny TT players

The Lebrun brothers.. it's def < 25
they're not particularly muscular

 

[lodro]

Anyone can get in better shape if they really want to do it,

I will tell this to my good mate next time i see him. Throw those crutches away and give away your wheelchair....... 😂😂😂

 

[lodro]

The Lebrun brothers.. it's def < 25
they're not particularly muscular

yep, Alex pulled his shirt up yesterday when he played doubles with Gauzy and he showed quite a roll of speck 😂