Chinese Trials for World Championships 2017

[TTLondon2012]

Ma Long vs Lin Gaoyuan

 

[dony71]

very good play from LGY, but he already lost mentally on set 3, that's why his play sucks on last set

 

[alexgreen]

One more time : I didnt label them as soldiers with the dictionary meaning. The philosophy,punishments,behavior,respect to superiors, program is almost like in the military. Total different situation than in the west.

If timo boll is not sleeping by bedtime then no one will punish him, not the same situation in CNT.

Ma wenge was kicked from the CNT for not waking up early and being right on training time. ZJK was kicked because of his behavior towarsd coaches. He was accepted back and in 2009 he was punished again and didnt participate in WTTC 2009.

Guo Yue was kicked from the CNT also . Dont get too busy/excited with semantics and word meanings. If the west training philosophy is not similar to a military training program then the chinese one is definitely similar if not of the same philosophy. Punishment and obedience to superiors were born/invented in military regimes

Once again you are overstating these 'punishment' as forms of some harsh military control over the team rather than common discipline like in other sports. Barcelona footballers are fined even if they are just a minute late to training. Carlos Tevez was kicked out of the team for having a bust up with the manager. Don't try to exaggerate this as military enforcement. And for the record Zhang Jike did play in the WTTC 2009

 

[NextLevel]

Once again you are overstating these 'punishment' as forms of some harsh military control over the team rather than common discipline like in other sports. Barcelona footballers are fined even if they are just a minute late to training. Carlos Tevez was kicked out of the team for having a bust up with the manager. Don't try to exaggerate this as military enforcement. And for the record Zhang Jike did play in the WTTC 2009

What you talking about, Alex?

Oh, I get it - you mean he played doubles etc.

 

[rainneverever]

ZJK and Mu Zi played mixed doubles in WTTC 2009 and got silver medals.

What you talking about, Alex?

 

[Persistence TT]

Once again you are overstating these 'punishment' as forms of some harsh military control over the team rather than common discipline like in other sports. Barcelona footballers are fined even if they are just a minute late to training. Carlos Tevez was kicked out of the team for having a bust up with the manager. Don't try to exaggerate this as military enforcement. And for the record Zhang Jike did play in the WTTC 2009

hmmm he was punished not to play in singles. although he earned a spot through trials. Im not overstating anything. Dont compare western culture with chinese to prove a point. 2 different things

ZJK only played in mixed doubles, not singles. I dont remember if he did play in doubles I think not. But definitely not singles because he was punished

 

[Persistence TT]

Fines and being kicked out of the team just for not waking up early is a totally different thing. Do they stand on "attention" in barcelona or any western sports team? No.

Coaches do have military ranks if you check it out. They are not soldiers wit hthe dictionary term yes. I dont understand why you insist on pointing out things I didnt even said, or meant. Cheers

p.s. FYI check this out

LGL gives orders in the begining. If this doesnt seem like a military command to you then you probably didnt serve or dont know about the military tone. Let the chinese users convince you.

also check @ 1:26. does this seem to you like a normal NBA/western style of team "encouragement" ???

 

[Persistence TT]

I think what he means is that the players "serve" for the nation. They can not choose their club for example (e.g. the top 4 are all playing for different teams) or the tournaments they participate in like european players can. They are like a symbol for the greatness of China and should represent that

Couldnt agree more. In europe players are not "forced" to compete and they certainly wont play if they feel like it. ronaldinho had disappeared for days/weeks when he was playing in barcelona and the consequences were very light because he was a superstar. In china an ex world champion like Guo Yue got sent back to provincial team, in western country this would create a small "scandal"

 

[rainneverever]

At the closing ceremony of Stage I, LGL said: LGY is most eye-catching in the trials. He had the best chance to win the ticket if beating ML. But after two errors in the match against ML, LGY lost the chance. This is a lesson that he has to learn as a young player, to get the mental strength.


Wu Jingping was LGY's coach before his retirement last year; Wu was also the coach of FZD, XX and Zhou Qihao. He came to the trials for coaching them and spoke highly of LGY's performance. LGY used to be the training partner of FZD and XX in Wu's group; his BH was better than FH and he imporved his FH a lot during CTTSL last year with ML in Shandong Weiqiao.


The host city of the trials is LGY's hometown. He is writing a column for the local newspaper He said that he chose Shang Kun instead of FB for Stage II because (1) he has just beaten FB and FB may fight back (2) Shang Kun has not played for a while. He seems pretty confident; perhaps he forgot how he lost to Shang Kun in Hungarian Open this Jan.

very good play from LGY, but he already lost mentally on set 3, that's why his play sucks on last set

 

[Persistence TT]

Oh and the infamous girlfriends incident in 2004. Ma lin's and wang hao's girlfriends were kicked out from CNT and from then on players who havent reached 24 years of age were not allowed to have relationships/

 

[zoomtt]

I would like to remark what somebody has mentioned before, stage 2 is a knockout stage, not a groups stage. It can be clearly seen on the website: https://marvellous12.sports.qq.com/mans2.php

On the right side:

This makes it much more exciting, no chance for mistakes!

 

[rainneverever]

Not true, XX's wife Yao Yan was also on CNT (Kong Linghui was her coach) when they started dating in 2009.
Come on, it is 21st century now and China is changing day after day.

Oh and the infamous girlfriends incident in 2004. Ma lin's and wang hao's girlfriends were kicked out from CNT and from then on players who havent reached 24 years of age were not allowed to have relationships/

 

[ttmonster]

I thought he got out because of some gambling incident in which Ma Lin was also involved ... details please

Oh and the infamous girlfriends incident in 2004. Ma lin's and wang hao's girlfriends were kicked out from CNT and from then on players who havent reached 24 years of age were not allowed to have relationships/

 

[Persistence TT]

I thought he got out because of some gambling incident in which Ma Lin was also involved ... details please

LOL I have heard thar rumor also by some greek players. I dont know if this is true or not but the "urban legend" says that ZJK owed lots of money through gambling and ma lin helped him out.

One crazy guy I play with (he loves exaggerated stories) told me that ZJK tattoed his back when he was 16-17 because the chinese mafia carved with a knife some stuff and he didnt want the "torture" to be visible. He even said to me that the mafia was after him because he owed them money playing something like chinese poker (??) and dices

The fun part was that he was really serious about it when I told him come on man this is total bullcrap because the tattoos were made when he was 22-23 and when he ripped his shirt he had no scars whatsoever.

 

[Persistence TT]

Not true, XX's wife Yao Yan was also on CNT (Kong Linghui was her coach) when they started dating in 2009.
Come on, it is 21st century now and China is changing day after day.

http://tabletennista.com/2012/2/can-there-be-love-in-the-chinese-national/

Actually you are right, the 24 age barrier is something I read quite some time ago in another sports site and Im not 100% sure if it is true. Even if it is the situation has changed

 

[JeffM]

Xu Xin beats Fang Bo 2-0 again, however not without difficulty. Both times, Xu Xin was behind but had greater mentality in adverse situations to comeback and take both sets!

The penholder survives another day in the trial!

 

[laser23]

Lin Gaoyuan 2 - 0 Shang Kun

 

[laser23]

Backhand serve practice for Ma Long against Zhou Kai.

 

[Garrison]

Fang Bo will most likely not go to the WTTC so we might get some fresh blood here.

 

[Michal_Z]

So now it looks like next matches are:
Xu Xin vs. Xu Chenhao,
Lin Gaoyuan vs. Yan An,
Ma Long vs. Zhou Yu..
Starting with Xu Xin at 19:25 their time, which is 2 and half hours from now..

In women it is:
Chen Meng (2:1 over Wu Yang) vs. Mu Zi (2:1 over Xua Jiaoyuan or so)
Ding Ning (2:0 over Gu Yuting) vs. Wang Manyu (2:1 over Chen Ke)
Feng Yalan (2:0 over Che Xiaoxi) vs. Zhu Yuling (2:0 over Li Jiaji)..

So lets go!