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Here is how I think of the terminology. All of this is how I think of these things and understand them. So I am not necessarily saying everyone has to have to same terminology I have.
I never heard or thought of Shuki's distinction between a flick and a flip. Nevertheless, I like his idea.
I just use flip for an over the table attack. And hear flick as the same thing but I don't really use that term myself.
Over the table attacks are complicated. The BH ones can be light to heavy spin. Some over the table BH shots are legitimately over the table loops.
On the FH side, an over the table loop refers more to a shot where the backswing starts behind the table and planes forward so that contact with the ball would happen over the table. This is one shot that Ma Long seems to do better than anyone else.
Whereas a FH flip or flick, the racket starts over the table so the backswing is small (or should I say, pretty much nonexistent). This is really a weird annoying shot to receive. This shot can really be dead or it could have decent spin. But it usually doesn't have as much spin as a BH over the table loop like a banana flip.
A counter-hit is one of the things the pros do to warm up. They do it right before looping. In a counter-hit you drive the ball forward with fairly direct contact. This shot has light topspin. But it is a topspin shot.
A drive: the way I think about it, is any topspin shot where you make direct contact with the ball and drive forward into the ball rather than brushing past the ball. Usually a drive is not as flat as a smash. But I would not fully separate a smash from a drive. Because in a smash you drive directly into the ball. There is just even less of a tangential element than on a regular drive shot.
A smash, you have clearance with the ball high enough above the net that you can smack the ball totally flat and aim it to land on the table. When the ball is a little lower and still is slapped like a baby's bottom, it probably has a little more of a closed blade angle and I would consider it more of a drive.
A push, is usually an over the table shot where you simply push forward with varying degrees of open angle.
A loop: a shot with heavy topspin where you brush the ball and the ball does not bottom out and impact the wood of the blade. In a loop you are using how the topsheet grabs the ball and how the sponge deforms during contact to help generate spin and propel the ball forward. A loop can have thin contact, medium contact or deeper contact but not so deep that impact with the wood of the blade moves the ball off the rubber without the sponge and topsheet creating heavy spin.
Loop-drive: a loop with deep contact where the ball does impact the wood a small amount but where the tangential trajectory of the stroke still allows the sponge and topsheet to create heavy spin, and the impact into the wood does not decrease the dwell time significantly or cause the shot to create a significantly lower amount of spin.
I think I will leave push and chop out of this though. [emoji2]
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I never heard or thought of Shuki's distinction between a flick and a flip. Nevertheless, I like his idea.
I just use flip for an over the table attack. And hear flick as the same thing but I don't really use that term myself.
Over the table attacks are complicated. The BH ones can be light to heavy spin. Some over the table BH shots are legitimately over the table loops.
On the FH side, an over the table loop refers more to a shot where the backswing starts behind the table and planes forward so that contact with the ball would happen over the table. This is one shot that Ma Long seems to do better than anyone else.
Whereas a FH flip or flick, the racket starts over the table so the backswing is small (or should I say, pretty much nonexistent). This is really a weird annoying shot to receive. This shot can really be dead or it could have decent spin. But it usually doesn't have as much spin as a BH over the table loop like a banana flip.
A counter-hit is one of the things the pros do to warm up. They do it right before looping. In a counter-hit you drive the ball forward with fairly direct contact. This shot has light topspin. But it is a topspin shot.
A drive: the way I think about it, is any topspin shot where you make direct contact with the ball and drive forward into the ball rather than brushing past the ball. Usually a drive is not as flat as a smash. But I would not fully separate a smash from a drive. Because in a smash you drive directly into the ball. There is just even less of a tangential element than on a regular drive shot.
A smash, you have clearance with the ball high enough above the net that you can smack the ball totally flat and aim it to land on the table. When the ball is a little lower and still is slapped like a baby's bottom, it probably has a little more of a closed blade angle and I would consider it more of a drive.
A push, is usually an over the table shot where you simply push forward with varying degrees of open angle.
A loop: a shot with heavy topspin where you brush the ball and the ball does not bottom out and impact the wood of the blade. In a loop you are using how the topsheet grabs the ball and how the sponge deforms during contact to help generate spin and propel the ball forward. A loop can have thin contact, medium contact or deeper contact but not so deep that impact with the wood of the blade moves the ball off the rubber without the sponge and topsheet creating heavy spin.
Loop-drive: a loop with deep contact where the ball does impact the wood a small amount but where the tangential trajectory of the stroke still allows the sponge and topsheet to create heavy spin, and the impact into the wood does not decrease the dwell time significantly or cause the shot to create a significantly lower amount of spin.
I think I will leave push and chop out of this though. [emoji2]
Sent from The Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy
