Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Der_Echte]

TT Monster could still loop with H3 or H8 if he wanted to, but it would be SO MUCH EASIER to get a modern SGE or modern non tuned rubber to do that. Prolly a few hundred rubbers that could work more efficiently for him, but he could also soften the sponge of his current rubbers and give them a good rub down to restore tackiness if that is what he wants in a topsheet.

Day 1 I was using Lissom with Nexy Karis M+ on FH. Not a very fast outfit, day 2 I used Hanibal with Karis M on FH.

Takkyu WI would have to have a session vs me or be with me on one of my missions to understand. Yeah, Carl is right that vs some other opponents I am a lot more active. He has seen this in maybe 10 visits.What you will never feel from the vids is my opening topspin. You gotta get that in person, it is usually one and done. I am huger lately and do not bend knees or waist as low as I need nor do I have optimal position, I am only a 4 yr chump after all, need more training time.

The next time I get a pic taken of me by TT Monster, I will not have a "Trouble Maker" name tag on my forehead, it will say "Internet FRAUD"... it is an inside Joke that Carl will need to explain. That story will be total LULZ.

 

[NextLevel]

One thing you might not get from the videos: Der_Echte plays like that when he knows his opponent is outmatched. He pushes more, he loops less. He does these weird things like looping with his BH from the FH side and then pretending he is mad at himself for missing a point when he is really just making the game a little closer.

I wish we had taken footage of the last match between PingPongHolic and Der_Echte on the last NYC goon squad mission. He was moving a lot faster and looping everything.

Also, I am pretty sure Der_ can attack pretty much any of the serves he wants from those videos. So if he is pushing, it is also part of making the games not as one sided. Although he has been known to push when he is playing someone who has claimed, "you can't keep pushing at me and expect to win!" Hahahaha.


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There is really no need to defend DerEchte. You've seen Takkyu play and know his TT history so you know the perspective from which he makes these comments, just as you know the perspective from which you make yours.

 

[Der_Echte]

Takkyu WI saw what he saw in the video and video doesn't lie, but some other first hand observation helps make a more accurate picture.

 

[NextLevel]

Thnks Carl , Echte wants me to have more spin on the loop and I agree with him , so I am considering changing back to European rubbers and see if it helps ..

Your spin looks fine to me, but I guess the person who blocked you knows best. Chinese rubbers can reduce your ball quality though, people think they help give better spin but it is so far from the truth, the players I block their balls into the net the most are those that use Chinese rubbers. What they do is increase your ability to play with power close to the table vs incoming power, but that requires a level of active play that doesn't suit everyone.

Ask DerEchte for some Karis M, you may be pleasantly surprised. That rubber can raise your blocking skills vs incoming attacks all by itself.

 

[NextLevel]

You are right Takkyu , but you have to take into account the heavy backspin push that Der can generate even on no spin balls which I am not used to ... also I mostly play against a a Jpen who does not have much of a backhand loop / counter loop and hence avoids pushing to my backhand because it means trouble for him to block the spinny loop to his backhand ... so there is a lot of contextual complexity caused by Der's touch on his pushes ... plus my technique on my backhand has changed and deteriorated since I stopped taking coaching ... almost an year back ... Der's visit and his counsel gave me a lot to think about in my game , I wish NL and Carl was around .. the goon squad was able to create a lot of trouble but it would have been a riot had the full team been here ...

and Carl is right, he was trying to make the games closer by not blowing past me ... I did give him a little more trouble in a few other sets where I was able to make it a little more competitive ...

Your BH topspin issues are what they are (they are really about elbow positioning relative to the ball and taking it too far in front of you), but if DerEchte is generating backspin on your no spin with a push (as opposed to a heavy chop into the ball), then your no-spin serve is heavier than you think it is.

 

[Der_Echte]

I gave him a quick 2 minute hit with a fresh sheet (of Karis M) on the Hannibal. I think most of TTM's issues with topspin are not from his current rubber. (Although a modern SGE rubber could help some) I believe they are from his leverage, timing, whip and impact. He gets back that on his loop and he could still be a mean motor scooter with H3, but again, another rubber is easier. You gotta put in some man sized impact to get what you want outta H3.

TTM did very well countering my topspin with Karis M when I gave him heavy spin to his FH and he was waiting to counter topspin.

 

[Der_Echte]

TTM's no spin were sidespin serves slow with no underspin. I pushed those mostly and let him open, it was higher percentage for me to let him open and block, plus, it was more fun for him to open and keep attacking like Mad Max on Road Rage.

 

[NextLevel]

I gave him a quick 2 minute hit with a fresh sheet (of Karis M) on the Hannibal. I think most of TTM's issues with topspin are not from his current rubber. (Although a modern SGE rubber could help some) I believe they are from his leverage, timing, whip and impact. He gets back that on his loop and he could still be a mean motor scooter with H3, but again, another rubber is easier. You gotta put in some man sized impact to get what you want outta H3.

TTM did very well countering my topspin with Karis M when I gave him heavy spin to his FH and he was waiting to counter topspin.

The camera angle is bad but all I can see is the timing and probably following through with the elbow more than necessary. Some other things are not how I would do them but who am I?

 

[Der_Echte]

Who are you? A due who make nicknames and stays up WAY too damn late. Man, it has gotta be 5 AM on East Coast, you are conscious, whether you stayed up, or simply got up early. You seem to sleep almost as little as Carl and I. Yeah, and Ur rating is Shytty as heck. 2100 USATT? PFFH.

 

[Der_Echte]

If anyone missed out on what that meant, it means NL is seriously pretty damn good TT player.

 

[JeffM]

Today I played with my friend for 3 hours (a different friend but also happens to be a lefty), and then we trained with a robot for 2 hours. It was a model that has the function of putting balls in random position, which is more advance than mine, and I realise it's better for training alone too. But after playing so much in a day, I'm too tired. Had enough TT for a little while.

Still eager to get some feedback from the previous video that I posted though

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Takkyu WI saw what he saw in the video and video doesn't lie, but some other first hand observation helps make a more accurate picture.

i can comment only on the 3-5mns of the vids that i see, i don't know anything else.

I can see your shot quality is better than TTM or Sandy, that the ball is spinny and often deep, and you may not be playing 100% and perhaps playing your "B" game, because there may be some room. Still i could see you were not trying hard to move and that you made quite a few mistakes because of that. Maybe also, you missing the ball a few times after your first attack was because you were not 100% focused and not expecting the ball to come back.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Who are you? A due who make nicknames and stays up WAY too damn late. Man, it has gotta be 5 AM on East Coast, you are conscious, whether you stayed up, or simply got up early. You seem to sleep almost as little as Carl and I. Yeah, and Ur rating is Shytty as heck. 2100 USATT? PFFH.

Lol. Hahahaha.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

If anyone missed out on what that meant, it means NL is seriously pretty damn good TT player.

NextLevel also sees some things that most people may not because, to get to that level he has had to deal with sorting out ways to improve with a body that is unwilling to move. Having a joint disease like RA and working on table tennis has given him a good eye for certain things about adults trying to improve in this sport. Things that most people would not see, think of or realize.

But I have an eye for Der_Echte's antics. And soooo many of those times where he slams his blade onto the table (ever so gently), puts his hands on his hips, turns his head to one side and makes one expletive or another, he is doing an acting job. My daughter, the actress in the special school for acting would rate your performance with high marks. Hahaha. It gets me laughing every time. But you have skillzzzz in this area.

One of the things here is, this part and parcel with Der_'s people skillz that get everyone around him having sooooo much fun. It is not only a good show. It is part of a whole routine that over the course of 4-5 hours of play at a club, brings people who weren't even involved in the original group joining in and having fun to multiply the group effect and size.

Monster, man I am jealous that Der_ is on the left coast these days. Not much could get me there aside from my daughter getting work on that side of the planet or Der_Echte having a goon squad meet-up! [emoji2]


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[UpSideDownCarl]

I realized, the match I would have liked to video was Der playing vs Robert Chen at one of Robert's old clubs. Robert has had several clubs in NYC and he is a coach. He currently has a small club on Christie St in NYC Chinatown and a much larger club in Flushing Queens with 16 tables, high ceilings, good lighting, and, recently installed, top flight TT flooring.

Robert likes to play a tricky style where he moves people all around and makes them pay for their mistakes.

Watching that match, I realized how good Der really was. Robert was dropping balls to the short FH and waiting for the return to smack it to the BH side, and as I watched Der scoot to those balls and get back to rip the wide BH, I realized he could play much better than he ever had when he played me. [emoji2]

Mind you, Der played this match on 3 hours sleep after a 4 hour drive from Boston to NYC. He had also driven the day before on little sleep from Rochester to Boston to visit his daughter. So, no sleep and lots of driving: perhaps there was a quadruple shot cappuccino in the mix. Hahaha.

But after the first game of the match Robert Chen looked at me and said: "Holy Sh-t Carl, your friend is good! He is at least 2100!"

Now you guys don't know Robert too well. But he never gives out compliments like that unless the person has really earned it. He was amazed. And personally, I had never known that a grizzly bear could move so fast. Hahahaha.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

BTW: as far as my serves: Mark has helped me get my serves a lot better. But I am starting to realize, they still are now weaker than they should be based on how much better everything else has gotten. And I make most of my money showing heavy and then giving dead to open the attack. After several empty serves when I show heavy again, it will pay dividends.

But for a long time I didn't really realize my serves were lacking. But as the rest of my game improves, I realize the serves do need some work.

But so does my tactics for using my serves to set myself up.


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[Shuki]

BTW: as far as my serves: Mark has helped me get my serves a lot better. But I am starting to realize, they still are now weaker than they should be based on how much better everything else has gotten. And I make most of my money showing heavy and then giving dead to open the attack. After several empty serves when I show heavy again, it will pay dividends.

But for a long time I didn't really realize my serves were lacking. But as the rest of my game improves, I realize the serves do need some work.

But so does my tactics for using my serves to set myself up.


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This is very interesting to me. I frequently hear that my serves are higher level than most of my game. And I've always kind of thought this was said to everyone. Do higher level players tell you that your serves need work? Or is this something you realized on your own

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

This is very interesting to me. I frequently hear that my serves are higher level than most of my game. And I've always kind of thought this was said to everyone. Do higher level players tell you that your serves need work? Or is this something you realized on your own

Usually I get from higher level players that my serves are good. But I am realizing it is not as true as I would like to believe.

If there weren't certain considerations that trump my desire for more play time, I would try to spend an hour at least 2 times a week just practicing serves.

That being said, I also need to practice what comes back off my serves to be able to use my third ball more effectively regardless of what comes back.

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[Shuki]

@carl

I think most players under 2100 actually don't have great service. It's severely under practiced. And then compliments come about our service when it really isn't that great.

Lucky for you, You've got some friends that are actually very good at it and can help you improve service


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[ttmonster]

Great comments and observation so far.

@Carl : Der_Echte did tell me about the encounter with Robert Chen. And I know exactly what he was doing because when echte decides to move he does move

NL , whenever you have time , please post your thoughts / critiques about my game / Sandy's . Both of us are looking forward to your advise.