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The coordination and control/ball feeling this man has is out of this world
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So the guy who is the highest level adult learner I know just had a career win. Not sure he wants the attention but here it is.
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I think if you did martial arts, you would be great at creating a lot of power from the hip and transferring it up to the hand which is incredibly important in table tennis. One of the highest rated penholders here where I play is also an ex martial arts guy who has the hardest short stroke FH powerloop I've ever seen - he trains that stroke at 60-90 balls per second frequencies on his robot. He too mentioned that a lot of skills in martial arts and table tennis are transferable especially the part about producing power from the body.Played a tourney today. Have lost only to a guy that is the best in the group. With 11+ years of experience. But all games with him where so close - one or two point difference, besides one set, that i lose 11 to 4I need to be more patient like him, and not be so envy to straight winners from serve receive or third ball. Also have buyed a tripod, so would be able to upload some trainings and games in near future. For you guys, for those who won't believe that athleticism helps to learn basics of a game faster, and getting wins over much more experienced players with one year of playing TT as adult
I'm not that great at TT yet and have 0 martial arts experience but amazingly I recently went to an arcade punch machine and got the high score (9500) - didn't expect that at all!
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yesterday went to a mini tournament.
1st match
i play against a young defender kid with LP, he's a beginner and should be like 300 points below me.
he's not consistent in defense, not very dangerous attacking FH or BH. I cruise 11-4 in G1. and then i must have thought the match is over. and suddenly i stop doing the minimal efforts of getting low and in position and i start missing, and start getting nervous and missing a lot. suddenly its like I've never played LP. and i will lose this match 1-3, doing again and again the same mistakes + he got the extra bit of luck when it mattered.
There was more than 20 ways of winning this match, like just pushing or controlling and getting more focused but i didn't do it, can't understand why.
2nd match a veteran LP guy, push-block penholder. much more consistent than the kid. but i don't underestimate him. i win G1 easy, G2 less easy, G3 is a disaster, G4 big lead but then he got 3-4 lucky balls in a row and its 9-9 , fortunately i play v well the next 2 points and win.
3rd match i play a 8yo kid, son of the TT school owner, he's N3 in All-Japan in his age category. I saw him nearly beating a good player who was probably better than me. so i know i have to go all out. I play a very good match, win 3-1 thanks to good head start in G1 and G4 and good fight in G2. the kid also lost his confidence a bit in G4. i'm sure in 1 or 2 years max i can't beat him anymore.
4th match i play a coach here, he's a defender with LP, very high ranked player (4th in the national amateur competition STTA). its the last match of the day of the tournament, and everybody is watching so he decided to play 100% against me. despite some great very long rallies he gets back really everything loops, smashes, drop shots, and i don't understand at all his serve. any weak serve or shot i get punished and its 0-11...
but i adapt better and better, getting the first point of G2 after a long rally. 5-11 but it gets even better as i manage to finally get back his serve consistently by pushing or with FH loop instead of trying BH drive. I'm getting in the zone, play my best TT or even better, and i dominate in rallies in G3 but i get too tense at the end outing again his serves. 11-13.
the point is, its incredible that at a few hours interval, to 2 players of same style, one a beginner and one of national level, well i play from shit to very good. Can't find a rational explanation. in the meanwhile, my ranking is tanking (again)...
1st match
i play against a young defender kid with LP, he's a beginner and should be like 300 points below me.
he's not consistent in defense, not very dangerous attacking FH or BH. I cruise 11-4 in G1. and then i must have thought the match is over. and suddenly i stop doing the minimal efforts of getting low and in position and i start missing, and start getting nervous and missing a lot. suddenly its like I've never played LP. and i will lose this match 1-3, doing again and again the same mistakes + he got the extra bit of luck when it mattered.
There was more than 20 ways of winning this match, like just pushing or controlling and getting more focused but i didn't do it, can't understand why.
2nd match a veteran LP guy, push-block penholder. much more consistent than the kid. but i don't underestimate him. i win G1 easy, G2 less easy, G3 is a disaster, G4 big lead but then he got 3-4 lucky balls in a row and its 9-9 , fortunately i play v well the next 2 points and win.
3rd match i play a 8yo kid, son of the TT school owner, he's N3 in All-Japan in his age category. I saw him nearly beating a good player who was probably better than me. so i know i have to go all out. I play a very good match, win 3-1 thanks to good head start in G1 and G4 and good fight in G2. the kid also lost his confidence a bit in G4. i'm sure in 1 or 2 years max i can't beat him anymore.
4th match i play a coach here, he's a defender with LP, very high ranked player (4th in the national amateur competition STTA). its the last match of the day of the tournament, and everybody is watching so he decided to play 100% against me. despite some great very long rallies he gets back really everything loops, smashes, drop shots, and i don't understand at all his serve. any weak serve or shot i get punished and its 0-11...
but i adapt better and better, getting the first point of G2 after a long rally. 5-11 but it gets even better as i manage to finally get back his serve consistently by pushing or with FH loop instead of trying BH drive. I'm getting in the zone, play my best TT or even better, and i dominate in rallies in G3 but i get too tense at the end outing again his serves. 11-13.
the point is, its incredible that at a few hours interval, to 2 players of same style, one a beginner and one of national level, well i play from shit to very good. Can't find a rational explanation. in the meanwhile, my ranking is tanking (again)...
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Yes, it works exactly as you mentioned. I have the most powerful loop in my team (in power I mean spin and a speed combined), even with my weight about 74-75kg, so i rather the smallest. There are much bigger guys in the room always than me.
I played with some super experienced guys, and they all admitted they i powerloop like a national level player or a pro. Actually mostly, why i able to win dudes with many years of TT is my serve, and variety of it + power in my shots. In other aspects like: more steady playing style, stability etc, they are little bit ahead of me, but this things comes only with years and years of playing. But i have time, and abilities to have constantly train with very good coach, I have good training partners, so all this things will come, just need to keep practice.
Some guys, with fast equipment like zjk super zlc with two tenergy 05 on the first sight seemed like they have a powerful stroke too, but then they lose to an aged blocker badly, since ball has speed and not so much spin and keeps coming back. When i play against that type of a blocker, usually it’s one/two loops win shots cuz, after their block the ball goes straight to the stratosphere 😄
I’m not using crazy fast blades, innerforce type only, with D09c forehand, with D05 or D80 backhand
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And if we talking about punching power in martial arts, one people are just more gifted with it by Mother Nature, than others.
Since everyone, who trains on a good level, knows how to use hips and legs for getting more powerful punches. But some one can barely touch your head, with wrong part of the fist and you already gets KOd. Another needs to hit perfectly executed and technically correct 10-12 strikes to gain the same result. So maybe your are the gifted one, if you can score such a numbers on a machine 💪🏼😉
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Today I played in the weekly session again. And to make things better, I have a friend who came down to visit from the city, he normally plays around C grade I think.
I had a bit of a warm up with him, he is alright with the warm up strokes, and can block alright, as a penholder.
Then I played the usual players.
I first played the founder of the club who is 84. I wasn't able to play him last time as he has filled his quota of the session (3 players), understandable really. He has some nice serves, which catches me, and when I give a weaker return, he has a good backhand to kill my returns. But at 84, it is hard to move around the table, so if I was to serve wide, I win half the battle already. My forehands weren't bad, so I won 4-1. I also worked on using my backhands.
The player that I beat last 2 times as 4-3, first up. I lost the first set despite having a good lead.. but then I took the rest of the 4 sets. So I won 4-1. Several factors made me cruise a bit through him today. The floor somehow was NOT slippery! I didn't even have to use water on the ground and I was not slipping! Some kind of miracle. That really gave me the confidence to move alot better. And when I am confident to move, my forehands are much more deadlier. He says he has trouble when I hit big forehand loops right to his tummy area / elbow as he likes to block close to table, and my shots were landing near the edges. I was feeling quite up for it that I was even attempting bananas within the table! This I have not even attempted before as I was never feeling up for it but I believe all the fitness improvement that I gained really helped me, and having a better cardio also helps.
Then I played with my friend who came from city. He didn't want to play game as he feels he doesn't get to warm up properly. I used to feel that way when I first move here, where ppl just want to go straight to games or sort of neglect the warm up. I 'warmed up' with him for a considerably long time but I am getting bit exhausted without dinner and he still didn't want to play, so I leave it at that and let him play with someone else.
I then play the other player whom I beat 4-0 last time. This time, I beat him 4-0 again. I feel I seem to have worked out his tricks and broke through his serves etc. The sets were not too close, which is an improvement from the past, where even though I would beat him, most sets were close.
Overall another excellent session! I am starting to feel some reward from having good fitness and this was coupled by the fact that the floor was not slippery tonight (for whatever reason). I may get a chance to play again this Friday (which I have never attempted before), as it is a doubles session but the captain says we can go later and practice singles etc, so I will see how it goes. We are also discussing on going to another club in another town together another night to play other clubs (a fair drive), but will be interesting to play different players in a different town. It is all quite exciting really.
I had a bit of a warm up with him, he is alright with the warm up strokes, and can block alright, as a penholder.
Then I played the usual players.
I first played the founder of the club who is 84. I wasn't able to play him last time as he has filled his quota of the session (3 players), understandable really. He has some nice serves, which catches me, and when I give a weaker return, he has a good backhand to kill my returns. But at 84, it is hard to move around the table, so if I was to serve wide, I win half the battle already. My forehands weren't bad, so I won 4-1. I also worked on using my backhands.
The player that I beat last 2 times as 4-3, first up. I lost the first set despite having a good lead.. but then I took the rest of the 4 sets. So I won 4-1. Several factors made me cruise a bit through him today. The floor somehow was NOT slippery! I didn't even have to use water on the ground and I was not slipping! Some kind of miracle. That really gave me the confidence to move alot better. And when I am confident to move, my forehands are much more deadlier. He says he has trouble when I hit big forehand loops right to his tummy area / elbow as he likes to block close to table, and my shots were landing near the edges. I was feeling quite up for it that I was even attempting bananas within the table! This I have not even attempted before as I was never feeling up for it but I believe all the fitness improvement that I gained really helped me, and having a better cardio also helps.
Then I played with my friend who came from city. He didn't want to play game as he feels he doesn't get to warm up properly. I used to feel that way when I first move here, where ppl just want to go straight to games or sort of neglect the warm up. I 'warmed up' with him for a considerably long time but I am getting bit exhausted without dinner and he still didn't want to play, so I leave it at that and let him play with someone else.
I then play the other player whom I beat 4-0 last time. This time, I beat him 4-0 again. I feel I seem to have worked out his tricks and broke through his serves etc. The sets were not too close, which is an improvement from the past, where even though I would beat him, most sets were close.
Overall another excellent session! I am starting to feel some reward from having good fitness and this was coupled by the fact that the floor was not slippery tonight (for whatever reason). I may get a chance to play again this Friday (which I have never attempted before), as it is a doubles session but the captain says we can go later and practice singles etc, so I will see how it goes. We are also discussing on going to another club in another town together another night to play other clubs (a fair drive), but will be interesting to play different players in a different town. It is all quite exciting really.
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School and work has made it hard to get out to play any TT - so I have been doing the next best thing and watching TT lol.
I have been watching a lot of matches on this youtube channel in Canada. I don't understand how their ratings work but the matches are kinda fun - it seems this (I think Nigerian Canadian) is their best club player.
The channel owner has a pretty smooth game as well - he is the one I started watching and really enjoy watching. Here he is playing the Nigerian (which makes the channel owner look worse than he really is, you can check for his matches, really smooth amateur topspin on both sides with good movement).
I have been watching a lot of matches on this youtube channel in Canada. I don't understand how their ratings work but the matches are kinda fun - it seems this (I think Nigerian Canadian) is their best club player.
The channel owner has a pretty smooth game as well - he is the one I started watching and really enjoy watching. Here he is playing the Nigerian (which makes the channel owner look worse than he really is, you can check for his matches, really smooth amateur topspin on both sides with good movement).
Had a pretty good day at the club yesterday. Got to play with one of the 2 guys at the club who likes to train, so we did some training. We're the only 3 regulars who are steadily improving our levels of play. Coincidence? I think not!
Anyhow, we did mostly FH brush loop training. His success rate is rather low, so it was general training for him. For me, the training is both on blocking (I'm really terrible at it), and to add quality to my loop. I've been chicken arming the brush loop to prevent it from going out of bounds, but I see the pros usually use a full stroke. I tried doing that and lowering the angle so it'd still land on the table, made some good progress with that. A somewhat unexpected side benefit is that because in order to do the full stroke you need to get into better position and stance, I started becoming more active with my footwork.
Afterwards we placed a match to see if we can apply our learnings. We both saw some improvements, though my focus was on utilizing my BH. I've been doing a lot of FH/BH trainings the past couple of days with the robot, and it's making a pretty big difference. I don't really have to think about using the FH or BH quite as much, and that helps tremendously with my response time and consistency. He's lower rated than me, partly because he just can't read my serves, so I mostly just served short backspin to him and try to loop his push back. He usually pushes softly, which made me realize that my recent training hasn't had much BH loop vs. half-long backspins.
When I got home, I did some training with BH loop vs. half-long backspins, and added it to my general BH loop vs. backspin drill. I also did some more FH/BH topspin trainings and service trainings. I'm trying to loosen up my wrist on services, and just loosen up in general.. My movements are just so rigid everywhere, it's gonna take some time to correct.
Anyhow, we did mostly FH brush loop training. His success rate is rather low, so it was general training for him. For me, the training is both on blocking (I'm really terrible at it), and to add quality to my loop. I've been chicken arming the brush loop to prevent it from going out of bounds, but I see the pros usually use a full stroke. I tried doing that and lowering the angle so it'd still land on the table, made some good progress with that. A somewhat unexpected side benefit is that because in order to do the full stroke you need to get into better position and stance, I started becoming more active with my footwork.
Afterwards we placed a match to see if we can apply our learnings. We both saw some improvements, though my focus was on utilizing my BH. I've been doing a lot of FH/BH trainings the past couple of days with the robot, and it's making a pretty big difference. I don't really have to think about using the FH or BH quite as much, and that helps tremendously with my response time and consistency. He's lower rated than me, partly because he just can't read my serves, so I mostly just served short backspin to him and try to loop his push back. He usually pushes softly, which made me realize that my recent training hasn't had much BH loop vs. half-long backspins.
When I got home, I did some training with BH loop vs. half-long backspins, and added it to my general BH loop vs. backspin drill. I also did some more FH/BH topspin trainings and service trainings. I'm trying to loosen up my wrist on services, and just loosen up in general.. My movements are just so rigid everywhere, it's gonna take some time to correct.
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I managed to get a bit of practice in yesterday.
Although I'm terrible at practicing drills and we usually hit for about 15 mins before doing some match practice!
Here are some of the points from my first partner.
He has short pips on his red side.
It was the first time I'd ever played him, and it took a while to get used to his style!
Some good shots in the video though!
Although I'm terrible at practicing drills and we usually hit for about 15 mins before doing some match practice!
Here are some of the points from my first partner.
He has short pips on his red side.
It was the first time I'd ever played him, and it took a while to get used to his style!
Some good shots in the video though!
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Trained a little yesterday evening for the first time in about 10 days - too busy to get out as much but there should be a window this weekend. Did a lot of practice trying to spin the ball very slowly in fast rallies - the shot is probably useless but it is part of my range training.
It isn't obvious to people on video all the time but I have zero ability to do anything plyometric - something about my knees doesn't allow me to even jump or run anymore so I have to find workarounds and have basically put most of the onus on my calves.
On the EJ front, one thing I found interesting was that I could get better quality loops on the ball with my forehand rubber on my backhand. I am not entirely sure I want to go to my forehand rubber on both sides though. But it is something I will keep at the back of my mind and consider testing if I feel I should try it to double down on a certain playing style.
It isn't obvious to people on video all the time but I have zero ability to do anything plyometric - something about my knees doesn't allow me to even jump or run anymore so I have to find workarounds and have basically put most of the onus on my calves.
On the EJ front, one thing I found interesting was that I could get better quality loops on the ball with my forehand rubber on my backhand. I am not entirely sure I want to go to my forehand rubber on both sides though. But it is something I will keep at the back of my mind and consider testing if I feel I should try it to double down on a certain playing style.
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I've found the same thing in practice, but in a match setting I feel like I more often get less opportunity to use the extra quality afforded by a harder rubber on my bh. I generally prefer to open with the backhand as people are more comfortable pushing to that side and for that I experience more safety with a softer sponge, whereas my fh is generally reserved for popups and counter/blocking situations where the extra stability and pop from a firmer rubber I think is easier to access and utilize.
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In my case, my backhand was technically better than my forehand when I was lower rated, I won much more points with backhand opening and backhand exchanges. I closed the gap a bit more, but my concern is more about what will happen with more passive play, because as you pointed out, things that feel comfortable in practice might break down at the time when you need to be safest. But it is something I will keep at the back of my mind, I have used hard tacky sponge on both sides before (and some would say I am doing it now lol. 50 degrees is not soft), but I am just thinking that maybe using extra hard sponge on both sides might be the way to go because since I play high arcing topspin, harder sponge tends to make my ball trajectory lower and better quality.
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When did Emmanuel start playing/learning? What is his training regime? props to him for beating a 2500+ rated player.
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It's a great question. He was an unrated amateur in the 1800 range or so around 2013/2014. He started training and playing more seriously around 2015, got into tournaments soon after and was already pushing 2000‐2100 around 2017 in practice matches. By the time I first played him informally he was around 2250 already so I never really had a chance to beat him lol.
He has worked with a lot of the coaches and juniors in Atlanta and he is very athletic. So that always defined his game even when he wasn't so good.
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To put it in perspective many people ehonused to be able to beat him can't get a game off hu I'm now.
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I went to play at the Friday am session, first time ever.
It runs from 8am-12pm (noon). I've been told it is a doubles session and is often flooded by ppl, so I went with my friend at 10am.
It was still pretty full but we managed to find a table. We warmed up for a few min then ppl came and ask to play double with us. So to make things bit more even, my friend and I split up on different sides. I won the first doubles. Then we went and found some other people who used to play singles on the Tues night session to play a doubles. This time my friend chose to pair with me, and we won that doubles.
Then the hall was not as busy as before, so we started to train. I was mainly focusing on my backhand.
Then I played a singles with a teenager, whom I never lost before, and with me starting at -8 and him at 0, I won 4-0. I was trying to do more backhand returns, and was getting more comfortable with it.
Then I played a player whom I have not played before, his returns are quite spinny in comparison to other players at that club, so that was good for me too, but he is not as young. We kept playing, and I was again trying to use my bh more, not doing much pivoting at the bh corner to force myself to use bh. I still won 5-0.
Then we called it a day. I do feel more confident with my backhands, and perhaps that was because of playing twice this week. But next week I can't attend the Tues night session due to work, so hopefully my friend can make the Friday session and I would come if he is going.
It runs from 8am-12pm (noon). I've been told it is a doubles session and is often flooded by ppl, so I went with my friend at 10am.
It was still pretty full but we managed to find a table. We warmed up for a few min then ppl came and ask to play double with us. So to make things bit more even, my friend and I split up on different sides. I won the first doubles. Then we went and found some other people who used to play singles on the Tues night session to play a doubles. This time my friend chose to pair with me, and we won that doubles.
Then the hall was not as busy as before, so we started to train. I was mainly focusing on my backhand.
Then I played a singles with a teenager, whom I never lost before, and with me starting at -8 and him at 0, I won 4-0. I was trying to do more backhand returns, and was getting more comfortable with it.
Then I played a player whom I have not played before, his returns are quite spinny in comparison to other players at that club, so that was good for me too, but he is not as young. We kept playing, and I was again trying to use my bh more, not doing much pivoting at the bh corner to force myself to use bh. I still won 5-0.
Then we called it a day. I do feel more confident with my backhands, and perhaps that was because of playing twice this week. But next week I can't attend the Tues night session due to work, so hopefully my friend can make the Friday session and I would come if he is going.
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