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Thanks ttmonster! I shall try that. I have always had that question, whether rotation of my waist will cause the ball to go more towards my left side, in case I want to serve more to the right side.
Wonderful improvement JeffM , congratulations !!.... here is an idea to try out. Have a clear visual of the serve in your mind and then actually watch the ball till it makes contact with your rubber and then follow the ball with your eyes. I personally think you can now try to get lower by spreading your legs a little wider and adding a little waist , rotating motion to get read for the third ball ... I will let others comment if that is a good idea from here on ...
 
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Thanks Boogar! I will try work on the stance. Initially I leave it out because I was worried it will mess up my timing and position of contact of the ball. I like the photo, nice stance : )
very nice serves Jeff !
I wont comment much as i think your serves are better than mine alrdy :)
As monster said you can now start to work on your stance, wheight transer, hip rotation and recovery.
Meaning: Let your left leg/Hip touch the right side of the table while placing the right leg back.. ah my english isnt good enough to describe it.

Wait here is a picture of USD Carl :) to underline my argument. I hope thats okay for you carl, i took the photo from a video of NL

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You are getting pretty much under the ball as you need to. You are discovering that a little higher impact point is giving you consistent result of a double bounce.

At this stage of development that is important. At some point, you will need to be able to accelerate the bat much faster in a short distance. You are not getting much spin on the ball. You will need to be able to generate much more spin to get changes in variation to make your match serves effective.

It never comes together in one day, heck, it took me over a year practicing every day for my serves to be an asset.
 
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Jeff M , even though he does not get into a lot breakdown about the penhold serve, he makes some excellent points, incase you haven't seen this video here is a treat ... included the playlist in case you want to watch other videos in that list ...

 
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Jeff M , even though he does not get into a lot breakdown about the penhold serve, he makes some excellent points, incase you haven't seen this video here is a treat ... included the playlist in case you want to watch other videos in that list ...

Thanks for the video, ttmonster! Very straight forward. I guess I need to practice my facial expression too at some stage :cool::rolleyes:
 
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You are getting pretty much under the ball as you need to. You are discovering that a little higher impact point is giving you consistent result of a double bounce.

At this stage of development that is important. At some point, you will need to be able to accelerate the bat much faster in a short distance. You are not getting much spin on the ball. You will need to be able to generate much more spin to get changes in variation to make your match serves effective.

It never comes together in one day, heck, it took me over a year practicing every day for my serves to be an asset.

JeffM,

Again, like I said, watch the Brett Clarke videos and take notes. He talks about the optimal motion for serving in this one below. This is how you accelerate the racket over a short distance and get massive amounts of spin. It makes it easier to disguise spin changes with subtle changes in contact point and racket angle. You have to shake into the ball, so to speak and ideally with a smaller motion, though you can use a larger motion as well as long as you stop contact at the ball - the larger motions are harder to control though. This should be your next step and is the most important one and is related to the proper use of the "Wrist" in serving. Again practice this *away* from the table with floor and bed serves before you try to serve at the table. Too many people focus on generating spin at the table while serving and this limits their potential because they get so concerned with making the serve that they don't get really good spinny contact with a fast whip motion. IF you practice getting the spin first, then being at the table is more about control.


After you get better at this, the next step is spin variation - you want to be able to reduce the amount of spin on your serve by varying the contact point and swing speed with subtle changes. This is why it is recommended that you don't reveal too much of your swing or elbow while serving so people have less clues to tell how fast the racket is moving. By rule, they don't have to see the whole swing, they just have to see the ball and the contact. IF you can vary between no spin and light backspin and heavy backspin while making the swings and balls look fairly similar, you will put fair into the hearts of your opponents as they will be pushing no spin balls into the sky and backspin balls into the net. Even the ones that push your no spin balls low will still have to deal with your attack. You will also be able to transfer the spin variation to other serves.

When you have the variation, then being able to rotate into the ball to carry your momentum towards the table and facilitate recovery is the useful. But in my experience, it doesn't generate that much spin by itself. IT's really about being able to get the whip motion. If you use the rotation to enhance the whip motion, then the rotation is good. But if you just rotate without the whip motion, then you end up not transferring much into the ball. Rotating tends to help recovery so it is good in that regard.
 
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So I think I have finally figured out how to consistently hit a powerful heavy topspin forehand drive with a technique I like. It works best with Tenergy though I am sure any rubber will help. I think there is a grip that works with it but I am sure you could use any grip. I will share video later. The problem of course is having the confidence to hit the ball that way consintently injury be damned. We shall see.
 
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very nice serves Jeff !
I wont comment much as i think your serves are better than mine alrdy :)
As monster said you can now start to work on your stance, wheight transer, hip rotation and recovery.
Meaning: Let your left leg/Hip touch the right side of the table while placing the right leg back.. ah my english isnt good enough to describe it.

Wait here is a picture of USD Carl :) to underline my argument. I hope thats okay for you carl, i took the photo from a video of NL

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Hopefully in will get some new match footage some day. My serve stance and leg position has changed a tiny bit. I would like to see it on footage. I should be lower and more relaxed. [emoji2]

But my serves have never been a weakness.



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Advice.

Quit worrying about exact stance and get the timing for a whipping short motion that moves the bat in a hurry from a relaxed grip and stance.

Tense muscles won't accelerate worth crap.

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Advice.

Quit worrying about exact stance and get the timing for a whipping short motion that moves the bat in a hurry from a relaxed grip and stance.

Tense muscles won't accelerate worth crap.

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Given our different athletic abilities, DerEchte and I sometimes disagree on technical details but we also agree that there is a lot of crap people tell you to do that is only necessary if you want to play marginally better. People focus on such crap and miss the really important stuff.
 
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Something I was doing with the stance from the photo ttm posted was keeping my legs tense and I was not getting as much hips in my serves as I could. A slight shift helped a bit. Not a big deal. But not a big change.


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Last time I had a racket fly out of my hand while serving was about 5.5 years ago and I had only had 3 hours sleep and was probably too tired to be playing but too addicted to playing to go home and sleep after work. LOL.

Try without the ball and see if the racket comes out of your hand. If it does, the index finger and thumb need to hold a little more.

Part of the idea is that the index finger and thumb can hold while the wrist stays relaxed.


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Last time I had a racket fly out of my hand while serving was about 5.5 years ago and I had only had 3 hours sleep and was probably too tired to be playing but too addicted to playing to go home and sleep after work. LOL.

Try without the ball and see if the racket comes out of your hand. If it does, the index finger and thumb need to hold a little more.

Part of the idea is that the index finger and thumb can hold while the wrist stays relaxed.


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Haha the addiction to play is strong.
Ok I will try. Although with penhold, i think I need the middle finger to hold too, which doesn't really help with the relaxing the wrist.
Sometimes I wish I am a shakehander because so many educational videos are done in shakehand nowadays.
 
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Haha the addiction to play is strong.
Ok I will try. Although with penhold, i think I need the middle finger to hold too, which doesn't really help with the relaxing the wrist.
Sometimes I wish I am a shakehander because so many educational videos are done in shakehand nowadays.

You might be right. I wasn't thinking about the difference in our grips.

Well, try without the ball and see what happens.


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I can tell you the feeling that I try to achieve with shakehand , may be that is something that you can transfer to your penhold . I try to feel as if I am trying to grab the topsheet of the rubber with my forefinger and thumb ...

here is some more material on the topic , I found this blog post pretty informative ...

http://blog.paddlepalace.com/2011/12/why-is-your-grip-pressure-so-important/
 
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Thanks Carl. I watched the video already which NL posted too, but I just wonder if you guys have any tips on how to relax the wrist yet not let the racket fly away.

That is actually a different video.
 
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