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I'm seeing what NL is seeing, I think.

Your movement's speed is very even. There's not that much acceleration. However I noticed that your backswing HAS improved! There is a little whip in it.

Perhaps try to think more of an accelerating movement, getting slower near the backswing and speed up into the stroke? It has helped me get away from a stiff arm, because it will feel very bad if you're tensing up.
 
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You have a clicky press? :D

I usually put it under a heavy book and let it stay there for about half an hour.
The curling is because the preboosting effect has wore off. Meaning you either have to reboost the rubber or live with it. Streching the rubber onto the blade does not seem to be a good solution to me.

I don't have a clicky press but it seems Carl has one or my eyes are deceiving me ;)

The curling started after I put glue on the rubbers. Because I got some delay since the second layer of glue on the blade didn't really cooperate in the beginning, lets say the rubber was on the table for a little less than an hour (with glue on it).

A dome like when boosting or reverse dome like opposite of boosting?
I don't think that has to do with the blade.


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It's a reverse dome like the opposite of boosting.

It indeed has nothing to do with the blade, it happened after the rubber with glue on it was lying on the table.
 
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Some may have noticed (or not) that I haven't posted on this thread for a while. Today I played my first time since 10 days ago. This feeling is the worst ever. It wasn't like I stopped for months, but because prior to this 'pause', I had been playing quite frequently, the loss of touch is quite disappointing. While I know this is something I can regain if I play more frequently again, this is not possible now due to exam preparation.

So, despite getting rusty, life goes on, and games have to be played at the club, when people ask to play with you xD

1st match: against my ex teammate - penholder, I still played alright, despite losing the touch of both my RPB and forehand dramatically. Yet, still manage to win 3-1.

2nd match: against my friend who has really deceptive serve and generally safe looping - I lost the first 2 sets, then somehow managed to win 2 back through some really close sets (within 2 points), but then lost the 5th set as he said he will play more seriously.. I didn't play remarkable, but I did get a counterloop in, which made me feel better as I did not expect that from not playing for a while.

From how things are going to be this coming week, my next playing opportunity will probably be 7 days from now. The struggle is real. Not able to play is starting to be painful again. I cannot believe I am feeling this now, thinking back 2 years ago when I had to take a break after an operation, 10 days should have been a walk in the park, but coming from 3 times a week, it appears not ;)
 
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Today I was bored and thought, why not making a clicky press. I had some leftover MDF from another project and that should do the job. First drawn the shape on the PC, printed it, cut it out and drawn the shape on the wood. Then I took the jigsaw and tried to saw as close to the line as possible:

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The jigsaw had its best time, so it was a bit challenging.


Since I don't have a belt grinder or something like that, finishing the shapes had to be done with sanding paper. I took some grit 60 sanding paper and after a while I started getting somewhere:

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A little later I had two identical and symmetrical parts:

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Then I had to mark the drill holes:

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On that picture you can't see the location for the middle bolts yet.

Unfortunately I couldn't drill the holes yet because my drill press is at my friend's place. Of course I also could have taken the hand drill, but it can be a bit challenging to drill 100% vertically. Next week I'll go to the hardware store to get some bolts, washers and wing nuts, or I can see if they have these fancy star knobs.

There should be enough space for larger blades as well. The thickness of the MDF should prevent any flexing when tightened.

As you can see, it isn't too hard to make your own racket press, it just requires a bit of your time.
 
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I don't have a clicky press but it seems Carl has one or my eyes are deceiving me ;)

You are right. I have one. I use it because it is convenient. With fresh glue you don't need it for more than a few min. The design is flawed. The bolts cause the wood of the press to be pulled down and the sides and the wood flexes so you get pressure on the edges and not in the center if you tighten more than a small amount. But what I actually do is stand on it for a few seconds.

Truthfully, I can press with my forearm and don't need it. But it is useful anyway.

Suga D has something that looks nice where it looks like he has a strap to apply the pressure instead of bolts. I think his may actually work better than The Clicky Press.



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As far as blade review. I hit with my TB ZLF and I did not like the feel of the Koto top ply. Funny. I guess it has been that long since I used it. I just like the feel of Limba better.

And MX-P and FX-P, now I realize what a high throw angle T05 has. The MX-P feels great on my blade. But the throw angle is lower than I was expecting. And now I can feel how much spin T05 really gets.

Well, all good.


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That's what I've read too, there could be some flex when tightening the bolts. I've read that some people made a racket press from the same wood that I'm using and they claimed that there wasn't any flex, but I'll find out myself.

I've seen Suga D's clamp, it's a Donic Rubber Press if I recall correctly. I can imagine that such a design puts less stress on the two halves.

You are right. I have one. I use it because it is convenient. With fresh glue you don't need it for more than a few min. The design is flawed. The bolts cause the wood of the press to be pulled down and the sides and the wood flexes so you get pressure on the edges and not in the center if you tighten more than a small amount. But what I actually do is stand on it for a few seconds.

Truthfully, I can press with my forearm and don't need it. But it is useful anyway.

Suga D has something that looks nice where it looks like he has a strap to apply the pressure instead of bolts. I think his may actually work better than The Clicky Press.



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As far as blade review. I hit with my TB ZLF and I did not like the feel of the Koto top ply. Funny. I guess it has been that long since I used it. I just like the feel of Limba better.

And MX-P and FX-P, now I realize what a high throw angle T05 has. The MX-P feels great on my blade. But the throw angle is lower than I was expecting. And now I can feel how much spin T05 really gets.

Well, all good.


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I was going to warn you but decided it wasn't worth it. I do play with T80 nowadays so I can say that high throw angle is not everything and is actually a negative for me against many players. But MX-P is definitely more of a drive rubber.
 
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I was going to warn you but decided it wasn't worth it. I do play with T80 nowadays so I can say that high throw angle is not everything and is actually a negative for me against many players. But MX-P is definitely more of a drive rubber.

Seems pretty accurate. I agree. Makes me realize why SmashFan called it a low throw rubber. When I started using it the first time the previous rubber I was using was Victas
V>01 Stiff and that rubber is darn fast but the throw angle is also pretty low. So in comparison, MX-P felt slow and seemed to be high throw.

My next set of rubbers, I will debate if I want to try EL-S or go back to some version of Tenergy.

It is interesting how when I was using the TB ZLF I never fully realized that I didn't like the hard top ply because the Zylon makes it soft underneath. But I always longed for that wood feeling. I didn't fully realize it was Limba that I was missing. Not just wood. And when I played with the V'King (Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto like an Avalox P-500) it was pretty soon after when I used the TB ZLF so it was fairly easy getting used to. It had a ton of wood feeling but not the Limba I wanted.

Gotta say, the Virtuoso Plus is an awesome blade.


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Seems pretty accurate. I agree. Makes me realize why SmashFan called it a low throw rubber. When I started using it the first time the previous rubber I was using was Victas
V>01 Stiff and that rubber is darn fast but the throw angle is also pretty low. So in comparison, MX-P felt slow and seemed to be high throw.

My next set of rubbers, I will debate if I want to try EL-S or go back to some version of Tenergy.


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It is high throw, especially on drives, but compared to T05, it is not as good for spinny looping or as high. The main thing is that both rubbers respond to relatively similar looping technique.

The thing though is that I really like T80, so I am thinking that if I had to go to the Evolution Series, after seeing Lebesson, I would probably embrace FX-P and not overthink all this soft rubber vs hard rubber stuff. I am all about quick arm acceleration.
 
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On another note, I actually got to do almost 4 hours of training today. Felt good. I will also get to train tomorrow. And tomorrow I train with Mark Croitoroo so, well, it will be awesome.

Even though he can only play lefty now, I still have so much fun training with him and learn so much. And he is probably 1800 lefty now. Pretty cool. And some of the stuff he does just has so much spin because how much he knows.

Too bad he still can't play righty. What a crazy neck/shoulder injury.


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So I went into the club today to support my students who were playing. An underestimated reason why students have good strokes but play poorly is that they don't have their coaches around to teach them match strategy in real time. The coach who helped me break USATT 2000 often traveled with me to tournaments for free and even when Brett was here, I played one league and two tournaments where he saw me play matches because I wanted to get his read on the match in real time so I could understand how he felt about my game or what I needed to work on. It also helps the coach see what the student may need to fix to win matches if the coach has a just-in-time element to his training to fix problems seen in matches.

My lady student has decent form but she doesn't play enough and often misses the essential element of ball control ( spin generation). She is not fundamentally athletic and I am pretty close to moving her to short pips because I get the impression she consistently wants to take the ball early but unfortunately, she also perpetually drops her paddle and swings upwards and often swipes at the ball when it is short without imparting much spin. Her short strokes and balanced form are her saving grace and she looks really good, she just lacks the ball instincts. She lost all her matches but managed to wind up in 2nd place because there were only two rated players in the lowest event :). Unfortunately, I was sometimes too loud when I sighed in obvious displeasure and she heard me while playing. Will have to work on that. She needs to develop a consistent desire to spin the ball - she too often is satisfied to just hit it. That said, I might just move away from spin and get her work on speed and touch as a weapon with pips.

I then served with a brand of spinny short pips to see how it compared to inverted. I thought I wasn't getting as much spin as I would with inverted but that said, the video doesn't lie - the ball was pretty spinny.


Then my temp student played in the U1650. He ultimately won the event largely on the strength of his defense, which many people found funny since they remembered him as someone who tried to swing hard at everything. Today, probably because of tournament pressure, he didn't find that middle ground between defense and offense as well as I would have liked. On one hand, he needed to realize that his opponents were weaker enough than he was that as long as he opened with heavy spin, he had IMO a 90%+ chance of winning the point. On the other hand, the opponents were so weak that they couldn't punish him consistently enough for pushing - that might change if he plays the higher events tomorrow. He also didn't read the short sidespin serve well but that is a common error. He needs to clean up his serve tosses and I will continue to work with him on that.

I almost cost him the match too. Up 2-1, I told him he had to be more aggressive and stop pushing all the time and look for the opening topspin more so that the kid wouldn't build his rhythm. But when he did that, he lost badly and missed the majority of his openers. So I told him to play how he felt comfortable and to open only when he felt comfortable doing so and that fixed the result in the 5th game. I felt that if the kid was more consistent after attacking, the kid could have won the match.

Here is the match:


Tomorrow, I play my events. I hope my left knee cooperates because it has been a pain all week. I played the defender at my club (haven't played him in a while) and he seemed impressed by the changes to my game. I have tried to improve my forehand by working on taking the ball earlier like I do on my backhand but I think that will take time to implement and will likely not be on the table consistently tomorrow. But in any case, we play for fun, do our best, and let the Gods determine the result. But doing my best is not optional.

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NL, that video pains me so much. I've seen far too many missed opportunities in the first 10 min already. I just want to go in there and tell him to stop pushing!

However he has some very good things in his game that I can see. His serves are good and nearly all of the returns he gets are weak returns, and look how well things went at 8:30 when he attacked the return. That's really good: it went right past his opponent. 9:35 as well, the kid's push is worse than his and he has a loop to back up his serve and push.

If he can play like that comfortably, people will start asking who his coach is. ;)

Also, where does the mistake at 12:20, on the backhand loop, come from? I do that often enough to remember it: but why?
 
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Archo, his weight transfer is all wrong in that moment, he stands up to soon and goes backwards to adjust.

If he stayed down a little lower a little longer, he would have had a good chance to explode upwards on balance on time.

Sometime I make the same error if I make a mistake on seeing when the ball is coming. If I am fooled on the timing of the ball, I will look silly.

For you personally, just be relaxed and wait a little longer before going into action, you have a lot of time against such a ball.
 
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Here is the match:

I found the square bat the guy in the white t-shirt in the background is using to be quite interesting (and why is he wearing a white t-shirt, that's a table tennis sin! :D). Someone from my old club uses a square and larger than normal bat for chopping as well, I wonder how common it is.
 
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Went to my usual Saturday lesson. Felt really tired today maybe due to me not getting enough rest during the work week. Posted a very edited short video. I edited out all the huffing, puffing and wheezing :D Your opinions and critiques are welcomed.

1. I still notice i am not relaxing enough and once i get ramped up...i cannot slow myself down. Must remember to maintain a medium pace so i can feel i have enough energy to finish the lesson and maintain proper techniques.

2. My backhand is coming along slowly...still have a lot of timing issues. I keep dropping the racket too low sometimes.

3. Tried the Otcharov backhand serve at the end of the training session...i can get the effect where the opposing player will pop up the return, just don't have the timing down to do the backhand loop kill yet.

Here is my bit of backhand dilemma. Modern coaches advocate a short wrist snap backhand even when looping. The benefits is you get a short stroke, wont be late to the ball and its safer. But i learned a lot of my backhand techniques in the 80s and i feel dropping the racket and meeting the ball semi-low will generate a lot of spin. Yes, i know the 80s backhand is not quick enough for the modern game...too big of a stroke.

Here is a 7 minute edited video of my training session. Thanks:D
 
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NCTTA tournament= 1 week from now.
USATT tournament = 2 weeks from now.

Played today and asked my opponent after losing in the 5th game, if they think I can get to 1800 by the end of the tournament. To which they responded "why do you want to lose your matches?" That felt good.
 
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Won against J and Nina and a couple I get one point for win and lost to Nam... should gain 7 pts to go to 2040 for elite league NoVaTTC... and the 2000+ rated crowd have true usatt ratings close to their league rating... Fred has 2100 rating and dipped below 2000 though.

Ironically at my main club, Smash TTC, I might dip into the 1700s this week if the trend line remains the same.

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Won against Jie and Naveen and a couple I get one point for win and lost to Nam... should gain 7 pts to go to 2040 for elite league NoVaTTC... and the 2000+ rated crowd have true usatt ratings close to their league rating... Fred has 2100 rating and dipped below 2000 though.

Ironically at my main club, Smash TTC, I might dip into the 1700s this week if the trend line remains the same.

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This pic is from last week. Jie is 2000 and Naveen is O2000. Got by both this week.

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