DHS 968 Thread

[Wrighty67]

Interesting.... yeah during the delivery I was discussing with him about Golden Viscaria... (this blade has also been on my mind for some time), but taking into account the recent experience and that Golden Vis is a $700+ blade, I took my desires on hold... I'm dying to see how the current situation will be finished.

Me too - I have also got a golden vis on order from another source but am keen to see how a Vis made for FZD compares, as I assume it is top quality. We will see...

 

[rbtitco]

Crazy. Sorry this happened to you, but hopefully everything will work out and he'll make it right. Not sure how a blade in that condition got mailed out.

 

[dingyibvs]

So I've been waffling between the Viscaria and the W968. The FH feels so amazing on the W968, but even with the FH it can be difficult to access at times during real matches. The BH can be an issue especially at lower level against slower incoming balls or in trying to kill opportunity balls. It's just tough to generate quality when the incoming ball doesn't have quality. OTOH, the Viscaria for the FH feels very difficult to control. If I really hit into the blade the way I like to, the ball has a rather flat trajectory and consistency suffer.

So now I'm thinking about a blade somewhere in between the two. It kind of sounds like the S968 may be the best compromise? Is the Q968 too close to the W968? Will the S968 lose too much of the W968's FH characteristics? I guess the only way to really find out is to try it out myself. I might try to see if I can get a S968 during my trip to China next month.

 

[joshmak10]

So I've been waffling between the Viscaria and the W968. The FH feels so amazing on the W968, but even with the FH it can be difficult to access at times during real matches. The BH can be an issue especially at lower level against slower incoming balls or in trying to kill opportunity balls. It's just tough to generate quality when the incoming ball doesn't have quality. OTOH, the Viscaria for the FH feels very difficult to control. If I really hit into the blade the way I like to, the ball has a rather flat trajectory and consistency suffer.

So now I'm thinking about a blade somewhere in between the two. It kind of sounds like the S968 may be the best compromise? Is the Q968 too close to the W968? Will the S968 lose too much of the W968's FH characteristics? I guess the only way to really find out is to try it out myself. I might try to see if I can get a S968 during my trip to China next month.

I currently use my Viscaria now. I had the same thing as you. I really love the Fh of my Prov W968 but it’s hard to activate power on my BH. The viscaria is a perfect balance between the two. and even tho the Fh is worse on Vis, I don’t have any problems controlling it. I’ve heard that the Q968 is easier to activate the BH than W968 while S968 feels like outer carbon but slower than viscaria (based on reviews by Gan and TT Passion Winson) but don’t take my word for it.

 

[dingyibvs]

BTW, here's a good review on the commercial vs. official (numbers/national) vs. player version S968 on Bilibili. A provincial female player did a blind test against a high level male player. For those who don't understand Chinese basically the official version has the thickest handle while the player version the thinnest with corresponding weight distribution. The commercial version is the bounciest but lacks power with hard loops, while the player version has the most power but is very difficult to activate. Sounds like for us the official/national S968 is probably the best choice as the player version sounds more similar to the W968:

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[dingyibvs]

I currently use my Viscaria now. I had the same thing as you. I really love the Fh of my Prov W968 but it’s hard to activate power on my BH. The viscaria is a perfect balance between the two. and even tho the Fh is worse on Vis, I don’t have any problems controlling it. I’ve heard that the Q968 is easier to activate the BH than W968 while S968 feels like outer carbon but slower than viscaria (based on reviews by Gan and TT Passion Winson) but don’t take my word for it.

My experience with the Vis is quite similar to when I played with the TB ALC many years ago. I basically had to change my technique to play with it effectively, with a lot of brushing over the ball, closing the angle when looping to maximize brushing. The issue is that that's not a very stable technique if you use a bigger swing with straighter arm as you can't really form a nice compact arc around the ball. It really works best when you keep the elbow closer to the body, then your looping motion forms a smaller arc and it can wrap around the ball nicely. It's very effective, but not the way I really like to play. If I get a block or weak loop, I'd like to put maximum power into it, and if I use the Vis then I need extremely precise technique or the ball will randomly tank into the net or go way out.

The other issue is in attacking backspins. With the W968 I can really hit into the ball and still get a good arc, resulting in devastating loop drives against all sorts of backspins, but with the Vis I need to brush loop much more often because the arc is too flat. It's a different story on the BH side though, as the motion is much smaller and with the Vis I can hit into it and the ball will just go, whereas with the W968 I have to brush more as if I hit into it I often just eat the spin. I think it's because I can't hit it hard it on the BH side against slower backspins to actually utilize the dwell.

 

[joshmak10]

My experience with the Vis is quite similar to when I played with the TB ALC many years ago. I basically had to change my technique to play with it effectively, with a lot of brushing over the ball, closing the angle when looping to maximize brushing. The issue is that that's not a very stable technique if you use a bigger swing with straighter arm as you can't really form a nice compact arc around the ball. It really works best when you keep the elbow closer to the body, then your looping motion forms a smaller arc and it can wrap around the ball nicely. It's very effective, but not the way I really like to play. If I get a block or weak loop, I'd like to put maximum power into it, and if I use the Vis then I need extremely precise technique or the ball will randomly tank into the net or go way out.

The other issue is in attacking backspins. With the W968 I can really hit into the ball and still get a good arc, resulting in devastating loop drives against all sorts of backspins, but with the Vis I need to brush loop much more often because the arc is too flat. It's a different story on the BH side though, as the motion is much smaller and with the Vis I can hit into it and the ball will just go, whereas with the W968 I have to brush more as if I hit into it I often just eat the spin. I think it's because I can't hit it hard it on the BH side against slower backspins to actually utilize the dwell.

Hmm that’s interesting, I can play full arm full power Chinese style top spin with Vis and H3N Blue on my FH and still land the ball with deadly power and consistency and I can loop backspin pretty easily, way easier than W968 imo. But every player is different.

 

[dingyibvs]

Hmm that’s interesting, I can play full arm full power Chinese style top spin with Vis and H3N Blue on my FH and still land the ball with deadly power and consistency and I can loop backspin pretty easily, way easier than W968 imo. But every player is different.

Could be different Vis playing differently too. I've heard quite a few different people complaining about the Vis dropping balls into the net randomly, I think it's because the timing of the brush is slightly off and it can be unforgiving like that. Maybe a flexier Vis more akin to a Golden Vis has less such issues. I've only hit briefly with a Golden Vis one of my clubmates has (same rubbers), and it felt far closer to the W968 than my Vis. We both remarked that it's really like a completely different blade. Him being a regular Golden Vis and W968 user was especially shocked by how quick my Vis was.

 

[joshmak10]

Could be different Vis playing differently too. I've heard quite a few different people complaining about the Vis dropping balls into the net randomly, I think it's because the timing of the brush is slightly off and it can be unforgiving like that. Maybe a flexier Vis more akin to a Golden Vis has less such issues. I've only hit briefly with a Golden Vis one of my clubmates has (same rubbers), and it felt far closer to the W968 than my Vis. We both remarked that it's really like a completely different blade. Him being a regular Golden Vis and W968 user was especially shocked by how quick my Vis was.

Yeah I bought my Vis this year it’s a Y series blade. It’s not that stiff to my feeling and I think it is good for FH looping if only just marginally worse than my W968.

 

[Wrighty67]

So I've been waffling between the Viscaria and the W968. The FH feels so amazing on the W968, but even with the FH it can be difficult to access at times during real matches. The BH can be an issue especially at lower level against slower incoming balls or in trying to kill opportunity balls. It's just tough to generate quality when the incoming ball doesn't have quality. OTOH, the Viscaria for the FH feels very difficult to control. If I really hit into the blade the way I like to, the ball has a rather flat trajectory and consistency suffer.

So now I'm thinking about a blade somewhere in between the two. It kind of sounds like the S968 may be the best compromise? Is the Q968 too close to the W968? Will the S968 lose too much of the W968's FH characteristics? I guess the only way to really find out is to try it out myself. I might try to see if I can get a S968 during my trip to China next month.

I have been doing similar with the Q and S vs my regular Vis (which I think is a good one and have always liked)

Bottom line is the Q is the balanced option and plays much better than W across both wings in my view. The S I had hoped would be the answer to my Vis, but although it felt faster and more direct, and so closer in this regard, I could not get used to the much head heavier balance of the blade. My Q and S are both 94g and both came in around 195g with H3 but the Q felt fairly light and balanced whereas the S always felt heavy in my hand, to the extent I gravitated away from it. I even built it up with Xiom O7 Euro on BH to reduce overall weight to 190g but it still felt unbalanced to me.

Ultimately I just kept gravitating back to my Vis and have ordered a golden and a Nat team blade (Vis with Stiga handle made for FZD) in order to try these two and see how they have evolved from my standard Vis. The BH on the Vis is just too good to be without for a player like me trying hard to develop my BH side.

I am keeping the Q because I do like it and when looking for a more FH dominant / slower / more controlled blade then this is a great option.

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

I'd recommend Yinhe Pro 05.

From what I saw people describing the Q968 they should play about the same.

Great Quality and Handle on the Pro 05.

I have same issue on the Forehand with Viscaria, I just can't get it right consistently.

Good balance between Backhand and Forehand on Pro 05.

It costs around ~50 Euro/USD.
Wont hurt to give it a try.

 

[RADA]

Interesting.... yeah during the delivery I was discussing with him about Golden Viscaria... (this blade has also been on my mind for some time), but taking into account the recent experience and that Golden Vis is a $700+ blade, I took my desires on hold... I'm dying to see how the current situation will be finished.

For what it’s worth, I recently got my Gold Vis from him, and it was great and authentic, verified through the Butterfly CN website. I usually get my DHS rubbers from him as well, and randomly, I’ll do an authentication check through DHS. It always confirms that the products are authentic.

 

[disaster3]

Me too - I have also got a golden vis on order from another source but am keen to see how a Vis made for FZD compares, as I assume it is top quality. We will see...

As promised, finally package arrived and is waiting for me at the Post Office, I'm dying to see what is inside, will keep you posted in the evening, as I can pick it up after 7:00 pm local time (at this moment is 3:35 pm )

 

[Silver Server]

As promised, finally package arrived and is waiting for me at the Post Office, I'm dying to see what is inside, will keep you posted in the evening, as I can pick it up after 7:00 pm local time (at this moment is 3:35 pm )

I believe you also have/had an Inspira Plus as well right? With a lot of reviews saying they feel similar I’m excited to hear your review and possibly a comparison.

 

[Silver smasher]

You all seem to be top players using the best possible blades and rubbers. As an average local league player using a DHS 301 would I benefit from upgrading to a long 5 / viscaria / W968? Do they make you a better player or do you need to be a better player to use them?

 

[Peter93]

You all seem to be top players using the best possible blades and rubbers. As an average local league player using a DHS 301 would I benefit from upgrading to a long 5 / viscaria / W968? Do they make you a better player or do you need to be a better player to use them?

Boy do I have news for you.

 

[Wrighty67]

As promised, finally package arrived and is waiting for me at the Post Office, I'm dying to see what is inside, will keep you posted in the evening, as I can pick it up after 7:00 pm local time (at this moment is 3:35 pm )

Very exciting - what is in the box?

 

[disaster3]

Very exciting - what is in the box?

1 more hour

I believe you also have/had an Inspira Plus as well right? With a lot of reviews saying they feel similar I’m excited to hear your review and possibly a comparison.

I'm not so good in reviewing, the general comment I can provide, whatever I take I can play, better or worse... hmm depends on the day, mood, moon....... Frankly speaking if other reviews said so... it might be odd, because Q968 is InnerStructure blade with Limba on Top, and Stiga Inspira Plus is outerStructure blade with Koto on top.... I'm not an expert but w/o playing they should differ.

You all seem to be top players using the best possible blades and rubbers. As an average local league player using a DHS 301 would I benefit from upgrading to a long 5 / viscaria / W968? Do they make you a better player or do you need to be a better player to use them?

in reality, all this is just to satisfy your vanity. Of course I'm writing for myself. Is it make me a better player? For sure no...... Do I satisfy my curiosity? Hell, yeah!!! Training, drills, matches, advices from coach this leads to be better player, for sure not equipment. Of course if you buy too fast it will rather slow down your progression, but equipment will not make you a better player.

 

[CallMeZaddy]

@Wrighty67 , what's been your experience with the golden viscaria? thinking about picking one up. what weight is yours?

 

[Wrighty67]

@Wrighty67 , what's been your experience with the golden viscaria? thinking about picking one up. what weight is yours?

Mine is 91g and so far I love it - quite different from reg Vis as it feels softer and more controlled in general play and maybe a little more power in harder shots. Handle also feels slightly more substantial. Right now it’s my main blade.