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[dingyibvs]

Decent level of play but why do you expect W968 + H3 to perform well if you only slightly brush the ball? Both these blade and rubber require strong forward motion and body strength, while you play like it's Viscaria + T05.
Plus, you also tend to put the ball with a high arc closer to the edge, which is naturally (at least for H3) the least spinnable variant of the ball.

Right, I think he's brushing a bit too much. W968 + H3 is made for very thick contact. The W968 naturally creates an arc when you're hitting the ball. That's the biggest adjustment I need to make when I switch between the W968 and the Vis. Hitting too much into the blade with the Vis will result in too flat of an arc, while brushing too much with the W968 makes too high of an arc. He's got good technique, I think with a bit more experimentation with a thicker contact using a more forward and less upward motion and he'll be able to appreciate the difference a lot more.

 

[Angerer]

It's this blade quality (the ball trajectory goes long, check out Table Tennis Gan review - he said so as well, and he is much highel level than me...) and I said that I was testing this for the first time. Prov. H3 BS did very well on this blade.

edit: will -> well

I think you're missing the point: you need a vastly different technique to play with W968 + H3N. There is a ton of other equipment that suits brushing topspins better.

There is nothing wrong with brushing the ball--in fact, it can be very effective and strong. But W968 + H3N require you to smack the ball to open the equipment's potential, otherwise you only utilize a small portion of its power.

 

[Zwill]

I am in China now for close to 3 months and I have played with all kinds of opponents. Some use Takism with long pips to attack some use Primorac Carbon with H3N 37 degree speedglued. And everything in between. Anyway points are that hobby players develop some weird style with a weird setup and they try to ride that train while the aspiring or pro's I faced use W968 or Viscaria with H3 BS or H3 OS for forehand. Almost all pro like players use H3 in some form. On BH it's D05 or T05 or H3N mostly.

Anyway I don't want to start a too big debate but against pros I feel like it's so much harder to play against H3 orange sponge. Orange sponge H3 has a higher arc but I feel like it has more spin than BS and the ball falls faster due to the spin and it makes a very weird arc. Very unnatural. H3 BS is also quite weird but H3 OS is like next level weird. And I'm not talking how good it is to play with them. H3 BS feels better to play with but H3 OS is much more difficult to play against.

So I bought a 40 deg H3N OS prov sheet from TB and I just unpacked and glued it. No boost. It's different BS for sure. It's less linear, it s very non linear. Weak hit = no speed. But if I hit strong it's faster with longer and higher arc than BS and it's not even broken in.
I now don't like the feeling of H3 OS but I can hit some pretty amazing shots with bad feeling so maybe it's okay and it seems to disturb my opponent more too.

Also this sheet is very tacky. I know people have been complaining that H3 is not tacky so much anymore. Well maybe I got lucky since my sheet is very tacky again.

Also I have been playing in many cities in China challenging pros and coaches and it's a lot of fun.
The price of H3 or H3N either OS and BS is quite cheap at clubs even compared to TB. While in Europe maybe a H3N BS provincial is 50EUR or more in China it's 210RMB which is like 25EUR.

 

[doppelmoral]

I am in China now for close to 3 months and I have played with all kinds of opponents. Some use Takism with long pips to attack some use Primorac Carbon with H3N 37 degree speedglued. And everything in between. Anyway points are that hobby players develop some weird style with a weird setup and they try to ride that train while the aspiring or pro's I faced use W968 or Viscaria with H3 BS or H3 OS for forehand. Almost all pro like players use H3 in some form. On BH it's D05 or T05 or H3N mostly.

Anyway I don't want to start a too big debate but against pros I feel like it's so much harder to play against H3 orange sponge. Orange sponge H3 has a higher arc but I feel like it has more spin than BS and the ball falls faster due to the spin and it makes a very weird arc. Very unnatural. H3 BS is also quite weird but H3 OS is like next level weird. And I'm not talking how good it is to play with them. H3 BS feels better to play with but H3 OS is much more difficult to play against.

So I bought a 40 deg H3N OS prov sheet from TB and I just unpacked and glued it. No boost. It's different BS for sure. It's less linear, it s very non linear. Weak hit = no speed. But if I hit strong it's faster with longer and higher arc than BS and it's not even broken in.
I now don't like the feeling of H3 OS but I can hit some pretty amazing shots with bad feeling so maybe it's okay and it seems to disturb my opponent more too.

Also this sheet is very tacky. I know people have been complaining that H3 is not tacky so much anymore. Well maybe I got lucky since my sheet is very tacky again.

Also I have been playing in many cities in China challenging pros and coaches and it's a lot of fun.
The price of H3 or H3N either OS and BS is quite cheap at clubs even compared to TB. While in Europe maybe a H3N BS provincial is 50EUR or more in China it's 210RMB which is like 25EUR.

Thanks for your insights @Zwill , very interesting
I just ordered a H3N OS prov. 38 degree to try out on my forehand. hope its as tacky as yours. it was only 30€ from aliexpress (spring sale)

 

[longle]

the H3 OS have a very satisfying curve so that's why I used it on my BH in last year's league (H3 Market Neo Orange H38) - blocking is lethal too, the ball dips with spins.

 

[Jslick89]

the H3 OS have a very satisfying curve so that's why I used it on my BH in last year's league (H3 Market Neo Orange H38) - blocking is lethal too, the ball dips with spins.

what degree OS for your backhand? i was twiddling last night when i was training on the robot and i was making some pretty good rips on my backhand with my black H3N OS 39 degree prov. I was thinking of buying a new butterfly FZD ALC and throwing a red H3N OS on the backhand with a little booster and putting the blue sponge on my forehand.

 

[longle]

what degree OS for your backhand? i was twiddling last night when i was training on the robot and i was making some pretty good rips on my backhand with my black H3N OS 39 degree prov. I was thinking of buying a new butterfly FZD ALC and throwing a red H3N OS on the backhand with a little booster and putting the blue sponge on my forehand.

H38, market version suit me better because it feels harder than Pro version of the same degree.

 

[rbtitco]

I am in China now for close to 3 months and I have played with all kinds of opponents. Some use Takism with long pips to attack some use Primorac Carbon with H3N 37 degree speedglued. And everything in between. Anyway points are that hobby players develop some weird style with a weird setup and they try to ride that train while the aspiring or pro's I faced use W968 or Viscaria with H3 BS or H3 OS for forehand. Almost all pro like players use H3 in some form. On BH it's D05 or T05 or H3N mostly.

Anyway I don't want to start a too big debate but against pros I feel like it's so much harder to play against H3 orange sponge. Orange sponge H3 has a higher arc but I feel like it has more spin than BS and the ball falls faster due to the spin and it makes a very weird arc. Very unnatural. H3 BS is also quite weird but H3 OS is like next level weird. And I'm not talking how good it is to play with them. H3 BS feels better to play with but H3 OS is much more difficult to play against.

So I bought a 40 deg H3N OS prov sheet from TB and I just unpacked and glued it. No boost. It's different BS for sure. It's less linear, it s very non linear. Weak hit = no speed. But if I hit strong it's faster with longer and higher arc than BS and it's not even broken in.
I now don't like the feeling of H3 OS but I can hit some pretty amazing shots with bad feeling so maybe it's okay and it seems to disturb my opponent more too.

Also this sheet is very tacky. I know people have been complaining that H3 is not tacky so much anymore. Well maybe I got lucky since my sheet is very tacky again.

Also I have been playing in many cities in China challenging pros and coaches and it's a lot of fun.
The price of H3 or H3N either OS and BS is quite cheap at clubs even compared to TB. While in Europe maybe a H3N BS provincial is 50EUR or more in China it's 210RMB which is like 25EUR.

Orange sponge doesnt get much love around these parts, for sure. If you even hear it mentioned its only to let you know its popular among females lol

 

[Jslick89]

Orange sponge doesnt get much love around these parts, for sure. If you even hear it mentioned its only to let you know its popular among females lol

I've only used the OS so far. Plays delightfully when boosted. Not gonna lie, excited to try out the blue sponge though.

 

[disaster3]

Hello DHS Lovers!!!
Quick question: Is it a good time to order DHS #15 from China? It's about the seasons and potential low temperatures that don't have a positive effect on the glue. This time I wanted to order several 98ml tubes instead of one 500ml, I know it's more expensive but in small volumes I only open one and use it up faster. In small volumes it is also more convenient to use.
It will be shipped from China to Poland (Europe) or should I wait a bit? What do you think?

 

[Conehead]

I think it's safe to order it from China now unless there are no better options in Europe.

 

[Zwill]

Thanks for your insights @Zwill , very interesting
I just ordered a H3N OS prov. 38 degree to try out on my forehand. hope its as tacky as yours. it was only 30€ from aliexpress (spring sale)

Hope you'll have luck with it.

Orange sponge doesnt get much love around these parts, for sure. If you even hear it mentioned its only to let you know its popular among females lol

Here many use the orange sponge too actually.

I guess a weird feeling about the orange sponge is that if I swing too hard or fast the ball gets slower. Like there is an optimum swing speed where the orange sponge has a kick effect. Hard to describe. Also I feel orange sponge needs even more open racket angle than BS.

Another interesting thing I noticed if I play with someone using a HL5 or similar speed blade with H3 I am super chill. Like they can't hit the ball past me from speed. Sure they can outplace me or whatever other way but can't do a 3rd ball kill. If it's a Viscaria then I am worried, it's much faster.

I'm legit scared from players with Primorac carbon and H3. Their ball quality is very high. Thankfully they suffer in other technical ways.

I think Viscaria or similar is probably the optimum blade for H3. Especially for not pro players.

 

[ttarc]

Hello DHS Lovers!!!
Quick question: Is it a good time to order DHS #15 from China? It's about the seasons and potential low temperatures that don't have a positive effect on the glue. This time I wanted to order several 98ml tubes instead of one 500ml, I know it's more expensive but in small volumes I only open one and use it up faster. In small volumes it is also more convenient to use.
It will be shipped from China to Poland (Europe) or should I wait a bit? What do you think?

From one of the Aliexpress stores like https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006458266539.html? Than it might be faster and not that much more expensive when buying from Li-Ning directly https://li-ning-europe.eu/products/dhs-ag03-no-15-aquatic-glue-98ml-dxgc005-1 or from dhs-729.eu (user @harty) https://www.dhs-729.eu/pl/13-kleje or https://chtt.se/en/tillbehor/lim (user @mocker88)

 

[longle]

got the H3 Pro with 701s sponge - first impression is great, feels denser than normal version, very linear and cripsy upon impact

 

[latej]

got the H3 Pro with 701s sponge - first impression is great, feels denser than normal version, very linear and cripsy upon impact

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Can't see the image/video... Tell us more about 701s sponge ;-) I hear for the 1st time...

 

[longle]

Can't see the image/video... Tell us more about 701s sponge ;-) I hear for the 1st time...

I added some images - my friend who have some contacts in China shops, he then ordered some used 701s sheets - supposedly exclusively for Provincal teams - around 28$

they got some nice H3 Orange sponges for BH as well

this one looks the nicest so I ordered it - Ma Long's BH rubber - 47$

 

[Grumms]

I switched brom a too fast BS H3 Nat 40° to an OS H3 Prov 40°. Way slower (and it tends to make me think that the BS Nat had a problem, it was impossible to short push with it), it allows me to do "whatever I want". It has what I loved with normal Arthur China, and has a little extra speed. It compares a lot with LAC BS, same speed, spin, control. LAC BS is cheaper, but not available anywhere anymore unfortunately.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I am in China now for close to 3 months and I have played with all kinds of opponents. Some use Takism with long pips to attack some use Primorac Carbon with H3N 37 degree speedglued. And everything in between. Anyway points are that hobby players develop some weird style with a weird setup and they try to ride that train while the aspiring or pro's I faced use W968 or Viscaria with H3 BS or H3 OS for forehand. Almost all pro like players use H3 in some form. On BH it's D05 or T05 or H3N mostly.

Anyway I don't want to start a too big debate but against pros I feel like it's so much harder to play against H3 orange sponge. Orange sponge H3 has a higher arc but I feel like it has more spin than BS and the ball falls faster due to the spin and it makes a very weird arc. Very unnatural. H3 BS is also quite weird but H3 OS is like next level weird. And I'm not talking how good it is to play with them. H3 BS feels better to play with but H3 OS is much more difficult to play against.

So I bought a 40 deg H3N OS prov sheet from TB and I just unpacked and glued it. No boost. It's different BS for sure. It's less linear, it s very non linear. Weak hit = no speed. But if I hit strong it's faster with longer and higher arc than BS and it's not even broken in.
I now don't like the feeling of H3 OS but I can hit some pretty amazing shots with bad feeling so maybe it's okay and it seems to disturb my opponent more too.

Also this sheet is very tacky. I know people have been complaining that H3 is not tacky so much anymore. Well maybe I got lucky since my sheet is very tacky again.

Also I have been playing in many cities in China challenging pros and coaches and it's a lot of fun.
The price of H3 or H3N either OS and BS is quite cheap at clubs even compared to TB. While in Europe maybe a H3N BS provincial is 50EUR or more in China it's 210RMB which is like 25EUR.

when you landing in Taipei?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

710S are normally the rubber you get in the provincial team. It has slightly better performance and might be harder. Quality control is still not good, though.

The normaly H3N provincial is made for the public. 710S series are for professional teams.
Beats me why DHS has so many versions.

yep

 

[Migzkulit]

yep

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But normally it costs a little too much compared to provincial. So going all the way up to National may be more cost effective. Which is what I do now.
Actually its either provincial or all the way to star national.