DHS fans unite!

[longle]

Holla, very satisfied with the H3 701s 41 on FH and H3 38 Ma Long on BH - they are very light, powerful and feels denser than version of the same hardness

 

[JackJohnson]

Holla, very satisfied with the H3 701s 41 on FH and H3 38 Ma Long on BH - they are very light, powerful and feels denser than version of the same hardness

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Where do you buy H3 701s version of these rubbers?

 

[longle]

Where do you buy H3 701s version of these rubbers?

My friend bought them from Taobao shops in China, they all are used cut rubbers (no packaging) - I guess they got it from provincial players

 

[doppelmoral]

I am in China now for close to 3 months and I have played with all kinds of opponents. Some use Takism with long pips to attack some use Primorac Carbon with H3N 37 degree speedglued. And everything in between. Anyway points are that hobby players develop some weird style with a weird setup and they try to ride that train while the aspiring or pro's I faced use W968 or Viscaria with H3 BS or H3 OS for forehand. Almost all pro like players use H3 in some form. On BH it's D05 or T05 or H3N mostly.

Anyway I don't want to start a too big debate but against pros I feel like it's so much harder to play against H3 orange sponge. Orange sponge H3 has a higher arc but I feel like it has more spin than BS and the ball falls faster due to the spin and it makes a very weird arc. Very unnatural. H3 BS is also quite weird but H3 OS is like next level weird. And I'm not talking how good it is to play with them. H3 BS feels better to play with but H3 OS is much more difficult to play against.

So I bought a 40 deg H3N OS prov sheet from TB and I just unpacked and glued it. No boost. It's different BS for sure. It's less linear, it s very non linear. Weak hit = no speed. But if I hit strong it's faster with longer and higher arc than BS and it's not even broken in.
I now don't like the feeling of H3 OS but I can hit some pretty amazing shots with bad feeling so maybe it's okay and it seems to disturb my opponent more too.

Also this sheet is very tacky. I know people have been complaining that H3 is not tacky so much anymore. Well maybe I got lucky since my sheet is very tacky again.

Also I have been playing in many cities in China challenging pros and coaches and it's a lot of fun.
The price of H3 or H3N either OS and BS is quite cheap at clubs even compared to TB. While in Europe maybe a H3N BS provincial is 50EUR or more in China it's 210RMB which is like 25EUR.

Have you noticed any differences between provincial and national for both OS and BS while you were there?

Cheers

 

[Zwill]

Have you noticed any differences between provincial and national for both OS and BS while you were there?

Cheers

That's such a hard question actually. Objectively: weight. National versions tend to be lighter. Few years ago I played with H3N national on both sides. While the national H3N 37 deg felt faster than any other H3N 37 OS I tried ever since the 40deg BS national felt pretty much the same as any other H3 BS prov. Is OS national better or I was just lucky? Dunno.
I did have a H3 BS prov that started to slip the ball quite bad but that might have been to being old and 38 degrees in Guangzhou over 9000% humidity could have made it shit out its last breaths. I haven't tried any of the "Star" versions or the player name versions.

It's also hard to get a good read of others rackets. One has silver Viscaria, other Fan Zhendong ALC, the next Lin Gaoyuan and so on. How heavy are those I wonder. When did they boost? How did they boost? I might like one combination over the other and it might incidentally be national H3 BS. Which would be the worst case since now in my mind the national BS is soooo much better.
My last H3 BS prov for example had a small imperfection on the topsheet, like it was poked with a needle or something. I could see a small "hole" on the topsheet but it was in a non playing area. Maybe that was the reason it got to be prov and not national. I gave my racket to some former provincial players who coached me and they said it's very good.

I think BS prov is already very good. From OS I would maybe venture in the national territory and usually OS national is in the same price range as BS prov and that few grams also might make a difference for someone especially if you have a heavy wood. (90+ grams)

So hard question and I can't even answer it in a thousand words in all honesty.

 

[Jslick89]

Thinking of dropping Butterfly DIGNICS 09C on my backhand for a boosted h3n 38 degree. anyone here done something similar?

 

[StreamOfWater]

Thinking of dropping Butterfly DIGNICS 09C on my backhand for a boosted h3n 38 degree. anyone here done something similar?

Yeah, and it's not a good idea, I'd dare to say a bad one, there's literally no reason to do that... Hurricane 3 requires good technique and mechanics, putting it on backhand will be unforgiving and don't give you a lot of spin unless you'll brush hard with concentrated force. There's a reason why barely anyone from CNT uses Hurricane 3 on their backhand... And even if they do, they use "37 degree", probably boost it super hard as well, or it's personally tuned/heavily modified for them by factory. Not worth it at all - use your Dignics 09c and be happy

 

[longle]

Thinking of dropping Butterfly DIGNICS 09C on my backhand for a boosted h3n 38 degree. anyone here done something similar?

I did the opposite, I used H3 Neo market 38 for a year then switched to D09c, but still comfortable switching back. Because the H3 on BH is 4gr lighter, slower, more controlled close to table. If you are FH oriented then putting H3 on BH is a good idea. if you are BH oriented, then D09c is better

 

[nablaz]

There's a reason why barely anyone from CNT uses Hurricane 3 on their backhand...

Just to add a bit of context to this quote, "barely anyone" includes Ma Long, Wang Chuqin, Liang Jingkun, Xiang Peng, etc... and this is only on the men's side!

 

[StreamOfWater]

Just to add a bit of context to this quote, "barely anyone" includes Ma Long, Wang Chuqin, Liang Jingkun, Xiang Peng, etc... and this is only on the men's side!

Yeah, only few and they switched not too long ago also, they used to play EU/Japanese rubbers. Well, point is, I am sure that probably no one here has as good enough technique to make most of that rubber on backhand. Not worth it. I am gonna be switching to Dignics 09c on backhand also because no matter how much I improve my backhand technique, it's incredibly unforgiving and I cannot generate the amount of spin that I want with Hurricane 3

 

[Jslick89]

I did the opposite, I used H3 Neo market 38 for a year then switched to D09c, but still comfortable switching back. Because the H3 on BH is 4gr lighter, slower, more controlled close to table. If you are FH oriented then putting H3 on BH is a good idea. if you are BH oriented, then D09c is better

I am definitely FH oriented. in a practice session i twiddled and was trying the prov OS h3n on my backhand and i was making some pretty good rips, but that was 40 degrees. I know my 40 degree and 41 degree both play differently, although with booster i can get them pretty close. Do they only make the 38 degree in prov? not 37 degree in prov red? i cant seem to find on aliexpress. if you have a good link for me, please share.

 

[Jslick89]

Yeah, and it's not a good idea, I'd dare to say a bad one, there's literally no reason to do that... Hurricane 3 requires good technique and mechanics, putting it on backhand will be unforgiving and don't give you a lot of spin unless you'll brush hard with concentrated force. There's a reason why barely anyone from CNT uses Hurricane 3 on their backhand... And even if they do, they use "37 degree", probably boost it super hard as well, or it's personally tuned/heavily modified for them by factory. Not worth it at all - use your Dignics 09c and be happy

funny, lots of people say not to use D09c on backhand since you wont get the most out of it. they also said not to use viscaria when i was only playing table tennis for a year but it ended up working out pretty well for me. i really like DHS rubber because they last a long time and are fun to play with. D09C is fun to play with too but its pretty expensive. if i can get a similar performance out of a boosted h3n, its worth it for me.

 

[longle]

I am definitely FH oriented. in a practice session i twiddled and was trying the prov OS h3n on my backhand and i was making some pretty good rips, but that was 40 degrees. I know my 40 degree and 41 degree both play differently, although with booster i can get them pretty close. Do they only make the 38 degree in prov? not 37 degree in prov red? i cant seem to find on aliexpress. if you have a good link for me, please share.

I bought H3 prov neo H38 once but now I can't find a good source for it, maybe that rubber is not popular, but in fact I feel that the H38 market version plays much better than the prov version, because although slower, it's tackier, denser sponge, better blocking

 

[Jslick89]

I bought H3 prov neo H38 once but now I can't find a good source for it, maybe that rubber is not popular, but in fact I feel that the H38 market version plays much better than the prov version, because although slower, it's tackier, denser sponge, better blocking

its easy to find the H3 Prov neo H38 on aliexpress. i cant find 37 degrees though.

 

[disaster3]

Just to add a bit of context to this quote, "barely anyone" includes Ma Long, Wang Chuqin, Liang Jingkun, Xiang Peng, etc... and this is only on the men's side!

And they use W/Q/S968 type of blades, those who use Viscaria type of blades mostly use D05/09C rubbers. I don’t know if we should find here any coincidence or it means something or nothing🤷‍♂️
I have 2 Viscaria’s with the same rubber on the FH but different on BH. On my primary I have D05 and on the spare one is H3 Neo 37* OS. Both are good but slightly I prefer D05. I have really strong BH and those from the club I’m playing with, prefer giving me the balls on the FH than on BH.
I’m not convinced to D09C and stayed with D05 to which I don’t have any objections.

 

[longle]

its easy to find the H3 Prov neo H38 on aliexpress. i cant find 37 degrees though.

I still prefer H38 over H37, but I just got this H3 37 710s, supposed to be as hard as H38, gonna try it next week

 

[Jslick89]

I still prefer H38 over H37, but I just got this H3 37 710s, supposed to be as hard as H38, gonna try it next week
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let us know how it is! I think i'm gonna try the h 38 neo. worse comes to worse, i'm just out $35. best case scenario, i save hundreds of dollars over the years by switching away from D09C lol

 

[Egon]

And they use W/Q/S968 type of blades, those who use Viscaria type of blades mostly use D05/09C rubbers. I don’t know if we should find here any coincidence or it means something or nothing🤷‍♂️
I have 2 Viscaria’s with the same rubber on the FH but different on BH. On my primary I have D05 and on the spare one is H3 Neo 37* OS. Both are good but slightly I prefer D05. I have really strong BH and those from the club I’m playing with, prefer giving me the balls on the FH than on BH.
I’m not convinced to D09C and stayed with D05 to which I don’t have any objections.

Viscaria has a fairly hard koto on the surface and also a hard ALC right under it, so there is no whip (I don't know if I'm translating this word correctly or not). With this combination, softer and faster rubbers work better for the backhand.
Long 5 and 968 family have a softer limba on the surface, and the ALC is located under a soft ayous located transversely, which gives the blade whip. Here, due to the greater dwell time and whip on the blade, you can get very strong spin and decent speed on the backhand from sticky and slower rubber.

 

[Conehead]

i cant find 37 degrees though.

TT11 - Links:
- Provincial: https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/dhs-hurricane-3-neo-provincial-37
- Commercial: https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/dhs-hurricane-3-neo-soft (out of stock at the moment)

 

[disaster3]

Viscaria has a fairly hard koto on the surface and also a hard ALC right under it, so there is no whip (I don't know if I'm translating this word correctly or not). With this combination, softer and faster rubbers work better for the backhand.
Long 5 and 968 family have a softer limba on the surface, and the ALC is located under a soft ayous located transversely, which gives the blade whip. Here, due to the greater dwell time and whip on the blade, you can get very strong spin and decent speed on the backhand from sticky and slower rubber.

what is really challenging for amateurs because BH stroke is compact (required great technique, and we should always be in position and in time and in front of the ball) comparing to FH one and you need to generate a lot of power with bigger, slower, head/blade.
I would love to see all those amateurs who make fast transition BH<>FH with 968 family blades and sticky BH rubbers and they are consistent with their shots on both wings
Of course, everyone can use and play whatever they want. No one can forbid it, but sometimes it's worth considering whether we're not creating problems for ourselves.