DHS fans unite!

[我❤️打乒乓球]

I absolutely love playing Hurricane 3 or Skyline 3 forehand and I loooove Q968

 

[mihalichtheone]

Did you try Rxton 9? Last time I got it for cca 28E (with shipment), I just checked the order, now it's cca 22E.

hey it's not "LOKI fans unite", it's "DHS fans unite"!!

no, I haven't tried any LOKI rubbers yet

 

[mihalichtheone]

So, I've been using National H3N BS 41° for the past 1.5 years on my FH. It has completely cured my EJ when it comes to FH rubbers. Problem is, the vendors in my country sell the BS versions for absurdly high prices, almost twice as much as the OS version ($70 for Prov, which I find utterly ridiculous). That's why I recently got a Provincial OS sheet in 40° and boosted it with 2 layers of Seamoon to see if it can work as a viable replacement on my TMXi Pro.

To my immense disappointment, I don't think it quite does it for me. For one, this sheet is barely tacky, and can't really lift the ball in the air. My beat-up National H3N BS sheet with 9 months of use has much more tack, and so does my red Provincial sheet of 38° H3N OS after 6 months. The orange sponge itself seems to have less dwell as well. My game relies heavily on pivoting frequently and loop-killing backspin balls no matter how low and spinny they might be. And this is precisely what the blue sponge H3 excels at, significantly more so than this sheet. This is the first time in a long while that I seem to struggle with hitting through backspin, and I'm nowhere as comfortable as I usually am against choppers. I can still get the same kind of low-trajectory loop-kills once in a while, but not as reliably as I could with blue sponge. Sometimes it's so unexpected that I don't even understand what exactly I did wrong that made the ball go long.

It also feels somewhat worse than the blue sponge version for flat hits, but that I can manage. For most shots, it essentially feels like playing with the same rubber that I'm used to. The reduction in my ability to aggressively attack against heavy backspin and balls inside the table, however, I find a total deal-breaker. The caveat is that it has only been 2 sessions, so it might get slightly better as it breaks in and I get more used to it. I'm not counting on it though.

yep, exactly the same experience for me

 

[ttarc]

Well, yes, of course. That's the standard international price, even on TableTennis11 after the 30% volume discount. I would be able to get the Prov. BS for ~$35 on AliExpress, except that I happen to be from a country with an economy hobbled by US Treasury third-party sanctions. That effectively means no access to international banking or shipping, so my options are extremely limited.

Aren't there any Li-Ning stores in your country? Li-Ning (once) partially owned DHS 1) and started selling DHS rubbers and blades not so long ago in Europe. Maybe they can get rubbers and blades in your country too.

1) https://doc.irasia.com/listco/hk/lining/press/p071115.pdf

 

[BlueInGreen]

Aren't there any Li-Ning stores in your country? Li-Ning (once) partially owned DHS 1) and started selling DHS rubbers and blades not so long ago in Europe. Maybe they can get rubbers and blades in your country too.

1) https://doc.irasia.com/listco/hk/lining/press/p071115.pdf

Not any official ones that I know of. There might be a few that sell Li-Ning apparel, but it's highly unlikely that they'd risk going for the niche table tennis market here. Barely anybody plays with DHS rubbers in our table tennis scene anyway, or Chinese tacky rubbers for that matter, except for beginners who might use cheap stuff from Yinhe/Sanwei/etc. Intermediate players and above almost exclusively use Butterfly and ESN. As there are just a few merchants who might — from time to time — import DHS equipment, they can jack up prices unreasonably as much as they want.

It also doesn't help that nobody sells boosters here as well, so most of those who might be tempted into trying DHS rubbers will probably not enjoy the un-boosted experience too much. I personally had to ask a family member returning from overseas to bring a bottle of Seamoon with them, it was otherwise impossible to find any.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Aren't there any Li-Ning stores in your country? Li-Ning (once) partially owned DHS 1) and started selling DHS rubbers and blades not so long ago in Europe. Maybe they can get rubbers and blades in your country too.

1) https://doc.irasia.com/listco/hk/lining/press/p071115.pdf

its not "once", they are still majority shareholder.
I have seen Li-Ning retail stores, but focus on badminton and other sports.

DHS table tennis business from what I see is run separately, and they are actually extremely strict (and difficult to do business with). So, it won't be strange not able to find official DHS agents or sellers in various countries.

maybe the Li-Ning stores in Europe is different, since Europe is a big tt market.

 

[Lando]

I've used hurricane 3 neo and national, but I'm too fat to use them properly lol.
Would a 37 degree one be better?
Penholder with no rpb, so my FH rubber is the same as BH.

 

[doppelmoral]

sometimes in practise I twiddle my racket and drill backhands with my h3n blue sponge 39. I really like the feeling of the blue sponge on backhand, its boosted so it feels softer and grabs the ball so well.

obviously, blue sponge is only made in black, so a red version is not available. the obvious answer is to use a h3n 37 , but the orange sponge feels too hard on my ajh tmxi pro. I dont really like the feedback.

anything else I could use on the backhand to try out, similar to the blue sponge? doesnt necessarily have to be made by dhs.

 

[Conehead]

anything else I could use on the backhand to try out, similar to the blue sponge?

Joola Dynaryz ZGR

 

[BlueInGreen]

sometimes in practise I twiddle my racket and drill backhands with my h3n blue sponge 39. I really like the feeling of the blue sponge on backhand, its boosted so it feels softer and grabs the ball so well.

obviously, blue sponge is only made in black, so a red version is not available. the obvious answer is to use a h3n 37 , but the orange sponge feels too hard on my ajh tmxi pro. I dont really like the feedback.

anything else I could use on the backhand to try out, similar to the blue sponge? doesnt necessarily have to be made by dhs.

I've always had the same impression of H3N BS on BH, and would've loved to play with it on both sides if a red version existed. I have a fair amount of experience with H3N 37/38 on BH as well, and just as you said, for some reason they just don't have the nice elastic and dwelly feel on BH that the Blue Sponge does, which for me shines particularly on BH flicks/loops against heavy backspin. Sometimes when I struggled too much to attack an opponent's backspin serves on BH I would just twiddle, and voilà, my topspins would suddenly have a much nicer arc and land quite comfortably on opponent's side, with more spin than usual too. I guess my taste in rubbers might not be as weird as I've always imagined it to be.

I haven't tried it on my own blade yet (though I just glued a fresh sheet on my TMXi Pro for the first time!), but have you ever used D09C on BH? It seems like a logical alternative to H3N BS on BH given their general similarities, with some extra catapult which is probably a plus for BH.

 

[ttarc]

sometimes in practise I twiddle my racket and drill backhands with my h3n blue sponge 39.

I do that too and sometimes in doubles...

I really like the feeling of the blue sponge on backhand, its boosted so it feels softer and grabs the ball so well.
obviously, blue sponge is only made in black, so a red version is not available. the obvious answer is to use a h3n 37 , but the orange sponge feels too hard on my ajh tmxi pro. I dont really like the feedback.

anything else I could use on the backhand to try out, similar to the blue sponge? doesnt necessarily have to be made by dhs.

We could swap rubbers My H3N 37 with two layers Seamoon 2 sounds great but became too soft. The previous 38 OS was better.
Currently I'm using Battle 3 38 with two layers initially and one additional layer after around two weeks (swapped from a test blade to main blade) but its topsheet and overall feel is harder than a H3N with the same nominal hardness. The other option that I tested was Glayzer 09C (unboosted sponge hardness feels similar to 39 OS) which reacts quite well to booster...
Maybe 729 Battle 2 Provincial Soft (37) could work too.

 

[Saiph]

My first time trying out National BS and boy I've never had a rubber this tacky! Provincial BS I used a year ago and some other chinese rubbers I've used (Rxton 9, Arthur China, Battle II Nat, Battle III) didn't even come close to this.

It was also such a bliss to hear that counterlooping sound with this rubber. Really stress relieving! I feel like it's more pronounced compared to R9's I just used before this.

 

[Zwill]

I got myself a Q968 national, right in the spec range of WCQ No1 Q968, so 6.10mm 90g range, in fact mine is 6.08mm and 91g.

After gluing Pinyi Cuifeng 39-40d rubber on FH and Yinhe Apollo 3 on BH I feel the FH is very bouncy. Much bouncer than Ice Cream AZX. This shouldn't be the case since AZX is much stiffer and harder and faster. So bit confused. (I tried both rackets bounce test with plastic cover on rubber so stickiness didn't influence)

Apollo 3 is a wildcard BH buy. Some Chinese use it on BH instead of H3, and it's quite annoying to play against. Maybe I will keep maybe I will try Zyre03.

I feel Z03 should be quite good on inner blade.

My problem is that sometimes Xiom AZX is perfect sometimes it's just not spinning at all.
I realize this ain't the blades fault, it's the ball and venue, but like I don't wanna change rackets based on ball and hall size.

Also I feel with W968 or similar I can play more forward I don't need to worry about the arc, the blade and rubber will create it naturally. With hard blades I need to create the arc and it's reducing the forward speed of my arm.

Zyre on BH might be natural, if apollo won't work then I bet the Zyre. I quite like Bryce, V15, T64, D64 so Zyre should be up my alley.

Actually Bryce High-speed might be something fun too, feel like that's a bit overly forgotten.

But like I say, with DHS D40, Bty R40, Yinhe Red, some fake DHS DJ40 I can't make spin with outer blade. If I use Joola Flash, or DJ40 WTT or yinhe blue balls I am fine.

Inner blade I hope can fix this. Also I like W968 prov so Q968 national should be faster and easier to play especially on BH which as lefty I rely on just like WCQ.

 

[vossi39]

Well the Xiom is much thinner, but has Koto top ply. The Q968 is thicker but has limba top ply. So I would expect exactly what you describe. Bouncier due to the limba and quicker because it’s thicker.

 

[Zwill]

Well the Xiom is much thinner, but has Koto top ply. The Q968 is thicker but has limba top ply. So I would expect exactly what you describe. Bouncier due to the limba and quicker because it’s thicker.

Hmmm, I don't think this is a good way to compare. AZX is outer carbon with koto, sure it's thinner but much harder and stiffer so it should be faster.

I have W968 prov and I had some expectation but maybe I was a bit surprised.

Q968 is very easy to hit trough, and once you do it makes very high quality ball. But if you don't hit trough it it is very slow and I put balls in the net a lot. So need to hit through and it's not hard to do but must do always.

Handle is comfy, balance is comfy, all comfy using it.

First it felt too soft and had no bottom strength compared to AZX, but then I just started expreimenting with angles and once I open my angles it turns on. It has huge amplification effect, what do I mean, I hit the ball lightly trough the core and all and the ball is spat out with great trajectory and speed. I can't achieve this with AZX even tho it's faster. And with Q968 it's pretty much effortless. I still need to rewire my brain to open my angles more.
Regarding more on amplification, I hit weak there is nothing happening, ball goes to bottom of net. I start to add more forward motion the blade starts to crack and sing, and then amplification happens, ball goes far, unexpectedly fast, with very low trajectory over the net, but quite safe. You can literally try to hit the small strands of fabric on the top of the net it's so flat and long trajectory. My partner says it's very powerful and difficult to handle. And I am just using my arms and body just with light inertia, not really any force.
Blade is pretty good for open up spin, but with AZX I had a really huge issue. If I got long fast serves I overshot a lot, it just spat the ball out too uncontrollably, and it felt like cancer. It felt like no matter what I do I can't fix this. Now the same servers I can just put away with light power and it won't come back. My opponent can't even touch it, and I can choose sides too.

BH with Apollo 3. Damn damn damn damn, I'm so torn. I am torn as Obito during juubi phase (naruto ref) or more.
Apollo 3 is quite good rubber. I would advise it over H3n 37 over any day. It has great stick and grip and the topsheet is really nice. Sponge good too, so if someone is used to Chines tacky rubbers Apollo 3 is amazing.
I'm coming from Glayzer which is different but in a way surprisingly (faintly) similar to Chinese tacky rubbers. If I hit through Apollo 3 and the blade it's quite amazing. From back court against lot of speed and spin in the ball the apollo is amazing, but I struggle a bit against empty weak balls.
But on the other hand with Q968 and apollo 3 I can banana flick everything. Sure I miss some but I can just do it anyway. It was so bad that my partner started to serve and receive on my FH side, which is for sure my stronger side because he couldn't handle my BH banana flick.
And I was doing some LJY or WCQ level BH flicks against spin to other directions. My partner says that my BH with this setup is much faster and piercing than with AZX Glayzer... More speed and spin... And what he can't tell me since limited English is that there's more quirkyness.

Q968 is very easy to hit through, I think this is an user friendly feature, and I really like it over W968, I want my blade to perform as much as possible at 100% and I don't need any extra spin or control at the expense of more difficult use.
Why? I have a split milisecond to decide on stuff sometimes, I want the most user friendliness as possible. I don't have the hand or wrist or touch of Koki Niwa, I'm a power player, I'm like the typical left handed power player and you can imagine Chen Qi or WCQ or whatever...

And actually on first try this is not a bad impression at all for the whole setup. I would say my expectations were very high and I would say those expectations were not met at all, they were replaced with other expectations. In a way I'm not sure Zyre03 is an upgrade on BH, in a way I'm not sure H3NBS unboosted is inferrior to Pinyi unboosted or not.

Q968 has a huge level of amplification that I think can overcome slow rubbers pretty well.
Shit my brain is rewiring as I am writing all of this. I really am not sure if zyre03 can offer much.

 

[JackJohnson]

Hmmm, I don't think this is a good way to compare. AZX is outer carbon with koto, sure it's thinner but much harder and stiffer so it should be faster.

I have W968 prov and I had some expectation but maybe I was a bit surprised.

Q968 is very easy to hit trough, and once you do it makes very high quality ball. But if you don't hit trough it it is very slow and I put balls in the net a lot. So need to hit through and it's not hard to do but must do always.

Handle is comfy, balance is comfy, all comfy using it.

First it felt too soft and had no bottom strength compared to AZX, but then I just started expreimenting with angles and once I open my angles it turns on. It has huge amplification effect, what do I mean, I hit the ball lightly trough the core and all and the ball is spat out with great trajectory and speed. I can't achieve this with AZX even tho it's faster. And with Q968 it's pretty much effortless. I still need to rewire my brain to open my angles more.
Regarding more on amplification, I hit weak there is nothing happening, ball goes to bottom of net. I start to add more forward motion the blade starts to crack and sing, and then amplification happens, ball goes far, unexpectedly fast, with very low trajectory over the net, but quite safe. You can literally try to hit the small strands of fabric on the top of the net it's so flat and long trajectory. My partner says it's very powerful and difficult to handle. And I am just using my arms and body just with light inertia, not really any force.
Blade is pretty good for open up spin, but with AZX I had a really huge issue. If I got long fast serves I overshot a lot, it just spat the ball out too uncontrollably, and it felt like cancer. It felt like no matter what I do I can't fix this. Now the same servers I can just put away with light power and it won't come back. My opponent can't even touch it, and I can choose sides too.

BH with Apollo 3. Damn damn damn damn, I'm so torn. I am torn as Obito during juubi phase (naruto ref) or more.
Apollo 3 is quite good rubber. I would advise it over H3n 37 over any day. It has great stick and grip and the topsheet is really nice. Sponge good too, so if someone is used to Chines tacky rubbers Apollo 3 is amazing.
I'm coming from Glayzer which is different but in a way surprisingly (faintly) similar to Chinese tacky rubbers. If I hit through Apollo 3 and the blade it's quite amazing. From back court against lot of speed and spin in the ball the apollo is amazing, but I struggle a bit against empty weak balls.
But on the other hand with Q968 and apollo 3 I can banana flick everything. Sure I miss some but I can just do it anyway. It was so bad that my partner started to serve and receive on my FH side, which is for sure my stronger side because he couldn't handle my BH banana flick.
And I was doing some LJY or WCQ level BH flicks against spin to other directions. My partner says that my BH with this setup is much faster and piercing than with AZX Glayzer... More speed and spin... And what he can't tell me since limited English is that there's more quirkyness.

Q968 is very easy to hit through, I think this is an user friendly feature, and I really like it over W968, I want my blade to perform as much as possible at 100% and I don't need any extra spin or control at the expense of more difficult use.
Why? I have a split milisecond to decide on stuff sometimes, I want the most user friendliness as possible. I don't have the hand or wrist or touch of Koki Niwa, I'm a power player, I'm like the typical left handed power player and you can imagine Chen Qi or WCQ or whatever...

And actually on first try this is not a bad impression at all for the whole setup. I would say my expectations were very high and I would say those expectations were not met at all, they were replaced with other expectations. In a way I'm not sure Zyre03 is an upgrade on BH, in a way I'm not sure H3NBS unboosted is inferrior to Pinyi unboosted or not.

Q968 has a huge level of amplification that I think can overcome slow rubbers pretty well.
Shit my brain is rewiring as I am writing all of this. I really am not sure if zyre03 can offer much.

How much did you pay for Q968 and from which Taobao store?

 

[我❤️打乒乓球]

I got myself a Q968 national, right in the spec range of WCQ No1 Q968, so 6.10mm 90g range, in fact mine is 6.08mm and 91g.

After gluing Pinyi Cuifeng 39-40d rubber on FH and Yinhe Apollo 3 on BH I feel the FH is very bouncy. Much bouncer than Ice Cream AZX. This shouldn't be the case since AZX is much stiffer and harder and faster. So bit confused. (I tried both rackets bounce test with plastic cover on rubber so stickiness didn't influence)

Apollo 3 is a wildcard BH buy. Some Chinese use it on BH instead of H3, and it's quite annoying to play against. Maybe I will keep maybe I will try Zyre03.

I feel Z03 should be quite good on inner blade.

My problem is that sometimes Xiom AZX is perfect sometimes it's just not spinning at all.
I realize this ain't the blades fault, it's the ball and venue, but like I don't wanna change rackets based on ball and hall size.

Also I feel with W968 or similar I can play more forward I don't need to worry about the arc, the blade and rubber will create it naturally. With hard blades I need to create the arc and it's reducing the forward speed of my arm.

Zyre on BH might be natural, if apollo won't work then I bet the Zyre. I quite like Bryce, V15, T64, D64 so Zyre should be up my alley.

Actually Bryce High-speed might be something fun too, feel like that's a bit overly forgotten.

But like I say, with DHS D40, Bty R40, Yinhe Red, some fake DHS DJ40 I can't make spin with outer blade. If I use Joola Flash, or DJ40 WTT or yinhe blue balls I am fine.

Inner blade I hope can fix this. Also I like W968 prov so Q968 national should be faster and easier to play especially on BH which as lefty I rely on just like WCQ.

Cool but you are not from North Korea lmao

 

[Zwill]

Cool but you are not from North Korea lmao

I identify as one 🌚

 

[Zwill]

How much did you pay for Q968 and from which Taobao store?

About 2k rmb.
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[senthilprakash]

You need to pair G666 on FH of a very fast blades and you get insane spin and control monster setup.

But do not make the mistake of pairing this rubber with an all-round or defensive blades.

For me G666 on my xiom icream azxi pro on ALC side (inner carbon) and on my Butterfly FZD ALc (outter carbon) and on my Andro Trieber CO off/s (outter carbon), it gives insane control and spin.

Next i will try pairing this with Tibhar Alexis Krypto Outer carbon to test.

But same rubber on my kokinaiwa wood and stiga offensive classic wrb, still gives good spin But way to slow for FH.

For BH - I normally use SpinFire or Spectol S1 - both short pips.

Also note: I felt G666 black max sponge is more tackier and spinnier than the red. Test yourself.