DHS Hurricane 3 neo / unboosted

[DBsystem78]

Hello Everyone,

I know that this rubber is supposed to be boosted but I'm asking myself questions about DHS Hurricane 3 neo without the need to boost for Forehand which one would you think would be the best one beetween those (I think 39 would be the best degrees but could it be 38 ? ) if not boosted should it be 2.2mm or 2.15/2.1 mm ?

Commercial 39 OS
Provincial 39 OS
Provincial 39 BS
National 39 BS
National 39 OS

Sorry if it was discussed previously already

Have a nice day

 

[andymagata]

Me too, want to know! Coming from Loki Rxton 3 Green, unboosted.

 

[DBsystem78]

I think the Orange sponge is better without boost from what I've read and maybe the 2,2 mm would give that extra speed but wanted to know if someone already study the case and tried the differents rubber

 

[victormanriquey]

I will publish a pretty long H3N for amateurs guide this weekend, where I hope to answer all these questions in depth but explained in a simple way

But, while I'm still finishing that up, here is my tl;dr:

- H3N is always supposed to be boosted so you can fine tune it to your own liking, it's left 'purposely unfinished' from the factory, so without booster it is not possible to achieve its peak performance.
- The QA on commercial sheets nowadays is terrible and most are zero tacky, just get the provincial and avoid the gamble
- If you want to play it still unboosted, and are okey with the fact that is not gonna play like it should, then do not do harder than 39 and do not do blue sponge.
- 2.1 or max are both fine, difference in my opinion is not that much.

Usually, 38 and 37 are for backhand, but sure, you can try 38 for forehand unboosted too if 39 feels too hard

 

[thisisit]

h3n unboosted is like a peanut butter jelly sandwich without peanut butter.

 

[Lazer]

They all need a boost, trust me...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Lazer]

h3n unboosted is like a peanut butter jelly sandwich without peanut butter.

Peanut butter and jelly... Yuuuuk.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[belllfador]

H3N 38 degree orange sponge provincial 2.15mm. Is playable without boost, but just 2 layers falco platinum and will be 49 degrees shore o - softer and lively.

 

[Souther]

I play unboosted and it's plenty fast. It's like someone choosing zyre 2.5 vs 2.7 sponge. If you want the full zyre effect you'd get 2.7, but that is not necessary.

If you play unboosted, pick the blue sponge. This is staight from DHS:

Blue Sponge
The blue sponge offers enhanced elasticity and deeper ball contact. Its optimized design reduces dependence on boosting, allowing the rubber to perform well without boosting, though performance becomes better after boosting.

 

[boretennis]

If you play unboosted, pick the blue sponge. This is staight from DHS:

Blue Sponge
The blue sponge offers enhanced elasticity and deeper ball contact. Its optimized design reduces dependence on boosting, allowing the rubber to perform well without boosting, though performance becomes better after boosting.

can you provide the original source / a link to this quote?

 

[canonFH]

I have played with all H3 hardness-es and here's my feeling regarding these:

- H3 37 OS

On forehand is usable, but you will lack support from the sponge when hitting good shots. Cannot really be used away from the table. Slow, and really mid rubber for FH with mushy feeling.

Can be used if you're still learning stroke fundamentals, but you'll be served better with a rubber that has some tension and better feeling.

On BH, my main issue is the mushy feeling. After adding one layer of booster, it becomes much better for BH. Still does not have enough support for it to be used on FH.

- H3 38 OS

Better than 37 on FH. Can be used as a training rubber, even unboosted. Not great for competitive play, shots are a bit nerfed compared to 39. With one layer of booster, a bit too dead on BH. With 2 layers of boosters, becomes a great rubber on BH. Feeling is a bit mushy without booster.

- H3 39 OS

Great for FH but should not be played without booster. Can't be used on BH. Balls become much more dangerous and you'll have great feeling with 2 layers of boosters. Best rubber for someone who's still far from pro level but looks the part. Means, good technique both in upper and lower body and able to get into counterspin rallies. For unorthodox/lazy technique or for the ones relying too much on feeling, other rubbers will win more points.

- H3 40 OS

Similar to 39, just needs more layers of booster.

- H3 39/40 BS

Putting them in the same category because to use BS, it really needs to be juiced to the gills. Anything less than 3 layers of booster will result in a slow, mushy feeling and dead rubber with no middle gears. Hardness at this point just depends on how hard you can accelerate and how much punishment your body can endure. Won't recommend BS over OS untill you train more than 20 hours a week and your body still feels fine and you want to push your limits.

- Commercial vs Prov vs Nat

Minor differences if you get a good batch. If you get a bad batch commercial, it likely won't survive the booster, or will bubble within a month. I personally don't care about tackyness that much, and I've not seen major variations in tackyness levels either. Bad batch commercials really spoil the mood, so if boosting, go with prov/national.

National lasts a lot longer than provincial, so you get about the same value for both. Its seldom in stock though from the shop I buy, so I usually stick with provincial.

There is a slight difference in the topsheet of each, according to my feeling, but you don't notice it in play. Sponge from what I can tell is the same.

- H3 vs H3N

Almost the same. If boosting heavy, H3 will bubble more/earlier. H3N can take more booster more often. With light boosting, I couldn't tell a difference between the two in a blind experiment I did some time ago. On BH I use H3 because its slightly cheaper. H3N may last longer though, I don't have enough sample size to conclude on that.

 

[victormanriquey]

I have played with all H3 hardness-es and here's my feeling regarding these:

- H3 37 OS

On forehand is usable, but you will lack support from the sponge when hitting good shots. Cannot really be used away from the table. Slow, and really mid rubber for FH with mushy feeling.

Can be used if you're still learning stroke fundamentals, but you'll be served better with a rubber that has some tension and better feeling.

On BH, my main issue is the mushy feeling. After adding one layer of booster, it becomes much better for BH. Still does not have enough support for it to be used on FH.

- H3 38 OS

Better than 37 on FH. Can be used as a training rubber, even unboosted. Not great for competitive play, shots are a bit nerfed compared to 39. With one layer of booster, a bit too dead on BH. With 2 layers of boosters, becomes a great rubber on BH. Feeling is a bit mushy without booster.

- H3 39 OS

Great for FH but should not be played without booster. Can't be used on BH. Balls become much more dangerous and you'll have great feeling with 2 layers of boosters. Best rubber for someone who's still far from pro level but looks the part. Means, good technique both in upper and lower body and able to get into counterspin rallies. For unorthodox/lazy technique or for the ones relying too much on feeling, other rubbers will win more points.

- H3 40 OS

Similar to 39, just needs more layers of booster.

- H3 39/40 BS

Putting them in the same category because to use BS, it really needs to be juiced to the gills. Anything less than 3 layers of booster will result in a slow, mushy feeling and dead rubber with no middle gears. Hardness at this point just depends on how hard you can accelerate and how much punishment your body can endure. Won't recommend BS over OS untill you train more than 20 hours a week and your body still feels fine and you want to push your limits.

- Commercial vs Prov vs Nat

Minor differences if you get a good batch. If you get a bad batch commercial, it likely won't survive the booster, or will bubble within a month. I personally don't care about tackyness that much, and I've not seen major variations in tackyness levels either. Bad batch commercials really spoil the mood, so if boosting, go with prov/national.

National lasts a lot longer than provincial, so you get about the same value for both. Its seldom in stock though from the shop I buy, so I usually stick with provincial.

There is a slight difference in the topsheet of each, according to my feeling, but you don't notice it in play. Sponge from what I can tell is the same.

- H3 vs H3N

Almost the same. If boosting heavy, H3 will bubble more/earlier. H3N can take more booster more often. With light boosting, I couldn't tell a difference between the two in a blind experiment I did some time ago. On BH I use H3 because its slightly cheaper. H3N may last longer though, I don't have enough sample size to conclude on that.

I agree with the above, it's very well explained and pretty much what I explain in the guide I'll be publishing this weekend. Just a personal preference/nuance on blue sponge, I play it with 2 layers instead of 3, and only train 7h a week (10h one week a month) and I like it more than orange overall, I get the feeling that I can hold the ball a bit longer and I like the throw a bit more, but again, a smal nuance/detail, orange is fantastic too.

 

[TenPercentWinRate]

h3n unboosted is like a peanut butter jelly sandwich without peanut butter.

It’s more like Vegemite sandwich without Vegemite. It’s just some bread.

 

[victormanriquey]

Blue Sponge
The blue sponge offers enhanced elasticity and deeper ball contact. Its optimized design reduces dependence on boosting, allowing the rubber to perform well without boosting, though performance becomes better after boosting.

My apologies but anybody who has tried both sponges exhaustively knows that blue should be played boosted, otherwise avoid it Perhaps you refer to orange here?

 

[Nima Abadi]

I play unboosted and it's plenty fast. It's like someone choosing zyre 2.5 vs 2.7 sponge. If you want the full zyre effect you'd get 2.7, but that is not necessary.

If you play unboosted, pick the blue sponge. This is staight from DHS:

Blue Sponge
The blue sponge offers enhanced elasticity and deeper ball contact. Its optimized design reduces dependence on boosting, allowing the rubber to perform well without boosting, though performance becomes better after boosting.

I don't know where you've heard that BS is better left unboosted. As a matter of fact, if you don't want to boost then you should stick with OS, BS is meant to be boosted.

If you play with BS unboosted and you feel it's plenty fast then you're making a huge compromise somewhere in your game and just haven't hit the level to notice your compromises. Probably you're hitting with such exaggerated strokes that you (have to) kill the ball in one shot or else you can't recover fast enough to loop over and over again especially if you are a bit close to the table.

 

[ttarc]

Hello Everyone,

I know that this rubber is supposed to be boosted but I'm asking myself questions about DHS Hurricane 3 neo without the need to boost for Forehand which one would you think would be the best one beetween those (I think 39 would be the best degrees but could it be 38 ? ) if not boosted should it be 2.2mm or 2.15/2.1 mm ?

Commercial 39 OS
Provincial 39 OS
Provincial 39 BS
National 39 BS
National 39 OS

Sorry if it was discussed previously already

Have a nice day

What DHS says:
"Handbook of DHS T.T. Products" (translations by Google Translate) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xss4XdArxyhyyifUyy3y2tzR3AC6zGlT
"The No. 20 sponge, developed by DHS in 2000, closely inherits the design of the No. 22 sponge. Its control is enhanced primarily through the addition of plasticizers and changes in processing. Therefore, it has a softer feel and a cleaner surface finish. However, their basic performance is similar. The No. 20 sponge has finer, denser pores to increase its potential energy, resulting in a longer trajectory and higher speed. The No. 22 sponge has high tensile strength and strong rebound, maintaining a lower trajectory. Through forceful friction, it can generate high-speed spin and strong forward momentum." page 79 (90 in the PDF)
"The Blue Provincial Hurricane seems to have increased in weight? Is it due to formula adjustments or glue? Since 2021, the blue sponge rubbers used by national and provincial teams have undergone toughening treatment. This increased toughness allows the sponge to withstand more and denser impacts, extending its lifespan. After toughening, the blue sponge has more power, resulting in a slight weight increase, generally 3-5 grams." page 88 (99 in the PDF)

My experience

That's how my last provincial H3N 39 BS looked like fresh and because of the slight dome 1) I thought I give one a try unboosted... Freshly glued a ball dropped from around 10 cm (4 inches) made exactly one bounce... Never put so many touch shots in the net. Loops were doable but I'm quite sure that I would have had a much harder time to maintain good form in random drills or real matches similar to what @Nima Abadi said. One could still see what the BS is capable of but only with way to much input. The reviewer in 1) plays it unboosted too and one can see the effort he puts into his shots.

In short:

If it doesn't look at least like this I would only use it to work on technique and footwork but for this a commercial OS would suffice too.

1) usually they were either flat or had a slight reverse dome like in this video

 

[DBsystem78]

What DHS says:
"Handbook of DHS T.T. Products" (translations by Google Translate) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xss4XdArxyhyyifUyy3y2tzR3AC6zGlT
"The No. 20 sponge, developed by DHS in 2000, closely inherits the design of the No. 22 sponge. Its control is enhanced primarily through the addition of plasticizers and changes in processing. Therefore, it has a softer feel and a cleaner surface finish. However, their basic performance is similar. The No. 20 sponge has finer, denser pores to increase its potential energy, resulting in a longer trajectory and higher speed. The No. 22 sponge has high tensile strength and strong rebound, maintaining a lower trajectory. Through forceful friction, it can generate high-speed spin and strong forward momentum." page 79 (90 in the PDF)
"The Blue Provincial Hurricane seems to have increased in weight? Is it due to formula adjustments or glue? Since 2021, the blue sponge rubbers used by national and provincial teams have undergone toughening treatment. This increased toughness allows the sponge to withstand more and denser impacts, extending its lifespan. After toughening, the blue sponge has more power, resulting in a slight weight increase, generally 3-5 grams." page 88 (99 in the PDF)

My experience
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That's how my last provincial H3N 39 BS looked like fresh and because of the slight dome 1) I thought I give one a try unboosted... Freshly glued a ball dropped from around 10 cm (4 inches) made exactly one bounce... Never put so many touch shots in the net. Loops were doable but I'm quite sure that I would have had a much harder time to maintain good form in random drills or real matches similar to what @Nima Abadi said. One could still see what the BS is capable of but only with way to much input. The reviewer in 1) plays it unboosted too and one can see the effort he puts into his shots.

In short: View attachment 40410 If it doesn't look at least like this I would only use it to work on technique and footwork but for this a commercial OS would suffice too.

1) usually they were either flat or had a slight reverse dome like in this video

1 layer of Seamoon would be enough to start ? for a 39 Prov BS ? How often do you reboost it ? and with how many layers ? how many time do you reboost before you throw it out (usually) I know it's not an exact science

 

[victormanriquey]

1 layer of Seamoon would be enough to start ? for a 39 Prov BS ? How often do you reboost it ? and with how many layers ? how many time do you reboost before you throw it out (usually) I know it's not an exact science

Im gonna publish today the amateur H3N guide with answers to all those Qs, wait 1-2h plz

 

[victormanriquey]

As promised: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/dhs-hurricane-3-neo-the-complete-amateur-guide.38949/

Hope you guys like it and that it is helpful!

 

[zeio]

can you provide the original source / a link to this quote?

From "the official partner of DHS Sports in the U.S."

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https://dhssportsusa.com/products/dhs-hurricane-3-provincial-blue-table-tennis-rubbers
https://dhssportsusa.com/products/dhs-ma-long-table-tennis-rubber

Blue Sponge
The blue sponge offers enhanced elasticity and deeper ball contact. Its optimized design reduces dependence on boosting, allowing the rubber to perform well without boosting, though performance becomes better after boosting.

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