Dignics and its Effect on Sales of Tenergy and Rozena

[nablaz]

Just to add another point of perspective as I'm living in Japan for a while...
I can easily find Dignics between 7500 and 8000 Yen (43-46 euro, 47-50 US dollars as of today's conversion rate) and Tenergy for 6700 to 7000 Yen.
What's even crazier is the prices you can find Rakzas and Fastarcs... A real pity I play with Chinese rubbers!

 

[andzejgolot]

My friend's girlfriend comes to Japan very often but she didnt know anything about table tennis and I didnt want to her make stupid deals. Where I can find this type of price + I want try ai fukuhara zlf but this is not big deal. If you want help me, send me links I will try to talk with her.

 

[nablaz]

My friend's girlfriend comes to Japan very often but she didnt know anything about table tennis and I didnt want to her make stupid deals. Where I can find this type of price + I want try ai fukuhara zlf but this is not big deal. If you want help me, send me links I will try to talk with her.

You can find these prices even on amazon.co.jp...
Generally, here in Japan, most specialized shops are tied to TT clubs. The club I go to, as well as another couple I checked, applies 20% on Butterfly retail. Some clubs/shops have deals and can go even lower than that.
That said, most big sporting goods shops (the ones you find in big malls, etc.) carry TT material at reasonable prices...

 

[TheProfessor]

Just to add another point of perspective as I'm living in Japan for a while...
I can easily find Dignics between 7500 and 8000 Yen (43-46 euro, 47-50 US dollars as of today's conversion rate) and Tenergy for 6700 to 7000 Yen.
What's even crazier is the prices you can find Rakzas and Fastarcs... A real pity I play with Chinese rubbers!

Would it be possible to order them from outside Japan?

 

[nablaz]

Would it be possible to order them from outside Japan?

I have no idea if shops would be interested in selling internationally, but I seriously doubt they would like the hassle. Most shops cater only to their club members and often order directly for them, as they have limited stock... But I am in Fukuoka, maybe some big shops in Tokyo or elsewhere are better equipped for this.
I know user Catenaccio, here on the forum, sells from Japan with VERY modest markup. This is probably your best bet for getting product directly from Japan, short of having someone you know visit... I also know that some countries can order directly from amazon.co.jp (but you'll then have to pay your import duties yourself). Don't ask me which countries please, as I'm not really sure...
I'm sorry but that's all I got on the subject!

 

[TheProfessor]

I have no idea if shops would be interested in selling internationally, but I seriously doubt they would like the hassle. Most shops cater only to their club members and often order directly for them, as they have limited stock... But I am in Fukuoka, maybe some big shops in Tokyo or elsewhere are better equipped for this.
I know user Catenaccio, here on the forum, sells from Japan with VERY modest markup. This is probably your best bet for getting product directly from Japan, short of having someone you know visit... I also know that some countries can order directly from amazon.co.jp (but you'll then have to pay your import duties yourself). Don't ask me which countries please, as I'm not really sure...
I'm sorry but that's all I got on the subject!

thanks a bunch!

 

[Migzkulit]

Just to add another point of perspective as I'm living in Japan for a while...
I can easily find Dignics between 7500 and 8000 Yen (43-46 euro, 47-50 US dollars as of today's conversion rate) and Tenergy for 6700 to 7000 Yen.
What's even crazier is the prices you can find Rakzas and Fastarcs... A real pity I play with Chinese rubbers!

Man I found those dignics prices but Nittaku is evading me. It's at 4800-5200 yen which is still a lot. Rakza 7 at a sizzling 3900 yen tho

 

[Migzkulit]

Would it be possible to order them from outside Japan?

Just buy from me haha
*i've got leftover stock

 

[zeio]

As I noted, things are not good at the ESN camp and we now have more evidence.

Matsushita Koji and Philip Kim reveal the reason behind the new alliance between Victas and Xiom formed on 2024/7/17. It was all because of Rozena and Glayzer, the latter in particular. Victas hasn't been able to recover the sales lost during COVID-19 and Xiom couldn't see the future after Rozena and Glayzer were introduced.

As admitted by Kim in 2021, the marketing strategy of selling the Vega series at a loss to gain market share and gradually raising the price to eventually force those users into getting the Omega VII series has failed miserably and now backfired, which ESN warned against.

「正直に言えば、バタフライが『グレイザー』を発売した時にアライアンスを考えました」フィリップ・キムXIOM CEO
https://world-tt-s.com/news/page_1533.html
VICTASとXIOMがアライアンス契約。提携関係で「トップに立ちたい」
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193253

 

[zeio]

The wave has finally subsided. After 4 consecutive quarters of record-breaking revenue, Q1 (4-6/2024) of FY2025 saw a slight dip, which is said to be only temporary, as sales are expected to pick up again after Paris 2024 as they prepare to expand production.

 

[zeio]

First move after the alliance.

XIOMラバー価格改定。多くの商品が値下げになります
https://world-tt-s.com/news/page_1540.html

Effective 2024/9/2
Vega Asia Hybrid ¥6050 -> ¥5500
Vega Euro Hybrid ¥6050 -> ¥5500
Vega X ¥6050 -> ¥5500

Omega 5 Tour ¥7150 -> ¥6820
Omega 5 Pro ¥7150 -> ¥6820
Omega 5 Euro ¥7150 -> ¥6820

Omega 4 Tour ¥7150 -> ¥6270
Omega 4 Asia ¥7150 -> ¥6270
Omega 4 Euro ¥7150 -> ¥6270

Omega 7 Tour ¥8250 -> ¥7370
Omega 7 Pro ¥8250 -> ¥7370
Omega 7 Asia ¥8250 -> ¥7370
Omega 7 Euro ¥8250 -> ¥7370
Omega 7 Guang ¥8250 -> ¥7370
Omega 7 Ying ¥8250 -> ¥7370

 

[zeio]

The wave has finally subsided. After 4 consecutive quarters of record-breaking revenue, Q1 (4-6/2024) of FY2025 saw a slight dip, which is said to be only temporary, as sales are expected to pick up again after Paris 2024 as they prepare to expand production.

Just in. As projected, Q2 (7-9/2024) of FY2025 was yet another record-breaking quarter with the highest-ever revenue.

 

[andzejgolot]

Nittaku Fastarc G1 50/52,5, and sticky version would end any domination.

 

[yoass]

Nittaku Fastarc G1 50/52,5, and sticky version would end any domination.

I've been playing G1 for years now, and actually would be tempted to try a 50º version.

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

I've been playing G1 for years now, and actually would be tempted to try a 50º version.

Its not quite the same but I think the Stiga Mantra Pro H might be what you're looking for. Coming from G1 I eventually settled on Hurricane after trying several other nontacky rubbers but Pro H is one of the nontacky options that I quite like

 

[andzejgolot]

The Fastarc G1 is about ratio of easy access to high quality ball to enough speed to kill the ball and difference between deep slow speed in short game vs high aggressive spin on swing.
I mean OG ratio was about slow speed to high spin .
And od course durability...
I remember when I received 2.0 super thick G1 from my friend which was 3 Years old.... And looks like " Brand new"
but new formula " MaX " without not normal durability of super thick version.. more like boosted super thick version...

 

[yoass]

Its not quite the same but I think the Stiga Mantra Pro H might be what you're looking for. Coming from G1 I eventually settled on Hurricane after trying several other nontacky rubbers but Pro H is one of the nontacky options that I quite like

No, not the same at all. What I like about G1 is that it's like T05 that's less erratic in the short game. Pro H isn't like that.

 

[zeio]

For 2024, between Feb and Nov and except for May and Jun, Butterfly rubbers dominated 6 of the top 10, with Nittaku, Yasaka and Xiom rubbers filling the remaining 4 places.

With the weak yen, 2025 is likely going to be another bleak year for ESN rubbers.

用具売り上げランキング
2024年11月
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/ranking?gryr=202411

 

[zeio]

Hurricane has become more popular in recent years as more JNT and non-JNT players alike start using it. Table Tennis Kingdom has reported on it from time to time.

There is a dedicated thread over at 5ch and it's on its 17th run (a new thread must be started after 1000 posts).

【ｷｮｳﾋｮｳ】粘着ラバー総合スレ１７【ﾄﾘﾌﾟﾙ】 ([Hurricane] Tacky rubbers Consolidated Thread 17 [Triple])
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1640319442

 

[zeio]

More numbers are in. Butterfly Thailand had a fantastic 2023, with an increase of 6% in sales and 20% in profit compared to 2022. Comparing 2023 and 2019, the increase is 43% in sales and 98% in profit.

More updates. Butterfly Europe also had a fantastic 2023, with an increase of 9% in sales and over 50% in profit compared to 2022, which was already record breaking. With the weak yen, Dignics and Glayzer as well as their blades are selling like hotcakes. Forecasts for 2024 project another 5% increase in sales.

Definitely bad news for ESN. Desperate or not, Donic signing ZJK is better than nothing. They need him to keep themselves afloat.