Equipment does not have control. This is a lie.

[lodro]

To me the word control has two meanings in regards to TT equipment and play.

Even the title of this thread has two meanings :

Equipment does not have control. This is a lie.​

Meaning 1 : BB wants to tell us that equipment has no control.
but then he says that this is a lie, so
Meaning 2 : Equipment does have a control.

I know that English is a difficult language 😁😁😁😁😁

This whole thread is futile because we all know that a TT racket does "absolutely nothing but
smell a little but of rubber".

 

[Lazer]

Even the title of this thread has two meanings :

Equipment does not have control. This is a lie.​

Meaning 1 : BB wants to tell us that equipment has no control.
but then he says that this is a lie, so
Meaning 2 : Equipment does have a control.

I know that English is a difficult language 😁😁😁😁😁

This whole thread is futile because we all know that a TT racket does "absolutely nothing but
smell a little but of rubber".

This is also wrong, Your brain is doing the smelling part.
The racket emits particles...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Egon]

brokenball
You wrote in abstruse words of truth that are clear to all people who have been playing table tennis for a long time - the inventory itself does not play, but the person play and inventory helps to play and the higher the level of the player, the higher the requirements for inventory and vice versa. Just for these purposes, there are table tennis forums, where people can exchange thoughts and experience in using various equipment and choose it for their level of play.

 

[brokenball]

Om

It means how easy or difficult it is FOR YOU to control the hits and is basically an inverse of the speed.

Cheers
L-zr

I have seen you say that before. I don't comment then because it is almost right from an individual's perspective. faster paddles exaggerate the inconsistency. Since player only deals with his own inconsistency it appears that faster paddles are harder to control

However, for TT companies to say a TT paddle or rubber has control is wrong.

 

[lodro]

However, for TT companies to say a TT paddle or rubber has control is wrong.

Now that is most definitely the truth 👍

 

[Lazer]

Now that is most definitely the truth 👍

Yes, but they don’t. They say how easy or difficult it is for a player… That’s what we all mean as well…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Dr Evil]

Whether we're talking about targeting accuracy or average number of shots before a miss, context is key. Slower, less spinny equipment can help a beginner but hurt Ma Long. Faster spinnier equipment can help in topspin rallies, but hurt on serve receive. Many possible scenarios. Faster equipment might leave average trajectory distance the same while decreasing targeting accuracy variance, if for example it allows less effort and more precision.

 

[brokenball]

Whether we're talking about targeting accuracy or average number of shots before a miss, context is key. Slower, less spinny equipment can help a beginner but hurt Ma Long.

Yes, but Ma Long has a much smaller standard deviation than the rest of us. A smaller standard deviation means Ma Long is more consistent. So even if a paddle is 20% faster and increases Ma Long's inconsistency 20%. Ma Long's inconsistency is much lower than ours.

Faster spinnier equipment can help in topspin rallies but hurt on serve receive.

That is very true for those of us who have problems returning serves. The answer it is have a BH rubber that is less bouncy and spinny.

Many possible scenarios. Faster equipment might leave average trajectory distance the same while decreasing targeting accuracy variance, if for example it allows less effort and more precision.

Are you saying that you can make a more cautious stroke with less inconsistency with faster paddles? True but then you are returning weak balls.

Everyone should think about how consistent they are. Fast paddles and boosting don't help one with consistency.

 

[Richie]

It's obvious that equipment doesn't have control. It's just that doing certain things is easier with certain equipment than others, depending on what you're trying to achieve.

But in the end, the difference isn't that big as long as we're talking about relatively "standard" equipment. Though it does make a difference when we've pushed all the other buttons to their max. It's not strange that people want to optimize their equipment to their game/needs so that they have maximum control over it.

When I see these "control" ratings on equipment, I know that it's rubbish. But it also does tell beginners something. Basically: low control rating = ball flies out fast. High control rating = ball doesn't fly out fast.

When I've let people who don't play TT play with my racket they'll say something like "the ball just flies out" and when they play with those crappy premade rackets they can touch the ball without much rebound.

If the only goal was to endlessly put the ball on the table without any necessity of making the game more difficult for the opponent then you wouldn't need faster and spinnier equipment. But that isn't what it's about.

If you have solid technique, a strong body and have practiced a lot then it's no good using very slow and non spinny rubbers, you won't be able to utilise everything you've learnt to its potential so you must find some balance of relatively fast and spinny equipment.

 

[NextLevel]

When I've let people who don't play TT play with my racket they'll say something like "the ball just flies out" and when they play with those crappy premade rackets they can touch the ball without much rebound.

If the only goal was to endlessly put the ball on the table without any necessity of making the game more difficult for the opponent then you wouldn't need faster and spinnier equipment. But that isn't what it's about.

If you have solid technique, a strong body and have practiced a lot then it's no good using very slow and non spinny rubbers, you won't be able to utilise everything you've learnt to its potential so you must find some balance of relatively fast and spinny equipment.

Perfectly well written/said.

 

[lodro]

Yes, but they don’t. They say how easy or difficult it is for a player… That’s what we all mean as well…

Cheers
L-zr

you still haven't quite mastered the art of using the REPLY facility 😁

 

[Dr Evil]

...even if a paddle is 20% faster and increases Ma Long's inconsistency 20%...

It's not clear Ma Long would be less accurate (I think that's what you mean by inconsistency here) using a faster paddle. It might be the reverse. He'd have to put more power into his shots with a slower paddle, and that would impact his fine motor control as well as his recovery speed for the next shot, meaning he'd be out of position more frequently. Both factors would hurt his accuracy.

...for those of us who have problems returning serves. The answer it is have a BH rubber that is less bouncy and spinny.

For beginners, sure. But spinny rubber makes many serves receives (loops, flips, fast pushes, etc.) easier for more experienced players. It depends how good you are and what you're trying to do.

Are you saying that you can make a more cautious stroke with less inconsistency with faster paddles? True but then you are returning weak balls.

No, I'm saying that because a faster paddle dissipates less energy, you can use less energy to generate the same speed and spin. Since you don't have to generate as much power, you can be more precise and recover more quickly for the next shot.

Everyone should think about how consistent they are.

Strongly agree. Accuracy and consistency determine who wins.

Fast paddles and boosting don't help one with consistency.

Tell that to the CNT.

 

[brokenball]

It's not clear Ma Long would be less accurate (I think that's what you mean by inconsistency here) using a faster paddle. It might be the reverse. He'd have to put more power into his shots with a slower paddle, and that would impact his fine motor control as well as his recovery speed for the next shot, meaning he'd be out of position more frequently. Both factors would hurt his accuracy.

You don't understand. If Ma Long has a standard deviation of 1% and you have a standard deviation of 2% then even if Ma Long has a paddle that is 20% faster he will still be more consistent than you.

For beginners, sure. But spinny rubber makes many serves receives (loops, flips, fast pushes, etc.) easier for more experienced players. It depends how good you are and what you're trying to do.

Yes, it depends on how consistent you are.

No, I'm saying that because a faster paddle dissipates less energy, you can use less energy to generate the same speed and spin. Since you don't have to generate as much power, you can be more precise and recover more quickly for the next shot.

Yes, but most of us play close to the table so efficiencies is that big a deal. Note that the speed of a TT ball drops by about half after 5 meters so distance is a bigger factor.

Strongly agree. Accuracy and consistency determine who wins.

Tell that to the CNT.

I am sure they know.
I bet the lying manufacturers know too but they lie to sell product.
Actually, I bet the manufactures monitor TT forum and use the same words that TT people use then TT people use the same words the manufacturers use. The non-sense and lies feed on itself.

 

[blahness]

I find it strange that inverted players are saying that a spinnier rubber is harder to control than a less spinny rubber. Faster bouncier rubbers are harder to control, but imo spinnier rubbers enhance control especially if you're actively producing spin in all shots. Spinny rubber allows you to overwrite the incoming spin much easier which makes your strokes less affected by incoming spin. They are only bad in passive strokes as they also react more to spin.

Personally I play significantly worse when the rubber is not so spinny, especially when looping, because the more spin, the greater the Magnus effect which allows for a greater area of landing on the table - thus higher consistency.

 

[Lazer]

you still haven't quite mastered the art of using the REPLY facility 😁

O yes I have, don’t be a grumpy old man.😃

Cheers
L-zr

 

[lodro]

O yes I have, don’t be a grumpy old man.😃

Cheers
L-zr

No you don't you ignoramus