Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[ttarc]

TLDR: if someone is looking for a tack rubber that has afaster base speed and throw angle than a boosted H3, then a boosted Rxton 9 is a good option. Rxton 7 (37deg) is a great medium hardness rubber if you are looking for a very controlled but definetly not slow rubber.

R9 boosted:
Speed faster than boosted H3
Throw higher than boosted H3

R7 boosted:
Speed ?
Throw ?

How are the topsheets compared to H3? Softer, harder, similar?

If the R7 is also faster or at least as fast as boosted H3 37 with similar or higher throw than I would definitely give it a try. R9 red/speed version seems to be Unobtainium right now.

 

[andzejgolot]

why would i compare PK50 to Rakza Z EH ? PK i use on the backhand and Rakza Z EH i definitely would use on the forehand.
Given the experience of the boosted LAC whose sponge tore apart when removing it from the blade, even though i had only used a very thin layer of yellow seamoon, i would not think that boosting LAC is a good idea in the first place.
What was interesting is, that the Jupiter 3 Asia '39 felt quite nice on the backhand (on the blade i got the RZEH on the forehand) and i did not have to adjust much (coming from the pk50). RZEH on the other hand had a noticable other throw than LAC and Rxton 7 '39 for pushes and flicks.

The one "issue" i have is that the ball feeling on the Rxton 7 is very different to LAC. The feeling when hitting the ball is just like any other chinese rubber like battle 3 or 729 Dragon-F. Simply very muted.

From my point of view the most important is throw and tacky topsheet like all chinese rubbers have low throw and Rakza Z EH is on revspin described as low throw when Rakza Z is known as high throw which is probably the most similar to Sieger
Sieger PK is close to tenergy and hurricane 3 than yall think
I read here that LAC Has high throw which is always great when it is easier to grab the ball from downspin

 

[jk1980]

From my point of view the most important is throw and tacky topsheet like all chinese rubbers have low throw and Rakza Z EH is on revspin described as low throw when Rakza Z is known as high throw which is probably the most similar to Sieger

and this is where you got it wrong. you should not read to much into revspin ratings, because you don't know what other rubbers the people rating it know or play or what they are used to.

Rakza Z has a high throw, LAC does not have as high of a throw as Rakza Z, but still far from low in most shots. It is very similar with the Rakza Z Extra Hard which might not have the same high throw of the regular Rakza Z but probably even higher than LAC.
You have to remember that Rakza Z and Rakza Z Extra Hard share one topsheet (same registration number), so the only real difference is the sponge thereunder.

For very light impact/brushing strokes the throw will be identical between Rakza Z and Z EH.

Only when you go more into the power loop territory the extra hard version has more potential and can drive the ball more forwards which makes the throw a little lower, but still quite high.

Sieger PK is close to tenergy and hurricane 3 than yall think
I read here that LAC Has high throw which is always great when it is easier to grab the ball from downspin

I don't even know what we are talking about here ! so you are judging the throw of Rakza Z extra hard by reading revspin values and regarding LAC you also have no first hand experience and only go by what people write here ?

Sorry, but then there is no foundation for you to evaluate or give opinion about the rubbers or the comparision when you neither tried Rakza Z EH nor LAC.

If you want to get more insight into how some rubbers behave that are not widely played i recommend turning on translated subtitles for roning teams rubber reviews:

He does attest the Rakza Z Extra Hard a very high throw.
He has a review for the Rxton 9 which i did not watch yet online:

 

[Attitude]

I tested both Rxton 7 (37deg) and Rxton 9 (39deg), with 1 layer of national yellow on the Rxton 7 and 2 layers of national yellow on the Rxton 9 on a DHS W968 replica. The Rxton 7 is very nice imo, very controlled but not slow at all. The Rxton 9 on the other hand had a similar base speed than a D09C imo. The throw angle of the Rxton 9 also reminded me of D09C. Both rubbers grip the ball quite well and attacking half long balls felt quite nice. The top sheet of the Rxton 9 felt super elastic tho which felt unusual, some ppl may like this, others not so much.

In terms of spin they are just good as any other rubber like 09C and boosted H3 national. Measured it with spinsight and on the top end I got 130+ rps against block, from both rubbers. I just find the spin generation of rubbers like H3 a bit overrated, it can create a lot of spin but other rubbers do the exact same.

TLDR: if someone is looking for a tack rubber that has afaster base speed and throw angle than a boosted H3, then a boosted Rxton 9 is a good option. Rxton 7 (37deg) is a great medium hardness rubber if you are looking for a very controlled but definetly not slow rubber.

Sorry have to strongly disagree in terms of the throw angle of the R9 compared to H3.
This might be true for some shots with the OS but not the BS.

Sorry but you cant boost that R9 that much, that it changes it throw angle so much that it matches H3 and definitly 09C by a long shot.
Otherwise R9 would get close to lac and therefore literally close to 09C. And even LAC compared to 09C is still a huge difference.
I mean what are we talking about here?! 09C and H3 arent really close in itself. Otherwise people wouldnt prefer one over the other especially for their backhand. That statement is so weird in itself. There is no need for a tldr, there is a need for way more elaboration if you want to make sense here imo

 

[mamedium]

recently bought H3 42 from Global Sports Store. Arrived in 8 days, BUT the rubber is definitely fake. The logo and prints on rubber is smaller than my regular H3 from TT11. The print on sponge is very hard to see. The sponge is mushy, more like 38 degrees. I boosted , it played terrible, non responsive and does not have the regular sound of H3.

Wrote to the store but they keep sending me... promotion messages.
The code passes valid check on website but the rubber is trash. Very disappointed and probably won't buy from them again. Or ever.

 

[andzejgolot]

recently bought H3 42 from Global Sports Store. Arrived in 8 days, BUT the rubber is definitely fake. The logo and prints on rubber is smaller than my regular H3 from TT11. The print on sponge is very hard to see. The sponge is mushy, more like 38 degrees. I boosted , it played terrible, non responsive and does not have the regular sound of H3.

Wrote to the store but they keep sending me... promotion messages.
The code passes valid check on website but the rubber is trash. Very disappointed and probably won't buy from them again. Or ever.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EuJuuro

You bought player edition?
I mean I heard they are really soft

 

[mamedium]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EuJuuro

You bought player edition?
I mean I heard they are really soft

i bought National version

 

[andzejgolot]

i bought National version

PROTT

Here you have photos.
how you compare H3/42 to LAC ? ( You dont need to respond IT, I dont want to take this offtopic out of Hand)

 

[DarkMatter]

Sorry have to strongly disagree in terms of the throw angle of the R9 compared to H3.
This might be true for some shots with the OS but not the BS.

Sorry but you cant boost that R9 that much, that it changes it throw angle so much that it matches H3 and definitly 09C by a long shot.
Otherwise R9 would get close to lac and therefore literally close to 09C. And even LAC compared to 09C is still a huge difference.
I mean what are we talking about here?! 09C and H3 arent really close in itself. Otherwise people wouldnt prefer one over the other especially for their backhand. That statement is so weird in itself. There is no need for a tldr, there is a need for way more elaboration if you want to make sense here imo

Well it depends on what kind of throw angle you are talking about with a boosted h3. If you just engage the topsheet with h3 you can create very high arcs, but as soon you engage the sponge then H3's trajectory becomes super flat imo. All I did was describe my subjective experience of my boosted R9. And to me it definetly had a rather high throw angle and a super elastic topsheet.

 

[boretennis]

recently bought H3 42 from Global Sports Store. Arrived in 8 days, BUT the rubber is definitely fake. The logo and prints on rubber is smaller than my regular H3 from TT11. The print on sponge is very hard to see. The sponge is mushy, more like 38 degrees. I boosted , it played terrible, non responsive and does not have the regular sound of H3.

Wrote to the store but they keep sending me... promotion messages.
The code passes valid check on website but the rubber is trash. Very disappointed and probably won't buy from them again. Or ever.

was there no code on the package?

 

[DarkMatter]

recently bought H3 42 from Global Sports Store. Arrived in 8 days, BUT the rubber is definitely fake. The logo and prints on rubber is smaller than my regular H3 from TT11. The print on sponge is very hard to see. The sponge is mushy, more like 38 degrees. I boosted , it played terrible, non responsive and does not have the regular sound of H3.

Wrote to the store but they keep sending me... promotion messages.
The code passes valid check on website but the rubber is trash. Very disappointed and probably won't buy from them again. Or ever.

Any proof that it is fake? I'm currently using a 42 deg H3 from global sports store and it seems legit to me, plays well after boosting.

 

[mamedium]

Any proof that it is fake? I'm currently using a 42 deg H3 from global sports store and it seems legit to me, plays well after boosting.

read my post again. if you think its legit then you probably havent tried the real 42.

 

[DarkMatter]

read my post again. if you think its legit then you probably havent tried the real 42.

How would you know that my H3 isn't real? It had the authentication number which was legit, smelled exactly like H3 and it plays really well after boosting. If my rubber were to be fake then it would be the best playing fake rubber probably ever. So unless you can prove that your rubber is fake with pictures, then I'm not convinced. Could just be that you got a horrible batch.

 

[mamedium]

How would you know that my H3 isn't real? It had the authentication number which was legit, smelled exactly like H3 and it plays really well after boosting. If my rubber were to be fake then it would be the best playing fake rubber probably ever. So unless you can prove that your rubber is fake with pictures, then I'm not convinced. Could just be that you got a horrible batch.

if yours plays well then why would you need to be convinced? im just sharing my experience. i thought i had a bad sheet from a bad batch so i ordered again - same result. I can just tell by hitting with it since I’ve always used H3 since 2011. The code doesn’t really matter, its all about how it plays.

 

[Grumms]

09C and H3 aren't really close in itself. Otherwise people wouldn't prefer one over the other especially for their backhand.

You're naïve. So many people prefer a rubber from another one for absolutely no objective reason. So people even prefer rubbers that are unfit to their technique. You're used to this forum, and you see so many people have opposite judgements about the same rubbers. As long as their is no measurement, any of our opinions is almost useless.

 

[Attitude]

You're naïve. So many people prefer a rubber from another one for absolutely no objective reason. So people even prefer rubbers that are unfit to their technique. You're used to this forum, and you see so many people have opposite judgements about the same rubbers. As long as their is no measurement, any of our opinions is almost useless.

Nothing naive at all.
If we speak about H3 and D09c i would never reference any amateur or even anyone on this forum with "people".
People here means players that i can refer to of which i know they use that rubber, usually pros.

And that is the only thing i take here and put into my judgement.

Exactly you have no measurements for amateurs especially if you dont know how they play and on what they are using this.

But in the end my statement remains, H3≠D09c. Those 2 rubbers have different playing characteristics and shouldnt be compared like they are the same, otherwise you make no sense for anyone. Give some perspective or as you would say it: your opinion is useless^^

 

[Grumms]

Or, because pros are using massively those 2 rubbers, maybe they're very close (once boosted), from their point of view.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Or, because pros are using massively those 2 rubbers, maybe they're very close (once boosted), from their point of view.

It's probably not a coincidence that pros using 09c are mostly players who didn't use H3 before, and those who used H3 before are still using H3. There are still clear differences even if they are similar rubbers.

 

[K.K]

anybody tried the loki kirin 5 rubber?

 

[Grumms]

I tried a little the Rxton 9 and Rxton 7 freshly boosted with JieChi on a DHS 301. Very nice pairing but quite fast, even if my 301 is only 1240Hz.