Felix Lebrun lost 14 direct points on serve when faced Wang Chuqin

[Angerer]

Thanks for not reading my post.

I will repeat: you can only blame ITTF/WTT that they interpret the rule the way they do during TTR challenges.

You clearly don't understand the rule.
Maybe English isn't your first language, but it is clearly stated, and I will post the exact wording again (from the ITTF handbook):


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easy English
1) from toss, to contact (meaning the entire toss of the ball)
2) the ball
3) should not be hidden from the receiver

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thanks for not reading my post.

I will repeat: you can only blame ITTF/WTT that they interpret the rule the way they do during TTR challenges.

its not that ITTF/WTT can't interpret the rule
they can only enforce what they can see, which is absolutely nothing - especially with player side camera angle is blocked by the player.

this is like 2025, and we have a pro sport struggling with technology.
UTT can mount camera's on the netpost, why can't WTT with its TTR?

 

[Attitude]

Aruna got faulted for his forehand serves. It was so bad he served exclusively backhsnd against Harimoto. He beat Zhou Qihao mostly serving backhand so it wasn't like his forehand serves were required. But Quadri has always had major toss issues on his forehand serves, so I wasn't surprised by the faults and was even expecting the fault calls.

Jorgic also got faulted more for his forehand serve with its backward toss. Yes his tosses also had issues on backhand serves which occasionally got faults. But his forehand serves had more issues.

But sure I will wait for your analysis. I dont think your statement is accurate.

First of all Jorgic got a let call in the first set (pendulum). Not for his toss but for hiding. Umpire showed head, but if you observe him you will see that he hides the serve almost with his upper body in many many occasions.
Second set 3rd point he got fault for his bh serve. Even with TTR.

One addition i recalled again was the match from Wang, who got disqualified because he hit the table after he got faulted (more than once?) for his bh serves.

But you are right with Arunas match. No clue why i recalled that different.
And i am most certainly wrong with the absolut amount of fault calls but not relatively.

And i repeat myself that i only stated that, because this is one of many reasons why i think only bh serves are a bad idea and doesnt necessarily solve anything.

Btw @TensorBackhand because you asked that in another post - in the match Aruna vs Hariomoto you see how effective bh serves can be, and more the reason why players switch back to them in certain scenarios, even though Aruna most certainly had different reasons to do so^^

 

[NextLevel]

First of all Jorgic got a let call in the first set (pendulum). Not for his toss but for hiding. Umpire showed head, but if you observe him you will see that he hides the serve almost with his upper body in many many occasions.
Second set 3rd point he got fault for his bh serve. Even with TTR.

One addition i recalled again was the match from Wang, who got disqualified because he hit the table after he got faulted (more than once?) for his bh serves.

But you are right with Arunas match. No clue why i recalled that different.
And i am most certainly wrong with the absolut amount of fault calls but not relatively.

And i repeat myself that i only stated that, because this is one of many reasons why i think only bh serves are a bad idea and doesnt necessarily solve anything.

Btw @TensorBackhand because you asked that in another post - in the match Aruna vs Hariomoto you see how effective bh serves can be, and more the reason why players switch back to them in certain scenarios, even though Aruna most certainly had different reasons to do so^^

How many and which Darko marches are you using? He served forehand less so he got more calls on his backhand serve, but his forehand serves has issues.

We generally agree so we are discussing small things. Toss issues on backhand serves are possible but hiding without beinf obvious is harder hence their desire. But I agree that i don't like limiting serve variation and spin variation like that. Serves are fun, their abuse, not so much.

 

[songdavid98]

low toss / no toss serve is not really a discussion. It’s easy for the camera to measure and enforce. No need to talk about that anymore.

Hidden serves are the topic. Are there cameras on all 4 corners of the table 1 court? ITTF should make a rule that the opponent’s 2 corner cameras need to see the serve. Then the cameras can enforce the rule.

 

[zeio]

low toss / no toss serve is not really a discussion. It’s easy for the camera to measure and enforce. No need to talk about that anymore.

Hidden serves are the topic. Are there cameras on all 4 corners of the table 1 court? ITTF should make a rule that the opponent’s 2 corner cameras need to see the serve. Then the cameras can enforce the rule.

TTR by SpinSight is not clear as the guideline has yet to be released to the public.

TTR by RigourTech had 15 cameras and 4 were on either side of the table pointing at each corner on the other end, with the line of sight through one netpost (camera 11/14 and 13/15 in the last link below).

https://www.ittf.com/wttc-documents/
https://www.ittf.com/ioc-event-brief-reference-material/
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Table-Tennis-Review-TTR-–-Event-Organiser-Guide.pdf

 

[Attitude]

How many and which Darko marches are you using? He served forehand less so he got more calls on his backhand serve, but his forehand serves has issues.

We generally agree so we are discussing small things. Toss issues on backhand serves are possible but hiding without beinf obvious is harder hence their desire. But I agree that i don't like limiting serve variation and spin variation like that. Serves are fun, their abuse, not so much.

Yes i agree.
Well the topic is concerning the US smash, so i only used the matches from there as reference. And only those of which i found/recalled fault calls.

 

[I Love Anders Lind]

mystery solved