First time with H3N Rubber coming from d09c - How to boost and what to expect?

[Zezima]

Hey folks,
my last EJ for this and next year. I have been playing with the d09c on my fh for a year now on my W968 -2 Blade.
When I put a new sheet on 3 weeks ago I really hated it. I couldn't really get a good feedback. Now in the last 2 Sessions I really like it. But I had already bought the booster (appearently its seamoon and not yellow even though the package is yellow lol) and the sheet bought in WTT Frankfurt for 50€.


When it comes to boosting the rubber I keep hearing different opinions. I am also not sure about testing this rubber on my blade in the middle of the season. I also heard I need to play with this rubber for a week till it gets playable so I can't just change and change it back to d09c after one session. Also not sure if I will lose performance on my d09c if I have to reglue it after a week in case the H3N experiment goes wrong?

Thoughts?

Video of the first session: H3n vs D09c Trainingsession

 

[NextLevel]

This boosted rubber path is usually not for players who do not have someone around them to guide them. Starting with an expensive national rubber as your first foray into boosting is not the way to go either if you care about getting it right.

On the other hand, i have never had issues with gluing or regluing a Butterfly rubber yo a blade and feeling the performance was significantly affected. But that is a glue job and mental focus issue, some people have technique (really mindset) that is extremely sensitive to minor changes.

If you are going to take the approach of asking all these questions, you are usually better off waiting until a time when you don't care about your match results to make changes, especially if you only have one blade to use to play with. Usually these are experiments most EJs run on their backups before switching to their main blade.

 

[NetProphet]

Hey folks,
my last EJ for this and next year. I have been playing with the d09c on my fh for a year now on my W968 -2 Blade.
When I put a new sheet on 3 weeks ago I really hated it. I couldn't really get a good feedback. Now in the last 2 Sessions I really like it. But I had already bought the booster (commercial Haifu yellow) and the sheet bought in WTT Frankfurt for 50€.


When it comes to boosting the rubber I keep hearing different opinions. I am also not sure about testing this rubber on my blade in the middle of the season. I also heard I need to play with this rubber for a week till it gets playable so I can't just change and change it back to d09c after one session. Also not sure if I will lose performance on my d09c if I have to reglue it after a week in case the H3N experiment goes wrong?

Thoughts?

Thought about using the booster on the 09c first?
That is a mega hard sponge. It's what Id do if a new 09c was so hard I felt I couldn't use it...

 

[Zezima]

This boosted rubber path is usually not for players who do not have someone around them to guide them. Starting with an expensive national rubber as your first foray into boosting is not the way to go either if you care about getting it right.

On the other hand, i have never had issues with gluing or regluing a Butterfly rubber yo a blade and feeling the performance was significantly affected. But that is a glue job and mental focus issue, some people have technique (really mindset) that is extremely sensitive to minor changes.

If you are going to take the approach of asking all these questions, you are usually better off waiting until a time when you don't care about your match results to make changes, especially if you only have one blade to use to play with. Usually these are experiments most EJs run on their backups before switching to their main blade.

its provincial not national. I have a backup long 5 commercial blade I could try the h3n on aswell. it also has d09c both sides atm.

 

[Zezima]

Thought about using the booster on the 09c first?
That is a mega hard sponge. It's what Id do if a new 09c was so hard I felt I couldn't use it...

I don't need to boost d09c I like it much better now it just took some time..

 

[NextLevel]

its provincial not national. I have a backup long 5 commercial blade I could try the h3n on aswell. it also has d09c both sides atm.

Okay, provincial, my bad. Test it on your backup and run experimenta on your back up if you are concerned about results. Usually you find someone you trust and follow their recommendations. Boosting is not a super hard science, everyone does things slightly differently and has different preferences.

 

[Zezima]

Okay, provincial, my bad. Test it on your backup and run experimenta on your back up if you are concerned about results. Usually you find someone you trust and follow their recommendations. Boosting is not a super hard science, everyone does things slightly differently and has different preferences.

my brother forced me to use that rubber now so I opened it it has 2 cuts on the edges. There is a seal on it aswell. It's only very little tacky almost reminds me of a new d09c sheet.
Applied one thin+ layer on it and now will wait till tomorrow ~20h

I just don't know if I need another layer? What are the pros and cons other than the rubber being softer?

 

[ttarc]

When it comes to boosting the rubber I keep hearing different opinions. I am also not sure about testing this rubber on my blade in the middle of the season. I also heard I need to play with this rubber for a week till it gets playable so I can't just change and change it back to d09c after one session. Also not sure if I will lose performance on my d09c if I have to reglue it after a week in case the H3N experiment goes wrong?

Thoughts?

Boosting itself is not that complicated. To get a feeling for it just take an old (dumped) rubber and try it.
Boosting H3N: Some remove the glue layer first, some boost through that glue layer, some remove the glue layer and apply a new glue layer and boost and so on.
Nowadays I'm lazy and just boost through the factory glue layer. Apply first layer, wait two or three hours until try, apply second layer, wait until dry and glue it on. Maybe around 12 to 16 hours after the initial booster layer.
Two thin layers are enough for 39° BS or OS.
Depending on how thick/thin the layers are the first layer may not dome the rubber enough to get the topsheet tension that I like. Two thin layers usually do the trick on a fresh sheet: from (almost) flat to a nice semicircle.

The tricky part is gluing: Gluing domed rubbers with thin glues like Revolution No. 3 needs some practice. Thicker glues like Finezip or Free Chack Pro 2 are easier to used.

 

[golden_son]

I also boost on top of the factory or one glue layer. It may be placebo but I think it helps prevent booster from contacting the topsheet and causing separation bubbles. Then another 1-2 layers of glue. (1 if I'm just experimenting/expect to peel it off in the near future; 2 if I plan to keep the rubber on until it dies.)

The tricky part is gluing: Gluing domed rubbers with thin glues like Revolution No. 3 needs some practice. Thicker glues like Finezip or Free Chack Pro 2 are easier to used.

Alternatively if you're patient you can wait a couple of extra days for the dome to flatten out before gluing, and leave a heavy book on it after gluing to help the edges bond.

 

[mamedium]

boosting is like eating steak
some like it welldone (boost to the max) or medium rare (2 layers) or raw, just salt and pepper (no boost)

how does it feel to you is what matters

 

[belllfador]

Some put 5-6 layers and are in top 10.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/the-pros-equipment-discussion.12497/post-550162

My advice — put one layer of seamoon yellow, wait a day, glue and play. After some time, put a second layer. Play, see the difference. Put more layers if you like. Buy a second sheet H3, use Falco long or platinum. See the difference. After that you will know what to expect from boosting.

My personal preference is 1 layer seamoon 2, wait half a day, 1 layer Falco platinum, wait a week, glue and play. Not a fan of glue-boost-glue sandwich.

 

[RefereeNumber2]

Removing and re-gluing D09c usually makes it a bit softer and slower than before, but nothing very dramatic. You might even find it makes your rubber easier to play.

There’s a lot of superstitious and very specific boosting practices out there. It seems like everyone does it slightly differently, even at the highest levels. The one thing they all have in common is getting the booster oil into the sponge. Use your common sense and do what is simple/works for you.

What I do:
For H3N I use two thickish layers at minimum (maybe more for harder sponges), but you can start with one layer and then remove the rubber and add more (although be aware this can have slightly different results).

I would advise using thick glue like DHS, and you can glue when the rubber is still domed. Imo this is the point of boosting, otherwise you’re just letting the booster wear off before you even get to play the rubber.

You already have this one sheet, but if you find yourself wanting to experiment more, I recommend the Nittaku H3 Neo. It can usually be had cheaper than the provincial versions, and it has high and consistent quality (unlike commercial). It’s a bit lighter and softer than provincial orange sponge 39 degrees, but definitely enough for you to get the feel for boosting and using hurricane without breaking the bank or feeling bad about messing up a sheet.

 

[Zezima]

I put one (thin?) Layer I think its been 7-8h now.

I got the dhs? 15. Something glue.

My brother got me one extra national sheet aswell that will arrive in the next weeks.

The rubber is a bit domed. So another layer now before going to sleep or better not?

Wait 24h and then just 2 layers glue on the rubber and 1 on the wood still right?

 

[rbtitco]

Its easy. I like to strip th

I put one (thin?) Layer I think its been 7-8h now.

I got the dhs? 15. Something glue.

My brother got me one extra national sheet aswell that will arrive in the next weeks.

The rubber is a bit domed. So another layer now before going to sleep or better not?

Wait 24h and then just 2 layers glue on the rubber and 1 on the wood still right?

Yea, put 2 on it, one wont do all that much. It can handle 2 no problem, then wait 24 hours and glue like u said. Make sure layer 1 is dry tho

 

[Zezima]

ok 2nd layer applied aswell. Not sure if I applied again too thinly. Does it hurt if I wait 32h~? 24h is midnight tomorrow. Not sure if I have time then

 

[rbtitco]

ok 2nd layer applied aswell. Not sure if I applied again too thinly. Does it hurt if I wait 32h~? 24h is midnight tomorrow. Not sure if I have time then

Wait as long as u want. See how curly it gets. U can play around with different amounts later and see how u like it. But yea, get to it when u can, glue it and have fun! Later, u can figure out how much booster u like to play.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

putting too thin layer, it won't absorb enough oil
putting too much is also a problem

you can wait 12 hours and see.
if the sponge is dry and not oily, you can add another layer on if there haven't been much dome/reaction

you do have a 39 deg, which is soft, some over doing it would make it very soft.

and btw, you have the Haifu Seamoon oil. This is not yellow, Haifu Yellow is different.
the Seasmoon isn't hardcore, so that is why I suggest a 3rd layer if you felt the first two are too thin.

it is normal the first layer won't do that much dome.

the below is about 1 hour after putting the 2nd layer using Haifu national yellow oil.
you are also welcome to use a bottle in the center like I did,

 

[Zezima]

Wait as long as u want. See how curly it gets. U can play around with different amounts later and see how u like it. But yea, get to it when u can, glue it and have fun! Later, u can figure out how much booster u like to play.

how would I decide that?

 

[Zezima]

putting too thin layer, it won't absorb enough oil
putting too much is also a problem

you can wait 12 hours and see.
if the sponge is dry and not oily, you can add another layer on if there haven't been much dome/reaction

you do have a 39 deg, which is soft, some over doing it would make it very soft.

and btw, you have the Haifu Seamoon oil. This is not yellow, Haifu Yellow is different.
the Seasmoon isn't hardcore, so that is why I suggest a 3rd layer if you felt the first two are too thin.

it is normal the first layer won't do that much dome.

the below is about 1 hour after putting the 2nd layer using Haifu national yellow oil.
you are also welcome to use a bottle in the center like I did,

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oh I thought I have the normal yellow since the bottle is also yellow. Idk all these different type and then the additional "national etc" is a bit confusing.


I am gonna attach the pictures now after 16h of the 2nd layer

 

[Zezima]