French NTTC-2025 (Championnat de France de tennis de table)

[Tony's Table Tennis]

This is my last word on the subject. You need strong players. Doubled, singles, a win is a win. If Coton or Poret overtake Gauzy in 1 or 2 years, it wil not be doubles that keeps them out. Gauzy us very strong but I think the youth are inspired. We will see.

on another matter,

doubles is actually bigger than any one, in these olympic formats, and the player needs to adapt.

In TPE vs JPN during the last Olympics, there was an incident in TPE camp, where the 3 players + head coach agreed that LYJ will play doubles + 1 single. Team manager was happy.

The other doubles player with play single, and the other player 2 singles.
They recon 2 singles off Harimoto is impossible, and singles off the other player is possible.
The only issue is, could they win the doubles to fight for the decider in the 5th match.

They agreed, but politics evolved during the evening when one of the players received a phone call from Taiwan and the next morning (the day of the QF), the decision was over turned.
This was not from team management politics, but player politics sadly.

So what happened was Taiwan lost 1-3 with a doubles lost. LYJ took the only point with a win over Harimoto.
This happened also with the team affected by this 11th hour phone call.

When I talk about this, people would think, but LYJ doesn't play much doubles, but he is still a very good doubles player


With doubles being key, and if all 3 players can't play doubles... this is a huge disadvantage to the team.

 

[zeio]

They agreed, but politics evolved during the evening when one of the players received a phone call from Taiwan and the next morning (the day of the QF), the decision was over turned.
This was not from team management politics, but player politics sadly.

LMAO...

China is the only country with centralized system. All other countries are all independent.

With China, if you the head coach and both players train under you, then it is complicated and shows favoritism, which is not good.

So yes, I like coaches too, and ok when it is truly independent. If same team, it is customary to have no coaches to be neutral.

 

[d3nium]

Another amazing final between the Lebrun brothers with a great crowd & atmosphere. I wish we had this in the UK.

 

[Shine]

on another matter,

doubles is actually bigger than any one, in these olympic formats, and the player needs to adapt.

In TPE vs JPN during the last Olympics, there was an incident in TPE camp, where the 3 players + head coach agreed that LYJ will play doubles + 1 single. Team manager was happy.

The other doubles player with play single, and the other player 2 singles.
They recon 2 singles off Harimoto is impossible, and singles off the other player is possible.
The only issue is, could they win the doubles to fight for the decider in the 5th match.

They agreed, but politics evolved during the evening when one of the players received a phone call from Taiwan and the next morning (the day of the QF), the decision was over turned.
This was not from team management politics, but player politics sadly.

So what happened was Taiwan lost 1-3 with a doubles lost. LYJ took the only point with a win over Harimoto.
This happened also with the team affected by this 11th hour phone call.

When I talk about this, people would think, but LYJ doesn't play much doubles, but he is still a very good doubles player


With doubles being key, and if all 3 players can't play doubles... this is a huge disadvantage to the team.

Who's that powerful enough to call and effect such a drastic change in things despite unanimous agreement among the team members? Must be a godfather sort of person. Color me surprised that despite the veneer of independence, things like this still happen.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

LMAO...

clearly you can see independent would have players opinion in the team.
something not possible in China where the players have very little voice and need to make use of weibo collectively to force things to happen (and retire in the process)

thanks for proving my point

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Who's that powerful enough to call and effect such a drastic change in things despite unanimous agreement among the team members? Must be a godfather sort of person. Color me surprised that despite the veneer of independence, things like this still happen.

well, my purpose was about doubles, so I'm not going to talk about the gossip part itself.
If a team is not flexible on doubles, then there are in a disadvantage.

zeio is the one that likes to talk about gossip, that is one of the main things keeping those chinese social media going.
and on that part of player independence (including opinions), it happens in every country - including Japan and Korea and European countries for example.
China, so you won't have much voice from bottom up. The main boss has the biggest say.

One could say, there is pros and cons on both, you need to have a neutral person to be fair, else there will always be abuse of power.

 

[igorponger]

Impossible.. they did admitted shiny table due to sunlight inside the court. Utterly terrible illumination on the centre court. The ball almost invisible.
So much disappointed about France TV broadcaster. Impossible lapse with sunlight.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Impossible.. they did admitted shiny table due to sunlight inside the court. Utterly terrible illumination on the centre court. The ball almost invisible.
So much disappointed about France TV broadcaster. Impossible lapse with sunlight.

Igor, it is clear from this comment that you are an amateur and have never been to a proper championships
you need to understand the angle of the camera would have glares from the light. That doesn't mean the table is shiny.... it is the camera.

The players are not using the same angle on the table. There is no glares from the light.
there is no sunlight inside the court........ it is called glare. Maybe you saw some venue with glass roof... but trust me... French TT federation people are not amateurs.

So disappointed with your lack of understanding on lighting and camera angles. I thought you were some international umpire and have been to few events in person

 

[PoppaChubby]

Igor, it is clear from this comment that you are an amateur and have never been to a proper championships
you need to understand the angle of the camera would have glares from the light. That doesn't mean the table is shiny.... it is the camera.

The players are not using the same angle on the table. There is no glares from the light.
there is no sunlight inside the court........ it is called glare. Maybe you saw some venue with glass roof... but trust me... French TT federation people are not amateurs.

So disappointed with your lack of understanding on lighting and camera angles. I thought you were some international umpire and have been to few events in person

It looks that way cos' the Cornilleau's 850 Wood's "Skiltop" finish is really matte, and it's actually grey according to Cornilleau, not black.

Better for the players as there will be NO reflection from the lights under the roof, but a bit confusing for the people watching this on screen like TV, Youtube and so on. I've played some tournaments with those tables, they are absolutely perfect for the eyes, in some tiny venues there are some windows under the roof and with the sun rising on mornings it can be confusing with other tables, but it is not with those ones.

Now that being said, it was also probably a bad batch from Cornilleau this year, many players have been complaining about the funky/sketchy rebounds, specially on the white middle line.

But it can also be players misconception as they never play those tables now: the french Pro A and B clubs are not sponsored by Cornilleau (nor Butterfly Hennebont excepted), it's mostly Tibhar, Donic (a lot, they've found a way to grab the market Butterfly threw away), Gewo, Andro. And as the WTT uses mostly DHS, and sometimes Tibhar, Stiga and Donic tables, Cornilleau tables can be seen in amateur french clubs only and the nationals.

 

[PoppaChubby]

on another matter,

doubles is actually bigger than any one, in these olympic formats, and the player needs to adapt.

In TPE vs JPN during the last Olympics, there was an incident in TPE camp, where the 3 players + head coach agreed that LYJ will play doubles + 1 single. Team manager was happy.

The other doubles player with play single, and the other player 2 singles.
They recon 2 singles off Harimoto is impossible, and singles off the other player is possible.
The only issue is, could they win the doubles to fight for the decider in the 5th match.

They agreed, but politics evolved during the evening when one of the players received a phone call from Taiwan and the next morning (the day of the QF), the decision was over turned.
This was not from team management politics, but player politics sadly.

So what happened was Taiwan lost 1-3 with a doubles lost. LYJ took the only point with a win over Harimoto.
This happened also with the team affected by this 11th hour phone call.

When I talk about this, people would think, but LYJ doesn't play much doubles, but he is still a very good doubles player


With doubles being key, and if all 3 players can't play doubles... this is a huge disadvantage to the team.

Exactly, Nathanael Molin is indeed very neutral and trusts the Bros mindset. Plus Gauzy has switched his mindset to serve the team as a double player (he was not before 2022) cos' he agreed it was better for Felix and played a lot with Pavade right after the Tokyo Olympics. Then gradually with Alexis, they even won the Zagreb WTT Contender beating the TPE pair in the quarters one month prior to the Olympics

The usual suspect for doubles, either team, men or mixed, was Manu Lebesson, being a powerful lefty helps, and he was not far from being a medalist in Tokyo and also won the ETTU Championships with Jianan Yuan in 2022. At the Paris Olympics it became clear Felix would never play the mixed doubles cos' he was the best chance to get a medal in the single events.
All these factors proved France was right. TPE could have been right to, it's always better to free your N1 player's mind from a busy schedule. Fact is France is... France, it is impossible for any other nation to understand how a one sided double pair (righty/righty here) can be ranked number 1. France is like, they do with whateva they have and adapt. Want a nuclear catobar aircraft carrier ? they can do it, it will be a tiny one, they won't put too much fighter jets as the americans do, but they can do it efficiently lol

EDIT: you're also right about China: WCQ should have been freed from the mixed doubles, I'm quite sure they could have won it with Ma Long + Wang Manyu, China has to much gap ahead from all other nations, the result is what we saw: WCQ out in single event, SYS lost the final. Now they favored FZD, and I'm glad they did it, but yeah, the women's final social media drama was a bit laughable when it came to the rest of the world hahaha

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It looks that way cos' the Cornilleau's 850 Wood's "Skiltop" finish is really matte, and it's actually grey according to Cornilleau, not black.

Better for the players as there will be NO reflection from the lights under the roof, but a bit confusing for the people watching this on screen like TV, Youtube and so on. I've played some tournaments with those tables, they are absolutely perfect for the eyes, in some tiny venues there are some windows under the roof and with the sun rising on mornings it can be confusing with other tables, but it is not with those ones.

Now that being said, it was also probably a bad batch from Cornilleau this year, many players have been complaining about the funky/sketchy rebounds, specially on the white middle line.

But it can also be players misconception as they never play those tables now: the french Pro A and B clubs are not sponsored by Cornilleau (nor Butterfly Hennebont excepted), it's mostly Tibhar, Donic (a lot, they've found a way to grab the market Butterfly threw away), Gewo, Andro. And as the WTT uses mostly DHS, and sometimes Tibhar, Stiga and Donic tables, Cornilleau tables can be seen in amateur french clubs only and the nationals.

I was referring to the angle where the camera will catch it, cameras catch a lot of things that are either too bright or too dark, but in reality, it is different on TV as per the actual playing area.

If he has sat there to officiate, he would know, but he probably just an couch umpire.

 

[NextLevel]

on another matter,

doubles is actually bigger than any one, in these olympic formats, and the player needs to adapt.

In TPE vs JPN during the last Olympics, there was an incident in TPE camp, where the 3 players + head coach agreed that LYJ will play doubles + 1 single. Team manager was happy.

The other doubles player with play single, and the other player 2 singles.
They recon 2 singles off Harimoto is impossible, and singles off the other player is possible.
The only issue is, could they win the doubles to fight for the decider in the 5th match.

They agreed, but politics evolved during the evening when one of the players received a phone call from Taiwan and the next morning (the day of the QF), the decision was over turned.
This was not from team management politics, but player politics sadly.

So what happened was Taiwan lost 1-3 with a doubles lost. LYJ took the only point with a win over Harimoto.
This happened also with the team affected by this 11th hour phone call.

When I talk about this, people would think, but LYJ doesn't play much doubles, but he is still a very good doubles player


With doubles being key, and if all 3 players can't play doubles... this is a huge disadvantage to the team.

Anything that doesn't give you flexibility is a disadvantage. Dima for example is not a great doubles player but he is a decently good doubles player. Same with Koki Niwa. My point is not that you shouldn't try to have a good doubles pairing, My point is that you want the three strongest players to go if they can legitimately beat opponents in singles because a win in singles counts as much as doubles. Alternative of course are relying more on win doubles and your ace wins two, which is reasonable as well.

 

[PoppaChubby]

This is my last word on the subject. You need strong players. Doubled, singles, a win is a win. If Coton or Poret overtake Gauzy in 1 or 2 years, it wil not be doubles that keeps them out. Gauzy us very strong but I think the youth are inspired. We will see.

I highly doubt Coton or Poret will be top 10 or even top 20 in 2028. France is also the 1st team sports nation in the world, it's a culture engrained since decades, that mindset is transposed into tennis with multiple Davis Cups won and table tennis. In 1991 Thierry Lecomte was out of everything possible, but Yannick Noah choose him because it was better for the team, here the video can be switched to english subs in the parameters

 

[NextLevel]

Looks like Alexis may injured his hand in a post match anger action after losing to Felix. Maybe he will learn something from that.

source of (mis)information:

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Not Thierry Lecomte but Henri Leconte…

What a genius and what a waste of talent !! Fortunately that he brought that 1991 Davis cup ! Incredible match…

 

[joshmak10]

I know about the Pavade upset, but I have not heard of the other French women playing in nationals like YJN, Lutz sisters, Zarif. What happened to them? Were they upsetted? Did they even participate?

 

[zeio]

Looks like Alexis may injured his hand in a post match anger action after losing to Felix. Maybe he will learn something from that.

source of (mis)information:

He posted a clip elaborating on it. Divergence again, though not entirely unexpected...

https://weibo.com/7360795486/PkoSU27y4
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视频大致内容机翻：大家好，我想为大家录制一个简短的视频。首先祝贺费利克斯获得法国冠军的称号。我认为我们的决赛很精彩，所以我很高兴能够和他一起进行这场精彩的比赛，祝贺fefe取得伟大的胜利，赢得你的第一个冠军。我必须直接和大家说，因为在这场比赛之后，我无法控制自己的情绪，在一时的愤怒中，我的手受伤了。事实就是这样，我非常后悔。我将需要离开球场一段时间并专心进行康复治疗，我将不会出席即将举行的比赛。这对我来说无疑会是个教训，我会尝试学习更好地管理自己的情绪，我希望这能帮助我变得更加强大。我想感谢你们这个周末对我的支持，我为我的举动感到抱歉，希望你们能够理解，并继续支持我度过即将到来的新挑战。我希望能尽快回来，和你们分享美好的经历，就像这周末在勒瓦卢瓦一起经历的那样。所以，非常感谢，很快再见面。

根据法国媒体报道艾利克斯·勒布伦将退出WTT冠军赛仁川站，WTT官网目前暂未进行更新。2025澳门世界杯报名网页已显示艾利克斯·勒布伦退赛。
(Alexis Lebrun withdraws from upcoming competitions due to injury
Loose translation: Hello everyone, I want to record a short video for everyone. First of all, congratulations to Felix for winning the title of French Champion. I think our final was wonderful, so I am very happy to have played this wonderful match with him, congratulations to fefe for a great victory and winning your first championship. I have to speak directly to everyone, because after this match, I couldn't control my emotions, and in a moment of anger, I injured my hand. This is the fact, and I regret it very much. I will need to leave the court for a while and concentrate on rehabilitation. I will not attend the upcoming competitions. This will undoubtedly be a lesson for me. I will try to learn to manage my emotions better, and I hope that this will help me become stronger. I want to thank you for your support this weekend. I am sorry for my behavior. I hope you can understand and continue to support me through the new challenges that are coming. I hope to be back soon and share with you the good experiences, just like this weekend in Levallois. So, thank you very much and see you soon.

According to French media reports, Alexis Lebrun will withdraw from the WTT Champions Incheon. The WTT official website has not yet been updated. The 2025 Macao World Cup registration page shows that Alexis Lebrun has withdrawn from the competition.)

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https://web.archive.org/web/2024012...6334565954&w=T5K3En8uct6W6HyYPS8aDDW0sWgTTUTT (10/24/2023 at 4:12pm)
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It appears Alexis has had a tendency/habit of getting injured. Hmm, that's very difficult to "fix".
https://olympics.com/en/video/lebrun-brothers-felix-alexis-france-obsession-table-tennis
https://olympics.com/en/news/felix-alexis-lebrun-teenage-french-brothers-table-tennis-paris-2024

 

[Dexarys]

I know about the Pavade upset, but I have not heard of the other French women playing in nationals like YJN, Lutz sisters, Zarif. What happened to them? Were they upsetted? Did they even participate?

Camille Lutz lost in quarter against Anaïs Salpin

Zarif lost in quarter too against Oceane Guisnel

Charlotte Lutz lost in round of 16 against Leana Hochart

Jian an didn't played

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

He posted a clip elaborating it. Divergence again, though not entirely unexpected...

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草莓牛奶特别甜
15小时前
来自 iPhone客户端
艾利克斯·勒布伦因伤退出近期比赛
视频大致内容机翻：大家好，我想为大家录制一个简短的视频。首先祝贺费利克斯获得法国冠军的称号。我认为我们的决赛很精彩，所以我很高兴能够和他一起进行这场精彩的比赛，祝贺fefe取得伟大的胜利，赢得你的第一个冠军。我必须直接和大家说，因为在这场比赛之后，我无法控制自己的情绪，在一时的愤怒中，我的手受伤了。事实就是这样，我非常后悔。我将需要离开球场一段时间并专心进行康复治疗，我将不会出席即将举行的比赛。这对我来说无疑会是个教训，我会尝试学习更好地管理自己的情绪，我希望这能帮助我变得更加强大。我想感谢你们这个周末对我的支持，我为我的举动感到抱歉，希望你们能够理解，并继续支持我度过即将到来的新挑战。我希望能尽快回来，和你们分享美好的经历，就像这周末在勒瓦卢瓦一起经历的那样。所以，非常感谢，很快再见面。

根据法国媒体报道艾利克斯·勒布伦将退出WTT冠军赛仁川站，WTT官网目前暂未进行更新。2025澳门世界杯报名网页已显示艾利克斯·勒布伦退赛。
(Alex Lebrun withdraws from upcoming competitions due to injury
Loose translation: Hello everyone, I want to record a short video for everyone. First of all, congratulations to Felix for winning the title of French Champion. I think our final was wonderful, so I am very happy to have played this wonderful match with him, congratulations to fefe for a great victory and winning your first championship. I have to speak directly to everyone, because after this match, I couldn't control my emotions, and in a moment of anger, I injured my hand. This is the fact, and I regret it very much. I will need to leave the court for a while and concentrate on rehabilitation. I will not attend the upcoming competitions. This will undoubtedly be a lesson for me. I will try to learn to manage my emotions better, and I hope that this will help me become stronger. I want to thank you for your support this weekend. I am sorry for my behavior. I hope you can understand and continue to support me through the new challenges that are coming. I hope to be back soon and share with you the good experiences, just like this weekend in Levallois. So, thank you very much and see you soon.

According to French media reports, Alexis Lebrun will withdraw from the WTT Champions Incheon. The WTT official website has not yet been updated. The 2025 Macao World Cup registration page has shown that Alexis Lebrun has withdrawn from the competition.)

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WTF !!!! so stupid !!!!
after match point he fell on the ground while Felix climbed on the table. at that moment he was smiling and then the bros hugged each other...

did he do later in the changing room ??? WTF ???

 

[Dexarys]

after match point he fell on the ground while Felix climbed on the table. at that moment he was smiling and then the bros hugged each other...

Just after this, before check hand with the 2nd empire