Had a forehand loop revelation

[brokenball]

basically, any extra motion after the ball has left the paddle doesn't affect the trajectory of the ball and the goal of any extra motion should be to get ready for the next stroke,

 

[iammaru]

Different ways of thinking can produce individual results in the body for each player. It's great to try and think about things from a new angle and experiment! So this way of thinking about the stroke could have unlocked a new feeling for you.

But for most players this is the completely disconnected, backwards way to approach the stroke. Your arm should swing because of the momentum from the unwinding weight throw in the hips and core, not on its own using shoulder and arm muscles then combined with a separate lower body motion.

Very well said!! I saw so many people doing the same thing. They seem to do everything needed, the arm swing is there, lower body motion and weight transfer are there, but they are so disconnected. IMO when you focus too much on your arm motion, the stroke will be stiff and less efficient. When you learn the basic FH topspin, just let the arm follow the body swing, shoulder and arm muscle do very little work, don’t try too hard for power but try to feel the movement flow and focus on consistency. At higher level you need to use more muscle to create power but only after you master the basic stroke.

 

[Dominikk85]

Here is a new FH video. I try to use the forearm snap more but I still have trouble relaxing while I hit, not sure why I'm always tense
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https://youtube.com/shorts/g7ZnzVy2ct8?feature=share

 

[Brs]

Wow, that may be the lowest-quality video ever uploaded. LOL, said with love. It's just really dark and your arm goes into the shadow of your body and disappears.

So this feedback is based on not being able to see you, take it fwiw.

It doesn't look like your elbow opens or closes at all. Or very little. So not a lot of forearm snap.

About the tension, maybe you are thinking about hitting the ball hard or putting a lot on it? I find this intention alone will make me tense up and completely defeats the objective of making a strong shot. It's the Backwards Rule in full effect.

 

[jk1980]

Here is a new FH video. I try to use the forearm snap more but I still have trouble relaxing while I hit, not sure why I'm always tense
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https://youtube.com/shorts/g7ZnzVy2ct8?feature=share

It looks like you are trying to execute a slow drive with different angle to make it topspin, but I think it does not work that way.

I am a beginner as well, but I made quite a good progress learning top spin, by not trying to hit the ball at all, but rather imagining an angled wall that is drawn by your racket movement plane that will make the ball bounce off it and gain spin.

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[Tony's Table Tennis]

Here is a new FH video. I try to use the forearm snap more but I still have trouble relaxing while I hit, not sure why I'm always tense
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https://youtube.com/shorts/g7ZnzVy2ct8?feature=share

Is that robot feeding underspin?

Here is one of Lin yunju's practice partner.

 

[Der_Echte]

Dominik is SHADOW Stroke practicing brs...

 

[Dominikk85]

Unfortunately the plates are in a semi closed room so it is kinda dark there. I try to get some lighting next time

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Unfortunately the plates are in a semi closed room so it is kinda dark there. I try to get some lighting next time

The issue is the camera is behind you and it is pointing directly into the Natural Light Source (the world outside your garage). In photography, they call that "BACKLIGHTING", which makes it so you can't see the subject that is between the camera and the light source.

To me, in the video, it looks like you are way way way way overthinking things.

Take the robot, make the time between balls much shorter so you have to reset and stroke 3-4 times faster and just go through as many balls as you can. If you are going fast enough (stroke, reset, stroke, reset, without all that time in between shots) you may stop thinking and start grooving the stroke. But in this video, I feel like I can see you trying to think about the mechanics so much that it is getting in the way of you performing the mechanics.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Take the robot, make the time between balls much shorter so you have to reset and stroke 3-4 times faster and just go through as many balls as you can. If you are going fast enough (stroke, reset, stroke, reset, without all that time in between shots) you may stop thinking and start grooving the stroke. But in this video, I feel like I can see you trying to think about the mechanics so much that it is getting in the way of you performing the mechanics.

+1
The robot feed looks abnormal, not sure if it is because it is super slow or what.

 

[Dominikk85]

The robot is 18 dollars from aliexpress, it doesn't have extra gears or spin variations.

Maybe I can get a second one so it feeds twice as quickly
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[Brs]

The robot is 18 dollars from aliexpress, it doesn't have extra gears or spin variations.

Maybe I can get a second one so it feeds twice as quickly
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You can solve the problem Carl is talking about with your mind and not have to change the robot. Don't try to control your body with thoughts. It doesn't work like that. Alternatively, try to control your breathing or heartbeat with conscious thoughts and see how messed up it gets.

**Please don't die during this experiment!**

The feed may be a little weird but that shouldn't matter much. If you relax and simply observe what your body does and what happens to the ball, without thinking about it.

 

[yoass]

Maybe that's just me, but once upon a time I found Brett Clarke's "forehand topspin like a boss" snippets very instructive — focused on the full body mechanics involved. A bear is used, as are golf clubs, but no animals were harmed. Brett Clarke Forehand Topspin Like a Boss

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The robot is 18 dollars from aliexpress, it doesn't have extra gears or spin variations.

Maybe I can get a second one so it feeds twice as quickly
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So is that the highest frequency of ball feed?

Is the robot on the table? it looks like a very high arc, maybe that is why it is causing a funny feed feeling, but our camera angle is on the floor.

Regarding the time issue, maybe you can hit one shot, follow with 1 or 2 more shadow hits (with that speed, maybe you can fit in 3), before going with that robot feed FH
that 1 or 2, I suggest to do BH shots etc.

The idea is your shots need to be continuous, if you wait for the ball, then many things could go wrong.

 

[Dominikk85]

I tried the tip with the shadow swing. I think it got a little better but I still have trouble relaxing the forearm and using it to create more spin

https://youtube.com/shorts/AnQoqC6JQ74?feature=share

 

[DaN3]

This vid by chance?

I watched the video, and I'm confused about something. He teaches that the swing goes from back to front naturally:

And then when he does it, his forearm does not bend upward, but it bends toward his left:


Can somebody clarify this? If our swing is from back to front, then why should the forearm move leftward?

In the case of a backhand, I know that it happens from back to front (or down to up), and if someone moves his forearm rightward, it would give the ball sidespin, so I'm wondering if our forearm in a forehand topspin moves leftward; instead of topspin, are we giving the ball sidespin?
If we can't fully generate the forehand topspin by a back-to-front swing, and there has to be some sideways movement of the forearm, I would like to know how I should know how much I should raise my elbow (in a horizontal direction across the body) right when I want to contact the ball.