How did you decide Chinese versus Tensor rubber on FH?

[achalwins94]

This is exactly why I get confused about why the YEO has so many fans - the blade was one of my first blades before I knew anything about blades in general, and ever since I discovered limba outer plies, I realized the blade was too hard. So when I see people raving about it, I get confused.

Yeah,it does have less dwell, but if you hit, then the results are very good. Meaning, if you can adjust the game more hitting in topspins, like, we do hybrid shots, mixture of brush and flat hit, if we do more of flat hit, then the blade works so good. Keeps the ball low and whatever opponent may play,if you hit it right, ball always stays on table. But if you like that your shots should be long arced,like in topspins, ball acts like spring, then there you need springy blade, i.e blade with dwell, which is limba outer ply. So far best limba outer ply blade I have used is Tibhar stratus power wood, and there is no doubt it is a great blade for loopers.

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[achalwins94]

Just about anything that wasn't anti. I can use many rubbers on BH and be comfortable. Middle of road speed with a premium on control seems to land me a few moar shots.

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Yes, that I agree with. But still,, want to know what you usually prefer. ( As I am on the same road,,,, use cheap and good quality ).
Your favourites please! I insist!

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[UpSideDownCarl]

This is exactly why I get confused about why the YEO has so many fans - the blade was one of my first blades before I knew anything about blades in general, and ever since I discovered limba outer plies, I realized the blade was too hard. So when I see people raving about it, I get confused.

I am definitely in the soft blade camp. I am in the Limba outer ply camp. I just like how that feels. You get a better feeling of wood, more dwell time, more spin, more control, and more than enough pop. I hit with a YEO once and did not like it at all. Fore me, harder in that way does not feel good.

Hey,did you used to use h3 neo on yeo? I have the same set up, though not getting much time to play. So, do you suggest h3neo or skyline 3 neo on yeo ? Since I have both the rubbers,so interested in knowing.

I am not sure if you missed it, but he did say:

I guess I do not know the nuance well enough, but this combo has click very fast with me. Much easier to lift and attack third ball. It feels like the ball stays on the paddle a lot longer than YEO with the Chinese rubber. I can not explain it but the rubber is not tacky, yet the spin seems to be better since I can make the ball bounce earlier on the table. It just seems easier to use this blade and rubber for me at least.

And:

Have to say a big thank you again to Carl. I have finally beaten one of the better players close to my level (he play 1400) multiple times since switching to Tibhar and Vega Pro rubber. A few reason why.

Every shot is easier.FH push is a lot easier for me. Backhand chop is even more heavy. I loop a lot more and have no fear it going long, so I have more confidence to go for the shot. My blocks just go over when I want with no extra pushing needed.

I truly amazed at how many loop i can hit in a row now compared to before. I can go from one corner to the other. I played close to table for angled blocks and medium distance back for counter loop when needed and both styles working for me.

This Vega pro rubber is the real deal for me. VERY easy to use coming from the chinese rubber. The Tensor (rhyzm) I use in past was not nearly this easy for me to control. Maybe because I switch to 2.0 both sides, I don't know. But the soft feel of the blade and the great play of the rubber has become a winner for me.

So I start this thread with question on chinese rubber and find out for myself that I prefer a bit slower tensor over the chinese rubber for my game.

So, even though he did answer and give you information about DHS rubbers on a YEO, if you can read between the lines, he also said that the Tibhar Stratus Power Wood with Xiom Vega Pro (FH) and Xiom Vega Europe (BH) is working WAY BETTER FOR HIM than the YEO with Chinese rubbers ever did.

Worth knowing.

@SpinWins: Glad you got a setup that is helping you feel more solid and controlled while playing.

 

[achalwins94]

Yeah Carl, I missed some of his comments!

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[UpSideDownCarl]

Yeah Carl, I missed some of his comments!

All good. I feel like extra information is always useful.

How do you like your setup with MLEO and H3 Neo? How does it work for you? What does it help you do well? What would you like to be able to be able to do better with it? How is looping? How much spin do you feel you can generate? How is the short game?

 

[achalwins94]

All good. I feel like extra information is always useful.

How do you like your setup with MLEO and H3 Neo? How does it work for you? What does it help you do well? What would you like to be able to be able to do better with it? How is looping? How much spin do you feel you can generate? How is the short game?

Its like 2 gears. When I play slow,the rubber plays,tackiness. When I make power loops, the blade's power makes the ball go like boom, but I have been able to keep the ball on table most of the times as the tackiness plays and ymleo has low throw, in short it has woeked out in this department.
Now about counter loops. Yes, this improves significantly, because I used carbon blade before, which was like wall.
When it comes about slow loops,or the loop which we do at low to nedium powers, it seemed ineffective, or loss to me instead, were easily counter attacked by my opponents. Haven't got much time to play, will play it fully after 15 december,,due to exams.
Service and feeling, this blade is good to me. Also handle is comfortable, only the head shape is compact.
I also have dhs pg7 with skyline 3 neo on forehand. Will try that after exams. I hope yeo and h3 neo works out for me in tournaments!
Edit :
Short game,little less control,specially in backhand chops, i need to take care that ball doesn't go out, as the trajectory may get long then what I require. But the ball can be put fast in chops,cuts.
Also flicks are tricky but doable, timing needs to be perfect.
Tell me if if I missed any points @carl. Also if you are interested in this blade, then tell me, I will review this blade in depth, atleast for one whole week. Then my second set for other week. This way, I can compare in depth between walnut outer ply and limba outer ply.

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[SpinWins]

This is exactly why I get confused about why the YEO has so many fans - the blade was one of my first blades before I knew anything about blades in general, and ever since I discovered limba outer plies, I realized the blade was too hard. So when I see people raving about it, I get confused.

I think because when you get the YEO, the speed of the rebound off the blade is very nice. It makes a noticeable difference, but over time I come to realize that I was looping less consistent and the feel for the ball was not very good.

 

[NextLevel]

I think because when you get the YEO, the speed of the rebound off the blade is very nice. It makes a noticeable difference, but over time I come to realize that I was looping less consistent and the feel for the ball was not very good.

That's my point exactly. Many people who rave about it don't know what they should be looking for in a blade for their level!

 

[NextLevel]

Its like 2 gears. When I play slow,the rubber plays,tackiness. When I make power loops, the blade's power makes the ball go like boom, but I have been able to keep the ball on table most of the times as the tackiness plays and ymleo has low throw, in short it has woeked out in this department.
Now about counter loops. Yes, this improves significantly, because I used carbon blade before, which was like wall.
When it comes about slow loops,or the loop which we do at low to nedium powers, it seemed ineffective, or loss to me instead, were easily counter attacked by my opponents. Haven't got much time to play, will play it fully after 15 december,,due to exams.
Service and feeling, this blade is good to me. Also handle is comfortable, only the head shape is compact.
I also have dhs pg7 with skyline 3 neo on forehand. Will try that after exams. I hope yeo and h3 neo works out for me in tournaments!
Edit :
Short game,little less control,specially in backhand chops, i need to take care that ball doesn't go out, as the trajectory may get long then what I require. But the ball can be put fast in chops,cuts.
Also flicks are tricky but doable, timing needs to be perfect.
Tell me if if I missed any points @carl. Also if you are interested in this blade, then tell me, I will review this blade in depth, atleast for one whole week. Then my second set for other week. This way, I can compare in depth between walnut outer ply and limba outer ply.

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A lot of this tells me that you might do better with an even slower blade, but let's not dwell on it for now.

 

[achalwins94]

A lot of this tells me that you might do better with an even slower blade, but let's not dwell on it for now.

Lol,when I started playing, I had similar thoughts. But since I have got this blade, I want to stick to it. It feels so good at hitting power shots. Its a good blade overall if your ability to play is good, which I am going to work on it.
If it doesn't work out, then I have my spare set up, Dhs Pg7. But hope yeo works out in tournaments.

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[UpSideDownCarl]

I have to agree with NextLevel. A blade that feels good when you blast the ball but isn't consistent on looping and is hard to use in short game is good for one thing that doesn't happen too often in games unless you are able to get past the first 3-5 balls.

Your overall level would go up and you would learn the skills for short game and looping with more spin if you used an all wood 5 ply All+/Off- blade:

Get one of these and give the blade 2 months minimum and your level will go up:

Tibhar Stratus Power Wood
Yasaka Sweden Extra
Stiga Allround Evolution
Nittaku Acoustic
OSP Virtuoso

Hey.....wait.....that list looks familiar! But the truth is, based on what you have said, one of those blades will actually help you improve your technique and your level will ultimately go up. But you would have to play with it for a while to get used to the blade.


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[SpinWins]

I agree with this list. Today I took a 1500 player to deuce at game 5 before losing. It is the best I have ever done against him. I was able to out chop him and loop shots that I normally would not have tried to. He said my spin was heavier and it give him a lot of problems.

This is only after 1 week. Excited to see what happen after two months.

 

[NextLevel]

Lol,when I started playing, I had similar thoughts. But since I have got this blade, I want to stick to it. It feels so good at hitting power shots. Its a good blade overall if your ability to play is good, which I am going to work on it.
If it doesn't work out, then I have my spare set up, Dhs Pg7. But hope yeo works out in tournaments.

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While I don't want to sound like it, I have heard this story a thousand times ( 30 of those times may have been from me ) and the ending is almost never good for those who refuse to listen. The key to getting better in table tennis is not speed but control and the easiest way to build control is through spin and the second easiest is through touch and both are easier with softer and slower blades.

I had my best rating performance ever in a tournament with an All round blade (Appelgren AR Exclusive). My best match performances ever have been with Donic Baracuda, which is considered a slower spinny offensive rubber.

I understand the desire to play with fun fast blades, but don't confuse that with improving. It's really weird but every time I go to a slower blade or set up these days, even if I don't stick with it, I feel confident enough to try something and take it back to my faster blade.

I am not a beginner either - I am usually somewhere in between 1950 and 2100 USATT. Slower blades make it easier to do everything except make the ball go faster. And below USATT 2000 (more likely 2400), making the ball go faster is highly overrated compared to control. I just lack the knees to full prove it but I know a blocker who had proved it multiple times against looping juniors.

The PG7 is also far too stiff and fast. I used to think it was a good blade. It might be, but it is harder to get good enough to use it by using it. Sounds crazy but it is true.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Yep. I agree. And I have tried the PG7. I think it felt kind of blocky. Definitely not a good blade for feel and touch.

 

[Shuki]

It seems you guys like limba more than a koto because of how soft/flexible limba is. why not white ash as a bit more soft and flexible than even limba?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

It seems you guys like limba more than a koto because of how soft/flexible limba is. why not white ash as a bit more soft and flexible than even limba?

White Ash is fine. Not too many blades with White Ash. But the Nittaku Violin is a good blade. So, yeah, White Ash is good. I know I love the feel of Limba. But there are other woods that are good too.

 

[bobpuls]

From where you get the info that white ash is softer? From my knowledge the white ash is two times harder then limba.. But anyway.... I will test it.... Im currently building white ash top ply ... So we will see. But just from the gluing i see it will not be true..... Koto i find very interesting and dynamic.

 

[achalwins94]

Ah! My friend did suggested me tibhar stratus power wood, who had played nationals.
He himself uses stiga tube aluminium, not so fast. Maybe I chose a little fast blade! That's so frustrating as I bought two bats, both of them you all guys are saying are too fast for me.
That's really awful for me.
Let's see how it turns out after I play for 1 month with these bats.
But the rubbers are slow,not that fast, lkt rapid speed on backhand dhs h3neo on forehand.
I will apply my best effort that I can give justice to these high level blades lol!

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[achalwins94]

Yep. I agree. And I have tried the PG7. I think it felt kind of blocky. Definitely not a good blade for feel and touch.

Blocky? Can you explain in detail? Because the thing is, I used a stiff blade before,,, joola carbon. So maybe I could work out since I know you love limba outer and 5 ply.

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[NextLevel]

It seems you guys like limba more than a koto because of how soft/flexible limba is. why not white ash as a bit more soft and flexible than even limba?

I'm not so much about the material as to whether the blade responds to your touch. Some people do pretty well with koto - I am just not one of them. The problems with a fast blade are many, but in addition to promoting the wrong type of feeling, think about what a beginner needs. He needs to feel confident looping the ball and then have enough time to reset when the ball gets blocked back to him. If the ball is flying off the beginner's racket and coming back to him quickly, the beginner doesn't get to learn to rally. But if the ball comes off the beginner's racket slowly, then the beginner has time to rest and get ready for the next shot. Sometimes, players focus too much on how much time they are giving their opponent and too little on how much time they are giving themselves when they play a shot if that shot comes back. Of course, Ma Long is so good that he can focus almost exclusively on how much time he is giving the opponent and use a fast blade. But NextLevel also needs to figure out how much time NL need to recover and NL is not a pure beginner. Yet beginners want to learn to drive with Ferraris.