I TESTED MA LONG’S ACTUAL TABLE TENNIS BAT!

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yinhe did sustained the rumours that China national team changed to the Dry Boosting instead of oil compounds, Ma Long included. This is to say he is planning to participate ttw events till 2026 at least.
 
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I also agree that the pros' rubbers have much higher hardness than the market versions, because we don't have the techniques for it.

Heming Hu said so himself on this forum, that his sponsored H3 39.5degrees are as hard as the 41degrees on the market.

answering @khongbietgiainen: Even Heming Hu boost the heck out of his H3, WCQ too, so Ma Long is very likely to boost his 42degrees H3 (in Dan's video he said Ma Long's H3 is much softer than he thought)

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Also don’t forget, pro boosts heavily because they can afford to play a brand new $100 H3 every few days.

For me I boosts gently so my H3 can last 🤣🤣
 
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yinhe did sustained the rumours that China national team changed to the Dry Boosting instead of oil compounds, Ma Long included. This is to say he is planning to participate ttw events till 2026 at least.

What is dry boosting?
 
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I also agree that the pros' rubbers have much higher hardness than the market versions, because we don't have the techniques for it.

Heming Hu said so himself on this forum, that his sponsored H3 39.5degrees are as hard as the 41degrees on the market.

answering @khongbietgiainen: Even Heming Hu boost the heck out of his H3, WCQ too, so Ma Long is very likely to boost his 42degrees H3 (in Dan's video he said Ma Long's H3 is much softer than he thought)

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I don't know. Zhang Jike did say his rubber is harder than what is commercially available, but he never said his 39 degree is harder than our 41 degree.

So, whose words should I take here? 2x Olympian Heming Hu or 2x Olympian Zhang Jike?
 
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I don't know. Zhang Jike did say his rubber is harder than what is commercially available, but he never said his 39 degree is harder than our 41 degree.

So, whose words should I take here? 2x Olympian Heming Hu or 2x Olympian Zhang Jike?
Yeah, but he also never stated the opposite or that they are equally hard, whereas Heming clearly stated that their 39 degree pro H3s are a lot tougher than commercial 39 degree H3s and he has no reason to lie so I believe him
 
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His main advantage is that he gets to select what he likes (if he doesn't like what it does, he doesn't have to pay to change it, and they send him quite a few) while we just take what we buy. But the point is that there is nothing special about the manufacturing tolerances vs what we get. Obviously we might enjoy what he uses. But that is because he is a good chooser not because the blade is specially manufactured.
The blades are specially manufactured though in some cases. I know of pros who can and do get specific thicknesses and handle shapes to their preference which aren't the same as the market version, and allegedly there are certain batches of wood that they suspect are going to be more to the pros liking.

I am not sure obviously if ZJK ever chose to utilize that customization and, if he did, if he is allowed to speak about it publicly. I guess he claims he didn't...
 
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I don't know. Zhang Jike did say his rubber is harder than what is commercially available, but he never said his 39 degree is harder than our 41 degree.

So, whose words should I take here? 2x Olympian Heming Hu or 2x Olympian Zhang Jike?
I mean, Heming Hu's sponsored H3s are harder than on the market, so there's a reason to believe CNT players' H3s are too
 
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The blades are specially manufactured though in some cases. I know of pros who can and do get specific thicknesses and handle shapes to their preference which aren't the same as the market version, and allegedly there are certain batches of wood that they suspect are going to be more to the pros liking.

I am not sure obviously if ZJK ever chose to utilize that customization and, if he did, if he is allowed to speak about it publicly. I guess he claims he didn't...
I dont think we are seriously disagreeing. Customization of a design of a blade for a specific player (and even rubber) can be and usually is a long back and forth process. Usually the biggest things are to get a certain speed of blade and a specific handle design with a specific vibration/feeling. This is especially true when a blade is not already in the market. So when you hear a player is using a custom blade, something like this is what usually happens. Most of the time, the manufacturers like Butterfly already have decent quality supply chains for all their materials so you don't really get that much difference in quality of wood. It is more about getting to a design that that satisfies the player. Also, the player has preferences which can change over time so it is quite possible that after using equipment for a while (and most pros have multiple blades), they decide they need something slightly different. Eventually they settle on something. The main point here is that you can build a great blade and pro might not like it. Or might want subtle changes to it. Handle design and head size are usually the biggest things and then ply choices sometimes to get to a certain speed/vibration. But the idea that the blades has some magical properties because of the wood chosen, good luck with that. That can feel good to a player or not so good to another player.

However for pros using an existing commercial model, it is more of a get a few and select the ones you like and return the rest. Here it is often about the pros ability to select a good blade and far less about the magical properties of a blade specially manufactured for the pro. May the tolerances around the blade be tighter? Yes, weights and sounds may be tested before sharing. But most of the magic comes from the tester and selection.
 
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The blades are specially manufactured though in some cases. I know of pros who can and do get specific thicknesses and handle shapes to their preference which aren't the same as the market version, and allegedly there are certain batches of wood that they suspect are going to be more to the pros liking.

I am not sure obviously if ZJK ever chose to utilize that customization and, if he did, if he is allowed to speak about it publicly. I guess he claims he didn't..
I watched the ZJK video about blades and believe some of what he says, but when he pretended not to have ever heard of fishscale on blades I couldn't take him seriously. He's not allowed to say a lot of things most likely.
 

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I watched the ZJK video about blades and believe some of what he says, but when he pretended not to have ever heard of fishscale on blades I couldn't take him seriously. He's not allowed to say a lot of things most likely.
why you think that? before i entered the forum i never hear about fishscale, too! don't get me wrong, i knew how it looks since i play koto blades most of my life but always thought that would be a defect or bad quality. so basically i also chose blades that are 'clean' and without fishscale when i went into a shop to buy a new blade and can imagine the same from zjk.

another thing about the hurricane:
i don't understand the whole thing about the rubber must be harder for pros or whatever and different topsheet and so... aren't you choose the rubber and hardness for YOU?! if you don't like the topsheet then just buy a different rubber with better topsheet. if your rubber is too soft, then just buy the harder version of that rubber. especially with hurricane you can have a thousand different version of that rubber with hardnesses way beyond mortal abilities, so why think about what rubber a pro is playing when you just can find a rubber that suits you and your game? if you like it it doesn't matter if a pro likes something different. isn't this the whole fun about tabletennis that everybody has a different game and therefore different material?
 
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I watched the ZJK video about blades and believe some of what he says, but when he pretended not to have ever heard of fishscale on blades I couldn't take him seriously. He's not allowed to say a lot of things most likely.
He was obviously being comedic, but his point was that it doesn't do anything for him. Even the whole thing was more like a skit.
 
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I guess. Hes a weird guy. Maybe I just don't trust him cuz of everything he did. Idk
Obviously he has character issues. But he knows his table tennis. And even as an EJ, I tend to find a lot of stuff about blades outside of rebound and vibration/sound to be extremely silly. But whatever makes money tends to find fools who believe it.
 
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Would be interesting if Dan could describe how "soft" he feels this rubber to be. When he says it feels softer than he thought.
Is it like a Tenergy 05 softness or is it dignics09c "soft"?
Also comparing how the backhand rubber feels, if it's the same grippiness or so :)

Also does the ma long blade have the same composition as the Harimoto Innerforce? With Limba on the outside?
 
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Would be interesting if Dan could describe how "soft" he feels this rubber to be. When he says it feels softer than he thought.
Is it like a Tenergy 05 softness or is it dignics09c "soft"?
Also comparing how the backhand rubber feels, if it's the same grippiness or so :)

Also does the ma long blade have the same composition as the Harimoto Innerforce? With Limba on the outside?
Assumingly with "softer" he means just not as hard as its almost 55-60° wich it actually is supposed to have (42° Dhs scale if I remember correctly).
The backhand would be interesting aswell, that is true.

And for the outer ply, yes it should be limba.
 
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Assumingly with "softer" he means just not as hard as its almost 55-60° wich it actually is supposed to have (42° Dhs scale if I remember correctly).
The backhand would be interesting aswell, that is true.

And for the outer ply, yes it should be limba.

The "softness" feel comes in two folds:
  1. The pro's DHS rubbers are of the highest quality, their 42° feels softer than 41° of provincial H3.
  2. Pro boosts rubbers like crazy, further soften their H3
 
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