ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025, 4/14-20

[mnt]

Idk, when you think you're about to beat the Chinese, you're just 1 point from victory, somehow they still come back from the death, and somehow you still lose. Anton yesterday and Duda today. What is it? Is it about skill? Is it about mentality? Or is it about the home crowd?

 

[Robin0910]

Funny thing is, even without doing anything after the serve if he requested a ttr serve check for verticality regardless of the type of serve the odds would’ve been in favour of Duda judging by the controversy behind WCQ’s serves.

 

[JackJohnson]

Funny thing is, even without doing anything if he requested a ttr serve check for verticality regardless of the type of serve the odds would’ve been in favour of Duda.

Why can’t Duda challenge the serve even if he misses the return?

 

[Robin0910]

Why can’t Duda challenge the serve even if he misses the return?

Cause then the system would be abused by the players at such situations. It would stall matches even more and create controversy.
I believe it’s good as it is now until the system can check the serves automatically in hindsight or better yet immediately like in badminton.
Or they really should just ease on the rules and allow steeper angles up to 45-50 degrees.

 

[Robin0910]

Idk, when you think you're about to beat the Chinese, you're just 1 point from victory, somehow they still come back from the death, and somehow you still lose. Anton yesterday and Duda today. What is it? Is it about skill? Is it about mentality? Or is it about the home crowd?

On average, top Chinese have a high probability to win deciding games. Also, home crowd helps a ton. Just watch the match between Harimoto and LSD at WTT Fukuoka or F Lebrun vs LSD at WTT Montepieller.

 

[JackJohnson]

Cause then the system would be abused by the players at such situations. It would stall matches even more and create controversy.
I believe it’s good as it is now until the system can check the serves automatically in hindsight or better yet immediately like in badminton.
Or they really should just ease on the rules and allow steeper angles up to 45-50 degrees.

I agree automatic is better but don’t the players get 2 reviews each. If technology and camera angles available I don’t see a problem with reviewing it as long as they didn’t lose their reviews. It still a fair system as both players get 2 reviews each and if they wrong they lose the review.

 

[NextLevel]

well, that serve throw angle was a lot more than 30 degrees but it is what it is. I want to see any of you looking for a faulty serve instead of receiving it well at such a crucial situation, especially such a fast serve

That's why I said his coach did him wrong. That is the coach's job, to tell the player what to do in between points. He speaks German so he didn't even have to do it in English.

 

[Robin0910]

I agree automatic is better but don’t the players get 2 reviews each. If technology and camera angles available I don’t see a problem with reviewing it as long as they didn’t lose their reviews. It still a fair system as both players get 2 reviews each and if they wrong they lose the review.

If he had signalled that before touching the ball then there’d have been no problem with that but doing it after a fully committed receive which you dumped into the net would make him look very unashamed and it’d deemed sportsmanship, especially winning this way. (It’s not like WCQ’s serve screamed sportsmanship but you know what I mean).
That’s why it’d create a lot of controversy and would always be abused at such crucial situations because people would think it’s worth a try even if they saw the contact point.

 

[NextLevel]

Looks like Bruna's improved form is showing here, the match like the Duda match looks winnable.

 

[NextLevel]

If he had signalled that before touching the ball then there’d have been no problem with that but doing it after a fully committed receive which you dumped into the net would make him look very unashamed and it’d deemed sportsmanship, especially winning this way. (It’s not like WCQ’s serve screamed sportsmanship but you know what I mean).
That’s why it’d create a lot of controversy and would always be abused at such crucial situations because people would think it’s worth a try even if they saw the contact point.

You lose the point if the serve is legal. It is not a risk less challenge. You make it sound like one.

 

[v100ev]

If he had signalled that before touching the ball then there’d have been no problem with that but doing it after a fully committed receive which you dumped into the net would make him look very unashamed and it’d deemed sportsmanship, especially winning this way. (It’s not like WCQ’s serve screamed sportsmanship but you know what I mean).
That’s why it’d create a lot of controversy and would always be abused at such crucial situations because people would think it’s worth a try even if they saw the contact point.

Imagine the coach yellin to Duda before WCQs serve at 9:10 in very clear English (so that WCQ undestands) : "Challenge his serve". And WCQ would be under more pressure 🤣

 

[Robin0910]

That's why I said his coach did him wrong. That is the coach's job, to tell the player what to do in between points. He speaks German so he didn't even have to do it in English.

Oh, so you mean right after WCQ touched the ball? I guess he could’ve done that but in case the serve wasn’t deemed illegal he would’ve personally made Duda lose that crucial point. Winning in the traditional way is harder but creates no controversies and doesn’t disturb the players

 

[Robin0910]

You lose the point if the serve is legal. It is not a risk less challenge. You make it sound like one.

It’s not riskless but there are very few players whose serves’ angle is lower than 30 degrees so based on that the pros outweigh the risks by a ton. And by that I don’t mean the very illegal 40+ degree serves but even a 31 degree serve is illegal where it’s rare not to be able to see the contact point.
And if you miss the serve anyway, losing the point because the server’s serve was actually legal is in the same ballpark

 

[zeio]

说真的，最后没什么可怪杜达的 (To be honest, Duda is not to blame at the very end)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9652628843
雨果（重塑道心版） 鹰眼放的并不是选手视角，但凡稍偏一点可能就挑战失败了，关键时刻杜达选择相信自己很正常
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端1楼2025-04-18 14:19回复
(TTR is not the player's perspective. If it is slightly off, the challenge may fail. It is normal for Duda to choose to believe in himself at the critical moment)

金娜英（涨球版） 是的
IP属地:江苏来自手机贴吧3楼2025-04-18 14:20回复
(Yes)

湛醨 要投诉的话不能接球，而且投诉的话主动权完全交给对方了，打到决胜局赛点精神高度紧张的时候，人都会选择相信自己的，没那个精力兼顾判断遮不遮要不要投诉与接发球了
IP属地:陕西来自Android客户端5楼2025-04-18 14:29回复
(If you want to complain, you can't receive the ball. If you complain, the initiative is completely handed over to the opponent. When it comes to the match point in the decider, people will choose to believe in themselves. They don't have the energy to consider whether it's hidden, complain or not, and receive the serve)

黑羽OAO 点了，我也觉得是这样，万一没成功影响的反而是自己，不能抱侥幸心理
IP属地:四川来自Android客户端6楼2025-04-18 14:32回复
(I think so too. If it wasn't successful, it would've affected him. Don't rely on luck.)

√破c 但是骰子那个球本来就是急长，反应时间很短。
完全可以说下意识打了球，然后投诉
IP属地:美国8楼2025-04-18 14:34回复
(But that ball by Dice was fast and long, so the reaction time was very short.
It's within reason for him to hit the ball subconsciously and then complain)

遮不是荣耀 挑战斜抛最稳妥，机器算的角度没法作弊，遮挡给你换个角度回放就不遮了
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端9楼2025-04-18 14:39回复
(The most reliable way is to challenge the non-vertical toss, as there is no way to cheat when using the angle calculated by the machine. For hidden serves, replaying from a different angle and they become non-hidden)

 

[SFF_lib]

Idk, when you think you're about to beat the Chinese, you're just 1 point from victory, somehow they still come back from the death, and somehow you still lose. Anton yesterday and Duda today. What is it? Is it about skill? Is it about mentality? Or is it about the home crowd?

The home crowd helped a lot. Thousands of girls fans cheering for you vs none for Duda.

 

[SFF_lib]

Can someone explain the system that allows players to challenge the server? When can they do it and what’s the maximum per match?

Was Duda just too nice to challenge WCQ? He could’ve won at 10-9 leading in the last set

 

[zeio]

Can someone explain the system that allows players to challenge the server? When can they do it and what’s the maximum per match?

Was Duda just too nice to challenge WCQ? He could’ve won at 10-9 leading in the last set

In principle, a player can't request TTR unless the umpire has made a call.

https://wttwebcmsprod.blob.core.win...TT_Series & Feeder_Handbook_2025_20250227.pdf
7. TABLE TENNIS REVIEW (TTR)
Table Tennis Review (TTR) gives players the right to review a decision made by an umpire, which they
believe is incorrect. With the help of highly accurate technology, it will be possible to have a point replayed
instantly and reviewed by a TTR Match Official, who will have the final decision for the review in question.

...

B. Principles & Rules
...
• Players/pairs do not have the right to request TTR in case an umpire has not called a fault service or
not awarded a point to the opponent.
...
• Players/pairs can only request TTR, in a timely manner, immediately following the call
(announcement of decision) by the umpire.

 

[blahness]

Can someone explain the system that allows players to challenge the server? When can they do it and what’s the maximum per match?

Was Duda just too nice to challenge WCQ? He could’ve won at 10-9 leading in the last set

He should have challenged unless he was out of challenges....

 

[JackJohnson]

He should have challenged unless he was out of challenges....

Agree with this. As long as it within a reasonable time e.g. 15 seconds. Should have been allowed to review. Doesn’t matter if umpire hasn’t faulted service or not awarded point to opponent if he still has reviews available then let him review.

 

[blahness]

Agree with this. As long as it within a reasonable time e.g. 15 seconds. Should have been allowed to review. Doesn’t matter if umpire hasn’t faulted service or not awarded point to opponent if he still has reviews available then let him review.

Yes, just make a fuss if it is not allowed etc... would have been worth a try. You would never win by playing nice all the time.

Sometimes you gotta be nasty lol