JTTA: Selection System to be Revamped for Paris 2024

[zeio]

Makes sense if you think about who won the most matches pre-final and who brought the team back online after that horrifying loss against Kaufmann, but I'm not sure Hirano could have delivered the same shot quality that Miwa brought in the final. She was the reason Japan had a shot at taking the first and even third point in that tie.

G1 Hirano 7:1 SYS already proved otherwise. Had SYS insisted on going mano a mano on BH like she did at WTT CT Zagreb 2023, she could've very well lost. As Murakami told in the interview, the point lead in WD and Hirano's singles was likely due to the surprise lineup (I doubt it but the actual match-up is always different from simulations as CNT/JNT players say) and that had Hayata/Harimoto taken the WD, Hirano and Harimoto could've come closer to victory. And as he noted, shot quality is a double-edged sword especially when things get tight.

If you ask me, it was their departure from rigidity and in turn hierarchy, only and ironically as a result of Hayata's injury (which I warned after WTTC 2022) that got them a shot at making the CNT sweat. Hayata could take a page from Harimoto back at Tokyo 2020 who actually told Kurashima to put him in MD against SWE. The insistence on playing 2 singles, when even she didn't prepare for SYS at WTTC 2024, would only be detrimental to their odds of winning.

 

[zeio]

早田在底下叫得比平野欢 (Hayata is rooting happily even more than Hirano)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9125297684?pid=150749737483&cid=0#150749737483
lokitianqilu 今天女双真得感谢早田，纯纯的漏勺
美和状态太夸张了
IP属地:澳大利亚来自iPhone客户端2楼2024-08-10 22:33回复
I really got to thank Hayata for today's WD, literally a colander
Miwa's condition is too shocking

早田受伤了，女团会不会受影响！ (Hayata being injured, would the WT be affected!?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9114471405?pid=150703751728&cid=0#150703751728
Zexowhy 早田伤的太重了，平野还行，我建议启动P卡，平野属于状态型选手，4-6局的发挥还是很好的，我觉得团体可以重用平野打一单，美和和木原组女双，说不定有奇效。平野后面几局的状态有休斯敦打陈梦时候的感觉。
IP属地:澳大利亚来自Android客户端3楼2024-08-02 22:51回复
Hayata is too badly injured, Hirano is OK, I recommend activating the P card, Hirano is a condition-based player, her performance in G4 to G6 was still very good, I think for WT they can make great use of Hirano as 1st singles player, with Miwa and Kihara playing WD, maybe it will have a miraculous effect. Hirano's condition in the last few games felt like when playing against CM in Houston.

日本女团可能变阵，拼死拿下女双第一分 (Japan's women's team may change their lineup and fight hard to win the first point in WD)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9093281015
酷酷酷 日本教练组在中国队定死阵容的情况拼死拿下女双，那有可能早田美和女双，平野一单，或者P卡启动，国乒要重点练习女双了。
Given the CNT has a fixed lineup, Japan's coaching team may try their best to win the WD. It is possible that Hayata/Miwa will play doubles and Hirano will play two singles, or the P card may be activated. The CNT should focus on practicing WD.

平野应该要被日乒换下团体了 (It looks like Hirano might be replaced by JNT)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9048296919
诸葛蓉儿 换毛线啊，平野疯起来对国乒是有一定威胁的，木原，张本这俩人跟平野相比较，还差的远。
IP属地:四川来自Android客户端9楼2024-06-11 16:03回复

狂徒张三 平野团体单打打顺了是有机会能拿1分的，木原有这个实力吗？难道双打张本木原一定能赢梦鱼？
IP属地:北京22楼2024-06-14 16:53回复

月半木又寸 换早田比换平野好。
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端25楼2024-06-15 23:22回复

巴黎日本女队最该小心的可能是平野 (Hirano is the one on Japan's women's team for Paris that we should be most vigilant of)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8901838767
nwnu1979 最近看世乒赛，突然感觉好久没见平野和中国队交手了，去年的亚运会和混团世界杯，日本和中国比赛时平野都没有出场。自从亚运会后一站公开赛，平野赢了莎莎后，就基本没有和中国队的主力交手过，感觉是在刻意回避啊。现在日本队的奥运名单已经出来了，我觉得最大的变数就是平野。美和应该会打双打，不可能让美和打第一主力，上两场单打，平野和美和配双打，我觉得不太合适，两个人都是右手，都是在近台抢速度，况且之前美和在双打中一直都是在近台抢速度，哪怕和生胶打法的木原美悠配双打，站位也是美和在前，木原在后。如果美和和平野配双打，平野站位靠后，她那个身高恐怕难以有什么发挥。而美和和早田配双打，从左右手的配置，技术风格上，还是很搭配的。那么很有可能日本出其不意，让平野打第一主力。平野进步挺大的，打疯了，也不好对付。当然，莎莎输平野那次，是有点较劲了，非要和平野硬怼反手，结果被平野站着不动，借力打力。不管怎么说，中国女队不能把注意力都放到美和和早田身上。毕竟这两年赢了中国队三大主力之一的人，只有平野。
IP属地:甘肃1楼2024-02-19 17:35回复

大波波驴（更衣室恶女 平野和除石川以外的人女双效果都一般，她还不如美和木原和谁都能配。日乒是喜欢一号主力打一单，左手也一样，其实可以试试早田美和女双拼一分，平野一单。
IP属地:河北来自iPhone客户端3楼2024-02-19 18:13回复

Back from XTWC 2023
日本队的排兵布阵
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8779460394
大波波驴（更衣室恶女 苹果盒不上混双很好，放账本出来发疯，不过女单应该上平野神经刀，女双上早田美和。
现在强度已经很大了，感谢没有放平野出来刀一把。
IP属地:河北来自iPhone客户端1楼2023-12-09 21:18回复

 

[zeio]

Kurashima's comment on Harimoto 3-4 FZD.

https://mobile.x.com/yosukekurashima/status/1819066533701918962

張本3-4樊振東（中国🇨🇳）
男子の究極の高速卓球対決だったと思う。張本は樊振東に対し中国選手の中ではボールが合う方だと昔話していた。（もちろん異次元の強さがあり勝ち負けとかを抜きにして）ただ劉国良会長も樊振東が若い時から中国が生んだ超天才だと話していた。ここ最近の国際大会では樊振東は元気がなかったのだか、ワンチューチンが敗退したこのトーナメント。中国の威信をかけても負けられない状況で、劣勢にも落ち着いた戦術転換で最後勝ち切るあたりはさすが。素晴らしい試合だった。ただ日本にとっては平野に続きフルゲームでの敗戦で悔しさは残るが、同時に感動を与えてくれた。団体戦では必ずやメダルを獲得してくれると信じている。
1.2ゲーム。張本のライジングバックハンドが無双状態。台との距離感、ミドル処理も完璧だった。3ゲーム目予想通り樊振東がYGサービスに変えてきた。いつもこのYGで流れを変えられ、そのままやられてしまうこともあったが、今回は、1ゲームは落としたが、4ゲーム目にはYGサービスに対してチキータ→カウンターボールを→ダブルカウンターで得点。もしくは強いチキータで得点し、樊振東にパターンを長く作らせなかった。5ゲーム目YGをやめ、低い縦回転系にし、チキータさせないサービスで台上勝負に。しかし、張本の方がストップ対ストップからの展開で上回った。6ゲーム目ストップ対ストップで劣勢と思うや、縦回転に横上を混ぜてきて台上を崩しにくる。樊振東は強引にフォアサイドに持っていこうとしたり、張本のストップをチキータにいきミスが多かった。これは張本のバックハンドのプレッシャーがあるからこそ。7ゲーム目、樊振東がストップからの勝負を避け、張本のバックへ深くツッツキを多用。持ち上げてきたボールを狙いにきた。最後緊張する場面で先に打たせるのは非常に怖いが、それをしなければ勝てないと判断したと思う。樊振東は後半少し距離を取りラリーをしていたのも前陣勝負は張本に厳しいといったところか。本当に1ゲーム目から戦術を中国側が劣勢になればすぐに変え、張本が対応する形が続いた。見応えある素晴らしい試合なのは間違いないが。悔し過ぎる。
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前JP男乒主教点评樊振东张本智和的比赛，别再说樊振东球商低了…
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9120506643

 

[zeio]

The WS bronze is being used as an excuse to cover up Hayata's failure in achieving her lofty goals in the other events, particularly the XD.

As 5ch users share in their comments, Hayata's injury has caused a lot of trouble for the team. That is the Japanese culture - never cause trouble for others. Harimoto's comment after 0-3 Kaufmann is a prime example.

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1723035308
0074 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:36:04.35
スレの流れ
１　実況は平野を褒めろよ
２　実況は早田のことばかり

日本の応援よりも平野をもっと持ち上げてくれ
という流れ
IDIYMcZhB(3/20)
Thread flow
1. The commentators should praise Hirano
2. The commentators are all about Hayata

Rather than cheering for Japan, they should praise Hirano more
That's the flow

0093 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:39:10.98
よく取り切った！ないすー！
早田負傷中のところ、平野頑張ったやん！！
平野、左と組めば最強説あるなw
ダブルスやりたくないんだろうけど。
ID:Fcv0U/Pa(4/35)
You did well to win! Nice!
Hirano did a great job while Hayata was injured!!
Hirano would be the strongest if teamed up with a lefty player lol
She probably didn't want to play doubles though.

0097 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:40:53.09
>>77
しかし中国ダブルスにはしっかり弱点突かれて負けるだろうし
シングルスは早田はほぼ勝てないだろう。
木原の方がよかったと思うが、まあ今さらどうもならんな。
白髪は早田が出ると言ったら服従するだけだ。
1 ID:ebhqfy/4(3/3)
But the CNT doubles will likely exploit their weaknesses and they will lose
And Hayata will have no chance of winning in singles.
I think Kihara would have been better, but oh well now.
White Hair will just submit if Hayata says she wants to play.

0099 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:41:16.23
張本は最後にカウフマンと戦ったの4年前だからどうなるかな
ID:XzqO0L6o(12/48)
Harimoto last played Kaufmann 4 years ago, so I wonder what will happen

0105 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:43:17.57
バトラとアクラに勝ってるのは凄い成長だよな
ID:XzqO0L6o(13/48)
Beating Batra and Akura is a great sign of growth.

0120 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:46:59.53
今大会は早田で全く問題ない
次回大会から団体戦メンバーの決定権は監督に与えるべき
柔道やフェンシングのように
といってもまあ無理だろうけど
1 ID:lRVIlAFC(2/26)
There's absolutely no problem with Hayata in this tournament
From the next tournament onwards, the coach should be given the power to decide who will be in the team matches
Like in judo and fencing
Although that's probably not possible

0123 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:47:47.78
中国戦は3番平野じゃなくて早田がいいかな
ID:rS/W0EVo(11/30)
Would Hayata be better than Hirano at number 3 for the China match?

0124 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:48:03.41
張芋、今大会初めて苦戦中だな。。。
ID:Fcv0U/Pa(6/35)
Harimoto is strugging for the first time in this tournament

0126 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:48:42.36
台上がまだ甘いけどこりゃ強くなる
去年平野と戦った時より経験積んだって感じか
ID:XzqO0L6o(14/48)
The short game is still loose, but this will become stronger
I feel like she [Kaufmann] has gained more experience since playing Hirano last year [at WTTC 2023]

0128 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:48:50.90
早田、敗退したらお前のわがままのせいだぞ
1 ID:em1XEb01(2/6)
Hayata, if we lose, it'll be your own selfishness that's the problem

0129 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:49:14.76
>>120
監督が自由に3人選んでいいという制度でもこの3人を選んだ可能性はかなりある
今の日本の最強の3人だから
ID:Y33fMFX3(10/37)
Even if the manager was free to choose 3 players, there is a good chance he would have chosen these 3
because they are the # strongest players in Japan right now

0134 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:49:56.41
アジア人、中国人ばっか相手にしててそれ以外の卓球に対して経験不足なんじゃねぇの？男子も含めて
1 ID:GhcgQKmR(1/4)
Maybe they only play against Asians and Chinese and don't have enough experience with other types of table tennis? Including men's

0144 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:52:15.68
スレの流れ
１　試合で押されてくると早田の起用を疑問視する書き込み
２　早田のわがままで団体メンバーに早田が入っているという印象操作

とにかく負けそうになったら早田のせいにする流れ
1 IDIYMcZhB(8/20)
Thread flow
1. Posts questioning use of Hayata when they are being pushed back in matches
2. Manipulating the impression that Hayata is a team member because of her selfishness

Anyway, if they are to lose, blame Hayata

0149 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:53:03.38
やはり張本は早田、平野、伊藤より弱いです
些細なミスが多くて安心して見れません
ID:cIq8VjiN(3/12)
As expected, Harimoto is weaker than Hayata, Hirano, and Ito
She makes a lot of small mistakes so I can't watch with ease

0191 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:58:17.43
早田まで回ったら終わる
ID:em1XEb01(4/6)
It's over once it gets to Hayata

0228 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:01:35.01
まさか昨日の試合で美和ちゃんまで壊されていたとは…
ID:lRVIlAFC(8/26)
I can't believe that even Miwa-chan was destroyed in yesterday's match...

0229 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:01:44.92
平野みたいにシングルス2点するほどの信頼性はできない、張本は経験値が浅くてまだ不安
早田が一番良いがスペ体質で2点使えない

こんなときドイツみたいな相手は伊藤が得意なんだよな。特に異質多いし、カウフマンも強いけど逆チキや異質には強くないから有利。なんなら木原でも良いかもしれん
まぁ中国見据えるなら張本>伊藤ではあるが
1 ID:bNQtyFTx(2/9)
I can't trust her enough to score 2 points in singles like Hirano, and Harimoto is still a bit uneasing because she doesn't have much experience
Hayata is the best, but she has a special body type and can't be used for 2 points

At times like this, Ito is good against opponents like Germany. There are a lot of combination players, and Kaufmann is strong, but she's not good against strawberry or combination players, so Ito has an advantage. In fact, Kihara might be good too
Still, if you're looking at China, Harimoto > Ito

0238 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:02:35.06
伊藤も１６歳の時やらかしたよな
ID:ZOvBLd+7(10/19)
Ito also messed up when she was 16

0256 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:05:29.20
つぎ平野か
1 ID:MB448pAm(11/52)
Hirano next?

0266 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:07:07.16
張本家にとって悪夢の五輪になったな
ID:kZzBHIBQ(1/2)
It's been a nightmare Olympics for the Harimoto family

0267 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:07:09.53
>>256
場慣れしている平野が流れを変えてくれるよ
ID:Y33fMFX3(18/37)
Hirano, who is used to the situation, will be able to change the flow

0286 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:08:26.47
ハリケーン平野を見たとき以来の衝撃
ID:2JDq8WnH(6/6)
The biggest shock since I saw Hurricane Hirano

0291 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:08:44.07
実力では平野だろうけど平野もプレッシャーに弱いからな
美和のあとを引きずるかも知れない
1 ID:32/nWC8d(5/15)
In terms of ability, it's probably Hirano, but Hirano is weak under pressure too
She might follow in Miwa's footsteps

0293 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:09:00.11
過大評価張本
ID:teMbhJaX(2/2)
Harimoto is overrated

0299 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:09:53.23
平野が負けたら敗退も覚悟しないと😨
ID:cIq8VjiN(8/12)
If Hirano loses, we have to prepare for defeat, too

0300 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:09:54.14
ハリケーン行け
ID:MB448pAm(13/52)
Go, Hurricane!

0301 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:10:04.06
団体戦の平野ってそんな頼りない？
2 ID:a0wEuk5H(4/8)
Is Hirano really that unreliable in team matches?

0307 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:10:58.99
団体戦で中国以外の選手に負けたのって久しぶりかな
ID:32/nWC8d(6/15)
It's been a while since the last loss to a player other than China in WT

0310 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:11:23.72
早田がカウフマンに負けるわけないだろww
1 ID:Fcv0U/Pa(13/35)
There is no way Hayata would lose to Kaufmann LOL LOL

0311 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:11:40.88
平野は東京のけいけんがある
ID:MB448pAm(14/52)
It may sound surprising, but Hirano is very reliable

0313 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:12:00.72
カウフマンは相当強い。
早田と同じ利き腕だからバック対決になる。早田厳しいかも。
ID:g4IIwCx5
Kaufman is very strong.
Having the same dominant hand as Hayata, so it will be a BH-to-BH showdown. Hayata might have a tough time.

0318 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:12:26.59
>>301
五輪団体戦は中国以外に負けたことがない
ID:ERQtcmI9(1/2)
Hirano has never lost to anyone other than China in the Olympic team event

0322 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:13:17.11
だから伊藤にしときゃ良かったのよ
ごんなゴリ押し雑魚ウンコ虫が何で代表なのよ
ID:qouzD3Ox
That's why Ito should have been chosen
Why is that pushy small fry dung bettle the representative?

0326 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:14:01.83
ゆうて伊藤美誠もコンディション不良やったしな
ID:e9YCDUs2(11/29)
Ito Mima was also in poor condition

0388 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:25:05.12
平野が頼もしく見える
誰かが誰かをカバーする
これが団体戦だよな
ID:lRVIlAFC(13/26)
Hirano looks reliable
Someone covers for someone else
This is a team match

0397 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:26:35.39
ひな対カウフマン見たくなってきたw
3 ID:IkWTtNCF(7/24)
Now I want to see Hina vs Kaufmann LOL

0426 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:31:48.84
>>397
早田が万全だったら観たいけど今回はフルボッコされる予感しかしない
ID:Mv8EP8Bg(5/14)
I'd like to watch it if Hayata is in perfect condition, but I have a feeling she'll get totally beaten this time

0523 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:47:12.77
怪我の早田がカウフマンに勝てるわけないし敗退か
お疲れ様でした
ID:QlZvOcKN(11/17)
There's no way an injured Hayata can beat Kaufmann, so she's out
Thank you for your hard work

0556 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:51:28.82
むしろ銅メダルで選考会見直しなるならそれはそれでアリ

男子も張本任せで、気の弱い他2匹に銀メダルあげるとか、変に自分達の実力と勘違いされても困るからスウェーデンに負けて良かったまである
1 ID:V6+CgZnQ(2/4)
Rather than that, if the bronze medal results in a review of the selection process, that'd be fine

It was fantastic that the men's team lost to Sweden, since they left it up to Harimoto and put the silver medal in the hands of the other two weak-willed players, and it would be a problem if they were mistaken about their own abilities

0573 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:53:18.78
負傷の早田であのカウフマンに勝つのは現実的でない
実質この美和で決まるな
ID:Mv8EP8Bg(8/14)
It's unrealistic for an injured Hayata to beat Kaufmann
It's going to be decided by Miwa

0583 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:54:25.40
チャイナの帰化人vsチャイナの帰化人

本国で勝ち上がれなかった故に国籍利用した人達の戦い…なにを見せられてるんだ…
1 ID:bNQtyFTx(5/9)
Naturalized Chinese vs. Naturalized Chinese

A battle between people who used their nationality because they couldn't win in their home country... What are we being shown?

0746 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 05:13:02.72
早田の位置、多分木原でも銀メダル取れたな…いや森さくらでも長崎でもいけたわ
早田からしたらダブルスでただけで銀メダルだもんな
「リザーブの気持ちは痛いほど分かってる」「私はどうなってもいい」ってコメントしてるのに、ちゃんと銀メダルは死守するの言葉と行動ともなってなくて好き
2 ID:bNQtyFTx(7/9)
In Hayata's position, Kihara probably could have won the silver medal... No, Mori Sakura or Nagasaki could have done it
From Hayata's perspective, just playing doubles was enough to get the silver medal
She commented, "I understand the reserve's feelings all too well," and "I don't care what happens to me," but she didn't back it up with words and actions that said she would do her best to defend the silver medal, which I like

0763 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 05:16:00.82
早田は銀メダルと言いきってしまいそうになって慌てて銀メダル以上と言い直したな
ID:VYa2cQoJ(2/3)
Hayata almost said silver medal, but then quickly corrected and said more than a silver medal [A reference to WTTC 2021 where she told reporters that she was satisifed with a silver medal in WD/XD and the subsequent public backlash]

0929 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 13:51:16.89
>>925
平野母は金メダルが取れるのは美宇しかいないと言ってたので、それを狙える実力があったと思うが？違うのか？
伊藤の印象は人それぞれだから置いといて実績があるのはやはり大きいな。
北朝鮮にやられなければ早田も伊藤と同じ実績を残せたのに残念だ。
ID:sk65axCP(16/31)
Hirano's mother said that Miu was the only one who could win the gold medal, so I think she had the ability to aim for it? Or was she wrong?
Everyone has a different impression of Ito, so setting that aside, it's still important that she has a track record.
It's a shame that Hayata couldn't have achieved the same results as Ito if she hadn't been defeated by North Korea.

0931 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 13:55:37.15
>>930
どちらかというと平野のベスト8より五輪の第二シード獲得に向けて頑張ってた混合1回戦敗退の方が失敗じゃね？がむしゃらに国際大会に出てたのがデータを与えすぎて裏目に出た。
ID:NnWN96N1(9/20)
If anything, rather than Hirano's QF finish, isn't it more of a failure that Hayata lost in the 1st round of the XD, for which she tried hard to get the 2nd seed of the Olympics? Her reckless participation in international tournaments backfired, as she gave away too much data.

 

[NextLevel]

I don't think many people disagree with the lineup. In fact, it's what many including myself have been asking for after Japan screwed themselves over with poor selection systems and by the book lineups for years. The execution just wasn't there when it mattered the most.

We are always reminded that the JNT is not a team in the same sense that the CNT are a team. One of the primary justifications for wanting a Harimoto- Hayata pairing was the belief that Hirano gave them the best chance for two singles wins. Look how that turned out. Of course, we will get the excuse that Sun Yingsha would have collapsed with a JNT lead when she virtually never does. And almost always wins 3-0

People should be far more specific about what they want to see than keeping the ball on the table. It's not like Hayata and Harimoto were the favorites. I am never a fan of serving long but many of the criticisms are based on unhappiness with the results rather than specific tactics about how such points are generally handled under pressure based on the flow of the current and prior matches. They tried a surprise lineup which massively outperformed their expectations and now it bites them in the behind because they supposedly don't know how to keep the ball on the table.

 

[NextLevel]

0931 名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2024/08/09(金) 13:55:37.15
>>930
どちらかというと平野のベスト8より五輪の第二シード獲得に向けて頑張ってた混合1回戦敗退の方が失敗じゃね？がむしゃらに国際大会に出てたのがデータを与えすぎて裏目に出た。
ID:NnWN96N1(9/20)
If anything, rather than Hirano's QF finish, isn't it more of a failure that Hayata lost in the 1st round of the XD, for which she tried hard to get the 2nd seed of the Olympics? Her reckless participation in international tournaments backfired, as she gave away too much data.

Now I see that the creativity in attacking Hayata is not just a zeio skill, but a Tieba/5ch zeio quotes mindset.

 

[zeio]

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Now I see that the creativity in attacking Hayata is not just a zeio skill, but a Tieba/5ch zeio quotes mindset.

precisely

 

[zeio]

スレ立てるほどでもない大会・海外卓球　女子238
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1723182698/
0149名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 07:19:28.43ID:5KOme9kh
ハヤタと美宇は、負けたら即引退。

２０年強化費用を食べて生きてきた。今回負けるなら未来永劫勝利はなし！

若い美和たち後進に道をゆずるのだっ
If Hayata and Miu lose, then retire immediately.

They have been living off training subsidies for 20 years. If they lose this time, they will never win again!

Give way to Miwa and the rest of them, the younger generation.

0151名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 07:22:41.41ID:6ztZwYN9
今回の五輪で日本の全球技の中で銀メダル以上が確定してるのは卓球女子だけ
そこに関しては誇ってもいいと思う
In this Olympics, the only ball sport in which Japan has been guaranteed a silver medal or better is women's table tennis
I think we can be proud of that

0152名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 07:25:28.89ID:5KOme9kh
銀メダルは現状維持である。


おれたちは５０年待った。もう待てぬ。
The silver medal remains the status quo.

We've waited 50 years. We can't wait any longer.

0166名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 09:10:19.13ID:baIbXiGR
今日は、早田か平野をシングルスに2回出す作戦はある？
Any plan to field Hayata or Hirano in 2 singles today?

0167名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 09:12:02.97ID:J1o1x5/N
>>166
多分ないかな、3試合目を平野から早田にする可能性はあるかも
Probably not, but there's a chance they'll replace Hirano with Hayata for match 3

0176名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 10:55:27.63ID:5KOme9kh
出陣の前に美宇に送ることば

■生きてるだけで金メダル！


美和におくることば

■勝つと思うな思えばまけよ～♪


ハヤタに贈る言葉

■死ね！死んでこい！！

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しつもん。正確な放送時間がわかりません
Message for Miu before going out to battle

■Just being alive is a gold medal!

Message for Miwa

■Never think you'll win, if you do, you'll lose~♪

Message for Hayata

■Die! Go die!!

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Question. I don't know the exact broadcast time

0220名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 13:34:41.03ID:lzUPeNQ5
必死で平野下げしている人は伊藤がいなくても決勝いったことが悔しいのかな
I wonder if the people who are desperately trying to downplay Hirano are frustrated that they made it to the final even without Ito

0225名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 14:20:21.88ID:+vr2Dh1n
>>220
伊藤がいないから金とれないのが悔しいのかな
I guess they're frustrated that Ito isn't here so they can't win gold

0230名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 14:28:07.61ID:6TpX2jAZ
>>220
なんでそんなに伊藤を意識してんの？
平野がシングルスのメダルとれなかったのがそんなに悔しいの？
Why are you so conscious of Ito?

Are you so upset that Hirano didn't win a singles medal?

0253名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 15:54:20.10ID:NFQgTcvR
ダブルス早田張本、エース枠平野で奇襲かける度胸が監督にあるかどうか
Does the coach have the guts to make a surprise attack with doubles Hayata/Harimoto and ace Hirano?

0257名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 16:07:08.31ID:zOtr5IBw
チャイナがんばれ！
Go, China!

0258名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 16:07:32.18ID:zOtr5IBw
ニッポンまけろ！
Lose, Japan!

0264名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 16:25:45.03ID:xZwzbo09
正直なところ孫穎莎と早田ひなは見飽きたので他の組み合わせがいい
To be honest, I'm tired of seeing SYS and Hayata Hina, so I prefer other match-ups

0427名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 19:24:16.10ID:R5jdk4l+
女子が金取る可能性は10％以下と思うし
男子日本のほうが可能性は高かったんだろな
ただ銀以上の可能性は圧倒的に女子のほうが上だから注目される
今回は日本を脅かすかも知れないフランスとインドが敗退したから
日本は楽に決勝まで進めてラッキーだった
I think the chances of the women winning gold are less than 10%
Japan's men had a better chance
However, the women have an overwhelmingly higher chance of winning silver or better, so they're attracting attention
This time, France and India, who could have threatened Japan, were defeated
Japan was lucky to easily advance to the final

0428名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 19:26:42.17ID:J1o1x5/N
中国に勝つ可能性があるけどメダルを取れる保証はない男子

中国に勝つ可能性はほぼないけど銀メダルは取れる女子

どっちがいいんだろうか...
Men have a chance of beating China, but there's no guarantee they can win a medal

Women have almost no chance of beating China, but they can win a silver medal

Which one is better...

0429名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 19:27:23.95ID:FMi5QEzb
どんなに特集しても、金の可能性はほぼほぼ0なんだから
馬鹿馬鹿しいｗｗ

最低でも銀、最高でも銀。
No matter how much they spin it in the feature program, the chances of gold are almost zero
Dum-dum LOL LOL

At the very least it's silver, at the very most it's silver also

0438名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 19:54:29.81ID:gubjThFG
>.>427
これがニワカですｗ

ダブルスで奇跡的に勝てれば平野が1勝するので可能性はあるよ
ただ確率で表すのはバカ過ぎる
ダブルスで勝つ
これが絶対条件
This is a bandwagon fan lol

If they miraculously win in doubles, Hirano will win 1 match, so there is a possibility
But expressing it in terms of probability is too stupid
Winning in doubles
This is an absolute requirement

0440名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 19:58:07.23ID:Xvo4c40i
>中国に勝つ可能性があるけどメダルを取れる保証はない男子

中国に勝つ可能性あるのは張本のみで、実際世界卓球も張本以外が1点も取れなかったことで負けました。戸上篠塚は中国に勝ったことすらなく、そもそも中国以外にも勝てません。
よって男子が中国に勝つ可能性はありません。ポテンシャルあるのは張本のみです
>中国に勝つ可能性はほぼないけど銀メダルは取れる女子

世界卓球で中国から2点とったのは平野早田の2人で、男子のように1人のみに依存していない
さらに張本妹も陳夢を良いところまで追い詰めておりポテンシャルはある

また過去実績をみても陳夢には早田が勝利、孫には平野が勝利、ワンイーディーにいたっては早田平野張本木原が勝利している

そのため男子より何倍も勝つ確率が高い。事実を捻じ曲げないように
んで、パリ女子団体で日本が中国に勝てるかって？
もちろんスト負け。ストレート負けです。
>Men have a chance of beating China, but there is no guarantee they can win a medal

Only Harimoto has a chance of beating China, and in fact, they lost the WTTC because no one other than Harimoto could score a single point. Togami and Shinozuka have never even beaten China, and in the first place, they can't beat anyone other than China.

Therefore, there is no chance for the men's team to beat China. Only Harimoto has potential
>Women have almost no chance of beating China, but they can win the silver medal

At the WTTC, it was Hirano and Hayata who scored two points against China, so they are not dependent on just one person like the men's team

Furthermore, Harimoto's sister also pushed CM to a good place, so she has potential

Also, looking at past results, Hayata won against CM, Hirano won against Sun, and Hayata, Hirano, Harimoto, and Kihara won against WYD

Therefore, the chances of winning are many times higher than for men. Don't distort the facts, and so, can Japan beat China in the Paris in WT?
Of course, they'll lose in straight sets. They'll lose in straight sets.

0465名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 20:51:23.38ID:r+IiClDI
覚醒美宇に期待して2本使うかあるいはお注射ひなに2本託すか若い美和の爆発力に期待するか
Should I allocate 2 points hoping for an awakened Miu, or should I entrust 2 points to Injection Hina, or should I hope for the explosive power of young Miwa?

0475名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 21:17:40.34ID:J1o1x5/N
早田/美和vs陳夢/マンユ
平野vs孫
美和vs王曼ユ
早田vs孫
平野vs陳夢

ここにきてオーダー変えてきた！！！！
Hayata/Miwa vs CM/Manyu
Hirano vs Sun
Miwa vs WMY
Hayata vs Sun
Hirano vs CM

They've changed the order here!!!

0478名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 21:21:44.92ID:fGtzijmk
やっぱりダメ元でハリケーンに賭けたか
After all, they're betting on low-odds-but-worth-a-try Hurricane?

0518名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 21:43:30.97ID:G72Gv33r
スペ持ち早田大いに反省しろ
エースと言い張るなら万全な状態で出ろよ

混合のために直前までWTT出たくせに初戦敗退というコスパの悪さ

肝心の女子団体ではずっと序列最下位扱いのダブルス要因でしかないのに、
「私はどうなっても良い」「リザーブの気持ちは痛いほどわかる」とか言ってるくせに木原に譲ることは一切しない、発言と行動に一貫性ない強欲さでちゃっかり銀メダル

伊藤はちゃんと混合・シングルス・団体に出て、さらに混合も最後まで出てるから超絶過密日程。
深夜まで続いた混合の次の日の早朝にシングルス出てんだからな！
それで怪我せず、金銀銅メダルを卓球界に貢献

伊藤がインスタでメッセージ送っても一切反応せず、赤江木原とか後輩のみしかタグ付けしてないのも知ってるからな
Hayata, who has a supe body type (injury-prone physique), should reflect on her actions
If she insists on being an ace, she should compete in perfect condition

She participated in the WTT until the last minute for the XD, but lost in the first round, which is a poor cost-performance ratio

For the most crucial WT, she has always been a doubles factor that was treated with the lowest priority,
but she says things like "I don't care what happens" and "I understand the feelings of the reserve all too well," but she never gives in to Kihara, and her greed is inconsistent with her words and actions, sneakily winning the silver medal

Ito participated in the XD, WS, and WT, and even played in the XD until the end, so she had an extremely busy schedule
She participated in the WS early in the morning the day after the XD that lasted until late at night!
That's why she didn't get injured and contributed to the table tennis world by winning gold, silver and bronze medals

FWIW, Ito doesn't respond to her messages on Instagram, and only tags Akae, Kihara and her juniors

0525名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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>>518
赤江木原は早田をタグ付けしてたけど伊藤はしてなかった
Akae and Kihara tagged Hayata but Ito didn't

0530名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 21:49:42.66ID:gubjThFG
本気で金メダル取りに行くには平野しかない
俺の言う通りだってことがわかったかな？

わかったかな？
Hirano is the only one who is serious about going for the gold medal
What I said was right, you get it?

Do you get it?

0531名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 21:50:14.32ID:Z8woxXAe
平野2本使いは評価出来る
対中国は1番可能性あるからな
美宇でダメならダメ
Using Hirano for 2 points is commendable
Because she has the most potential against China
If Miu doesn't work, then it's no good

0536名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 21:51:30.55ID:UoqBbIyB
平野の覚醒に賭けたのか！
Betting on the awakened Hirano!

0661名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:10:40.90ID:iDhGZCQ5
いつも置物みたいな白髪監督は今日は良いオーダーを考えやがったな
孫に唯一勝ってる平野を第2試合でぶつけるにはこのオーダーしかないもんな
まあでも何をやっても3連敗で終了なのはほぼ確定だろうけど…
Coach White Hair, who is usually a figurehead, came up with a good lineup today
This is the only lineup they can make use of Hirano, who is the only one to beat Sun, in match 2
Well, no matter what they do, it's almost certain that they'll end up with 3 straight losses...

0711名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:13:47.47ID:0pMjuCt5
早田美和ペアにした渡辺さん最高😀
Hayata/Miwa pair with Watanabe-san is the best

0714名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:13:55.67ID:vNY3TAH4
白髪は伝説の監督へ、、、
White Hair is becoming the legendary coach

0720名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:14:57.01ID:F1poYJFT
渡辺監督は優秀だよ
世卓の采配も冴えてたしな
Coach Watanabe is outstanding
His leadership at WTTC was also excellent

0723名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:15:29.17ID:F1poYJFT
早田調子いいな
Hayata is in good shape

0724名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:15:29.82ID:UbFd3JHa
早田の怪我ってブラフだろ
Hayata's injury was a bluff

0725名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:15:41.61ID:LJJC11BO
どこかの男子監督とは大違いやなw
Way different from a certain men's coach LOL

0732名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:16:25.15ID:MI8jDGzm
>>720
でも選手にはアドバイスしないね
But he doesn't give advice to the players

0737名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:17:07.52ID:Xvo4c40i
怪我持ちがいるせいでバックハンド全てミス
バックの代わりにフォアに変えても、球が浮くから強打打たれて、張本が取れない。結果張本がミスしたみたいになる

怪我持ちいい加減にしろ
But because of the injury, all BH were missed
Even if she changed to FH instead of BH, the ball floated and was hit hard, and Harimoto couldn't catch it. As a result, it looks like Harimoto made a mistake

Stop being so injury-prone

0739名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:17:29.82ID:aSJHmlfE
早田の怪我アピール鬱陶しいかったから今回は負けてほしい
Hayata's injury appeal is annoying, so I hope she loses this time

0746名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:18:10.27ID:uJHgGYgI
張本のドライブ
回転量多いんだな
Harimoto's drive
is really spinny

0751名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:18:29.10ID:RoQDhUGM
美和すごいな
Miwa is amazing

0755名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:18:47.55ID:LJJC11BO
早田の怪我は、やってんのか？！どうなの？！w
Hayata's injury, really?! How?! LOL

0823名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:24:37.28ID:Xvo4c40i
木原張本でダブルス1位の中国ペアに勝ってるのに、
怪我持ちの球浮きバックハンドじゃ勝てるわけないねぇ
Kihara/Harimoto beat the No. 1 CNT pair in doubles,
but there's no way they can win with an injured floating BH

0843名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:27:23.81ID:iDhGZCQ5
もし早田が左腕を負傷してなくても今日と同じオーダーだったのかは気になる
I wonder if the order would have been the same as today if Hayata hadn't injured her left arm

0852名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:27:41.48ID:m6tUkcHZ
早田が全然だめだな
Hayata is no good at all

0861名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:28:21.11ID:Xvo4c40i
ちなみに怪我持ちのバックハンドで10失点はしてます
なんで出たん？
By the way, she dropped 10 points because of her injured BH
Why did she come out?

0880名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:29:28.75ID:4yUTh4ax
張本調子いい
Harimoto is in good shape

0881名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:29:31.76ID:RoQDhUGM
美和のバックストレートいい
Miwa's BH parallel is good

0882名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:29:35.52ID:ZIWFtUpf
張本のバック素晴らしい
Harimoto's BH is amazing

 

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0900名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:30:23.84ID:uJHgGYgI
張本すげええ
Harimoto is amazing

0905名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:30:28.41ID:/6UdXc3i
美和覚醒してんだろ
Miwa has awakened

0920名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:31:04.99ID:m6tUkcHZ
張本覚醒したか
Has Harimoto awakened?

0943名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:31:47.88ID:FMi5QEzb
美和のストレート、効いてます
Miwa's parallel, very effective

0945名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:31:49.39ID:6xNPTSkL
張本なんて集中力だ！
いいコンビだね
Such concentration from Harimoto!
They make a great pair

0946名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:31:52.13ID:vZ9nesN7
美和覚醒しとる
Miwa has awakened

0953名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:32:30.36ID:xu1QMRuC
最高だわ
勝っちゃうかも。
美和が日本のレベル一つ上げたな！
This is awesome
They might win.
Miwa has raised Japan to another level!

0967名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:34:30.19ID:5L4/P3id
早田はチャイラバなのにパチンフリックできねえよの？
Hayata uses Chinese-rubber yet can't do pachinko (slingshot) flicks?

0975名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:35:17.05ID:dxUTf4SC
やっぱり百戦錬磨中国
It's the battle-hardened China after all

0994名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:37:20.98ID:Xvo4c40i
どうせ負けんだから、
お前ら早田のバックハンドのミスでも数えてろ

えげつないぞ
They're going to lose anyway,
so just count Hayata's BH misses

Lousy

0030名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:40:04.11ID:ZIWFtUpf
最終セットの中国の強さは異常だからここ取らないとヤバい
China's strength in the final game is insane, so if we don't take this, we'll be in trouble

0036名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:40:41.07ID:vZ9nesN7
早田のミスが多いな
Hayata missed a lot

0040名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:41:00.15ID:W7r5oapV
ダブルス勝たないともう
残り4試合で3勝なんて無理ゲー
If we don't win the doubles
it's impossible to win 3 of the remaining 4 matches

0089名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:44:24.84ID:FMi5QEzb
早田ミス大杉
木原だったらなあ
Hayata Miss Osugi
I wish it was Kihara

0090名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:44:27.25ID:LJJC11BO
早田さん怪我してんだから、中国は手加減しろやwwww
Hayata-san is injured, so China should go easy on her LOL

0094名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:44:42.90ID:hYZLACYa
いいよ
張本良い
Good
Harimoto is good

0097名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:45:05.89ID:nAMqLi7n
張本がほんと良いな
マンユ戦も期待出来る
Harimoto is really good
I'm looking forward to the fight against Manyu

0100名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:45:26.22ID:hYZLACYa
マンユの回転量多いんだな
Manyu has a lot of rotations

0103名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:45:45.73ID:UoqBbIyB
張本のドライブいい
Harimoto's drive is great

0109名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:46:03.73ID6V/6BIY
16歳張本が全く穴になっていない
スゴイ
16-year-old Harimoto has no loophole at all
Amazing

0119名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:46:34.86ID:hYZLACYa
やっぱり
マンユの回転量多い
As expected
Manyu has a lot of rotations

0142名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:48:37.93ID:yjVG7L95
早田が怪我してミスが多いから美和が決めないと勝てない
この二人組ませたのが間違ってる
Hayata is injured and makes a lot of mistakes, so we can't win unless Miwa scores
It was a mistake to pair these two

0149名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:49:26.10ID:FMi5QEzb
頼む～￣木原助けてくれえ
Please, Kihara, help us

0217名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:52:04.79ID:tPj3i/Dn
神様は早田にバックハンドも戻してあげたのか
Did Kami-sama give back Hayata's BH?

0231名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:52:38.34ID:nAMqLi7n
あと2点が…
Just 2 points away...

0234名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:52:47.07ID:zi6GC7t6
2点遠すぎる
2 points are too far away

0236名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:52:50.89ID:F1poYJFT
中国はここから逆転あるからね
China will have a chance to turn things around from here

0238名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:52:53.38ID:hYZLACYa
中国は劣勢になると
入れるだけになるから
無理して打つな
If China is at a disadvantage, they will just put the ball in, so don't force it

0253名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:53:37.68ID:hYZLACYa
早田、無理するな
Don't push it, Hayata

0261名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:53:54.07ID:fGtzijmk
あれ？
早田痛み止め切れてきたか？
Ha?
Has Hayata run out of painkillers?

0265名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:11.76ID:UoqBbIyB
くそー
Damn it

0269名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:18.30ID:W7r5oapV
5-9から4連続…
4 in a row from 5-9...

0272名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:23.67ID:hYZLACYa
ロングサーブ読まれてた
The long serve was read

0273名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:23.76ID:mRlzJimN
これはサーブ読まれた
That serve got read

0276名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:27.56ID:F1poYJFT
やっぱり中国
China after all

0277名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:29.61ID:LJJC11BO
中国、うまいねー
China, so good

278名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:30.30ID:vZ9nesN7
本当追い詰められてから強い　中国
China really becomes strong when cornered

0279名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:30.90ID:zj4OWVVj
これが中国よなー
This is China

0284名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:54.94ID:Z8woxXAe
落とせば銀確定
If dropped, silver guaranteed

0285名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:54:56.38ID:dxUTf4SC
やっぱり百戦錬磨
Battle-hardened, after all

0289名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:55:05.41ID:4yUTh4ax
中国の終盤の強さヤバヤバ
China's endgame is insanely strong

0292名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:55:17.03ID:vZ9nesN7
弱気になった　美和
Miwa has become disheartened

0297名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:55:23.58ID:W7r5oapV
5連続
5 in a row

0299名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:55:26.97ID:UbFd3JHa
やっぱ中国は勝ち方知ってるわ…
China really knows the way of winning...

0301名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:55:32.57ID:VWgCnpCv
また5連続失点かよ
どうしてこうなるのか
Dropping 5 consecutive points again
How did this happen?

0312名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:55:54.40ID:tPj3i/Dn
デュースに強い早田
Hayata is strong in deuce

0342名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:57:23.76ID:dxUTf4SC
最後で早田が
In the end, it's Hayata

0351名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:57:31.48ID:Xvo4c40i
ゴミバックハンドwwwww
お前らは早田のバックハンドミス、数えたか？

おいら？18失点してたぞwwwww
Trash BH LOL
Did you guys count Hayata's BH misses?
Me? 18 points dropped LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

0363名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:57:48.05ID:hYZLACYa
早田の読みが
完全に中国に読まれてて
その辺イマイチだった
Hayata's reading
was completely read by China
That was not so good

0365名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:57:48.61ID:vZ9nesN7
早田一人でミスしすぎだろ　やっぱベストではないか
Hayata missed too much by herself. That isn't the best after all?

0370名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:57:57.08ID:HTCcPDgQ
早田オーバーしてばっかやん
Hayata always went over the limit

0371名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:00.35ID:OC91lOfO
はい終わり
早田のオーバー何回もみたわ
Finally ended
I've seen Hayata's overhit countless times

0376名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:10.83ID:63JagK/o
張本は良かったよ
木原だったらどうだったかな
Harimoto was good
I wonder how it would have been with Kihara

0378名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:17.41ID:FMi5QEzb
早田はどんだけミスんねん！！！

初めから木原に代わっとけ！！！
How many did Hayata miss!!!
Just replaced her with Kihara from the beginning!!!

0379名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:18.83ID:NxKGSMz5
もうちょいだったのに
ここぞという時に早田のミスが痛い
When just a little more
Hayata's misses at the crucial moment were painful

0382名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:29.09ID:r0RimC+1
平野ここ1.2年で一番調子いいぞ
Hirano is in her best shape of the last 1-2 years

0386名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:39.48ID:dXsA8ySH
早田が王の球にオーバーミス多すぎ
Hayata overhit a lot on Wang's balls

0387名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:39.46ID:l5RRrIbN
早田が足引っ張ったな
崩れた体勢で強打してミスばっかり
Hayata held the pair back
She hit hard from a poor position and missed a lot

0393名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:46.97ID:dxUTf4SC
早田は中国に完全に読まれてるな
Hayata was completely read by China

0395名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:58:52.01ID:1B1kvBrm
ひなちゃんがミス多すぎる
Hina-chan missed too much

0404名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:59:20.04ID:/6UdXc3i
早田…
Hayata...

0415名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:59:42.63ID:BjXnV6GV
張本は100点やろ
20点失点があったとしても出来が120点だから
Harimoto deserves 100 pionts
Even if she dropped 20 points, the performance would still be 120 potnts

0416名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 22:59:45.59ID:Xvo4c40i
戦犯早田
だからいったろ？早田のバックハンドミスだらけのせいで戦犯

こいつのバックハンドオーバーするからフォアに変えても、球が浮く
浮いたせいで張本に強打打たれて、張本がミスしたようにみられる

全ては怪我持ちなくせに、木原差し置いて銀メダル強欲に奪取したせい
War criminal Hayata
I told you so, right? Hayata is the war criminal with so many BH misses

Even if she changed to FH because her BH overhit, the ball still floated
Because it floated, Harimoto hit it hard, and it looked like Harimoto made a mistake

It's all because she greedily took the silver medal and left Kihara out, even though she's not injured

0422名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:00:03.60ID1wMudxS
ミスでは無い。中国の技術が凄い。選手はよくやった。
No misses. China's technique is amazing. The players did well.

0434名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:00:32.74ID:5KOme9kh
これが大祈祷師の祈りの力であるが、これは、俺の力ではない


大御本尊さまの感応の致すところである


美和とハヤタと、どっちがあかんかったか？っ
This is the power of the prayer of the great priest, but this is not my power

It is the power of the Great Gohonzon

Who was worse, Miwa or Hayata?

444名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:11.86ID:BjXnV6GV
平野は1ゲームくらい取ってくれよ
Hirano should take at least 1 game

0445名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:13.26ID:UoqBbIyB
平野が勝つしかない
Hirano has no choice to win

0447名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:16.93ID:r0RimC+1
平野調子いいぞ
Hirano is in good shape

0452名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:29.90ID:nAMqLi7n
平野は負けるでも攻めて負けて欲しい
Even if Hirano is losing, she wants to lose while attacking

0453名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:30.17ID:YmPLCkFt
>>434
完全に早田が引っ張ったね
張本でしか点が取れてなかった
Hayata was the one who led the pair
Only Harimoto was able to score

0454名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:33.56ID:9vVE3OIT
早田はそんなに悪くないよ。覚醒しては無かったけど。
Hayata wasn't that bad. She wasn't awakened though

0455名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/08/10(土) 23:01:41.60ID:r0RimC+1
平野期待して良い
Hirano is good to look forward to

 

[zeio]

We are always reminded that the JNT is not a team in the same sense that the CNT are a team. One of the primary justifications for wanting a Harimoto- Hayata pairing was the belief that Hirano gave them the best chance for two singles wins. Look how that turned out. Of course, we will get the excuse that Sun Yingsha would have collapsed with a JNT lead when she virtually never does. And almost always wins 3-0

People should be far more specific about what they want to see than keeping the ball on the table. It's not like Hayata and Harimoto were the favorites. I am never a fan of serving long but many of the criticisms are based on unhappiness with the results rather than specific tactics about how such points are generally handled under pressure based on the flow of the current and prior matches. They tried a surprise lineup which massively outperformed their expectations and now it bites them in the behind because they supposedly don't know how to keep the ball on the table.

Your argument is putting the cart before the horse. The success of this lineup rested on the doubles. The moment they lost the chance to lead, the immense pressure on SYS to hold the fort had already dispersed and China would steamroll you once off the hook. Hirano did everything within her power to suppress SYS and instilled that look of fear (7:1 and 11:13 in G1), which was way better than Harimoto (5:11 in G1) and Hayata (3:11 in G1) did at WTTC 2024. Hayata played like crap when Japan was up 2-1 in matches and later admitted that she didn't prepare for SYS. Counter that.

In case all the posts I've made have not been crystal clear, the first requirement to "keeping the ball on the table" is to stop yourself from the strong urge to finish the point, more often than not with difficult shots that end up going long. The terms that refer to the situation in Chinese are:
起板(opening up, and in this case you need to hold back as Harimoto explained in the quote below);
發死力 (forcing the shots with your muscles stiffening up);
加保險 (adding insurance, which is equivalent to really spinny loops with a relatively higher and shorter trajectory);
上枱 (getting on table) and so on.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/harimoto-in-terms-of-table-tennis-i-prefer-zjk-to-ml-ml-is-amazing-but-it-is-simply-the-result-of-working-and-playing-diligently.31530/post-455672

Also, the difference between him and Liang Jingkun is the stop. It was a stop-to-stop exchange, and I was definitely the one who ran away from the stop to the push first and got hit. On the other hand, when I played against Chuang Chih-Yuan, he couldn't hold back, so even though my level has improved, I still couldn't beat Liang Jingkun.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/paris-olympic-games-2024.34358/post-469799

Chan Kong Wah, former head coach of HKTTA, along with former HKG player Tang Kwok Kei, kept stressing how WCT didn't need to go for shot quality in the counterloops, but instead should go for heavy spin to keep the ball on the table. He did just that. A painful lesson for Hayata.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/paris-olympic-games-2024.34358/post-469881

Former head coach Chan Kong Wah said WCT wanted to finish the point at the beginning (which he warned against), only to tense up and miss multiple points.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/paris-olympic-games-2024.34358/post-469899

During the TO at 76 of G5, Xiao Zhan told SYS that she couldn't make the high-quality loops on those shots. In other words, just keep the ball on the table.

 

[driversbeat]

What's worse is that China will probably ramp up WD training moving forward. Look at what they did for XD after losing Gold. For some reason China invested less in WD this cycle, both India and especially Korea saw the opportunity and capitalised on it, but Japan kept going with the idea that ace-Hayata would only play singles until the very end despite her history of getting injured. They failed to use Ito-Hayata doubles for Tokyo 2021 at their peak and now this. More than throwing away a potential gold, they've robbed the table tennis world of good table tennis.

 

[Shine]

I always thought their WD always had a limited ceiling (which seems crazy to say because they mopped up almost everything that was there to win), but they never really depended on set plays and outplaying the opponents with dynamic shots and quality loops like XX and WCQ bring in doubles, they usually just kept the ball on the table, tried to induce mistakes while the lefty/righty on the other side of the table ran them around to find open space.

If QTY or KM is integrated into the doubles pair, now they have their own lefty that can play big shots, and it becomes a game of who can play big shots better and more consistently, not who's lucky in making less mistakes.

 

[zeio]

With TV Tokyo's transcript, it's now confirmed Hayata admitted (in a convoluted way) that her dumbness cost Harimoto the doubles match in the final.

早田ひな パリ五輪を終えて行きたい場所「鹿児島の特攻資料館に行って、卓球をできていることは当たり前じゃないと感じたい」
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2024/08/035170.html

Q.準決勝や決勝、プレッシャーがかかる場面での相手との差、今後の対策について。

私は決勝戦で2-2の9-5から9-10までいって、追いついたんですけど最後2本自分がミスして負けてしまって。

サーブの選択だったりとか、相手が追い込まれた時の技術力の高さだったり、駆け引きと技術力というところで一番の差が出てしまったと思います。

真っ向勝負をするのか、違うところで勝負をするのか。駆け引きの能力というのが足りなかったと思います。

あそこで勝ち切るというのが中国人選手の強いところかなとは思うので、でもそれは練習で身につけられるものではなく、試合のああいった局面でしか出来ない、試すこともできないので。

ああいった部分を自分が取りこぼさないように、そこで負けた部分というのはしっかり自分と向き合って、反省して次に生かせるように頑張っていきたいと思っています。

Q. What was the difference between you and your opponent in pressure situations in the semifinal and final, and what are your strategies for the future?

In the final, we went from 2-2, 9:5 to 9:10, but I made 2 errors at the end and lost.

I think the biggest difference was in the choice of serve, the high level of technique when my opponent was cornered, and tactics and technique.

Should I fight head-on or should I fight in a different area? I think I lacked the ability to play tactically.

I think that winning in those situations is what makes Chinese players strong, but it's not something you can learn through practice, it's something you can only do in those situations in a match, and you can't even try it.

I want to make sure I don't miss out on those opportunities, so I'll face myself and reflect on the parts where I lost, and do my best to use them next time.

 

[NextLevel]

With TV Tokyo's transcript, it's now confirmed Hayata admitted (in a convoluted way) that her dumbness cost Harimoto the doubles match in the final.

早田ひな パリ五輪を終えて行きたい場所「鹿児島の特攻資料館に行って、卓球をできていることは当たり前じゃないと感じたい」
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2024/08/035170.html

Q. What was the difference between you and your opponent in pressure situations in the semifinal and final, and what are your strategies for the future?

In the final, we went from 2-2, 9:5 to 9:10, but I made 2 errors at the end and lost.

I think the biggest difference was in the choice of serve, the high level of technique when my opponent was cornered, and tactics and technique.

Should I fight head-on or should I fight in a different area? I think I lacked the ability to play tactically.

I think that winning in those situations is what makes Chinese players strong, but it's not something you can learn through practice, it's something you can only do in those situations in a match, and you can't even try it.

I want to make sure I don't miss out on those opportunities, so I'll face myself and reflect on the parts where I lost, and do my best to use them next time.

I read the answer and get a different impression from you (she is basically saying she was worse than her opponent in almost every way under pressure). Thanks for posting.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

With TV Tokyo's transcript, it's now confirmed Hayata admitted (in a convoluted way) that her dumbness cost Harimoto the doubles match in the final.

早田ひな パリ五輪を終えて行きたい場所「鹿児島の特攻資料館に行って、卓球をできていることは当たり前じゃないと感じたい」
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2024/08/035170.html

Q. What was the difference between you and your opponent in pressure situations in the semifinal and final, and what are your strategies for the future?

In the final, we went from 2-2, 9:5 to 9:10, but I made 2 errors at the end and lost.

I think the biggest difference was in the choice of serve, the high level of technique when my opponent was cornered, and tactics and technique.

Should I fight head-on or should I fight in a different area? I think I lacked the ability to play tactically.

I think that winning in those situations is what makes Chinese players strong, but it's not something you can learn through practice, it's something you can only do in those situations in a match, and you can't even try it.

I want to make sure I don't miss out on those opportunities, so I'll face myself and reflect on the parts where I lost, and do my best to use them next time.

This is not something unusual. When you lose, you reflect on what mistakes were made. All the Japanese players have something they reflect upon: Miwa vs. Kaufmann, Hirano vs. SYB, Tomo vs. Kallberg, etc. But learning from your mistakes is a valuable skill... right zeio?

 

[apacible]

The top-ranked JNT player 14 days before final entries for ATTC 2024...

Based on the Prospectus of the Asian Table Tennis Championships 2024, final entry deadline is August 30, 2024. 14 days before that date is today, 16 August 2024.

That means Ito and M. Yoshimura are in by WR.

Projected JNT Singles Lineup in ATTC 2024
Mens:
1. T. Harimoto (2024 Olympic Representative)
2. S. Togami (2024 Olympic Representative)
3. H. Shinozuka (2024 Olympic Representative)
4. Kenji Matsudaira (Trials Winner)
5. M. Yoshimura (Highest WR as of Aug 16, 2024)

Womens:
1. H. Hayata (2024 Olympic Representative)
2. M. Hirano (2024 Olympic Representative)
3. M. Harimoto (2024 Olympic Representative)
4. S. Odo (Trials Winner)
5. M. Ito (Highest WR as of Aug 16, 2024)

This is a year early for WTTC 2025. But Sora clearly messed up this one. It might have dire consequences if he cannot qualify by ranking. But he is in prime position to do so do it might not matter in the end.

Unfortunately for Sora Matsushima, his WR points from his runner-up finish in WTT Contender Rio 2023 expired this week, dropping his ranking below M. Yoshimura's. Sora's loss to Kenji in the trials seems much more painful now. Given that the ATTC 2024 is a qualification tournament for the WTTC 2025, if all 5 men secure singles slots in ATTC 2024, Sora will miss WTTC 2025 in singles.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Based on the Prospectus of the Asian Table Tennis Championships 2024, final entry deadline is August 30, 2024. 14 days before that date is today, 16 August 2024.

That means Ito and M. Yoshimura are in by WR.

Projected JNT Singles Lineup in ATTC 2024
Mens:
1. T. Harimoto (2024 Olympic Representative)
2. S. Togami (2024 Olympic Representative)
3. H. Shinozuka (2024 Olympic Representative)
4. Kenji Matsudaira (Trials Winner)
5. M. Yoshimura (Highest WR as of Aug 16, 2024)

Womens:
1. H. Hayata (2024 Olympic Representative)
2. M. Hirano (2024 Olympic Representative)
3. M. Harimoto (2024 Olympic Representative)
4. S. Odo (Trials Winner)
5. M. Ito (Highest WR as of Aug 16, 2024)



Unfortunately for Sora Matsushima, his WR points from his runner-up finish in WTT Contender Rio 2023 expired this week, dropping his ranking below M. Yoshimura's. Sora's loss to Kenji in the trials seems much more painful now. Given that the ATTC 2024 is a qualification tournament for the WTTC 2025, if all 5 men secure singles slots in ATTC 2024, Sora will miss WTTC 2025 in singles.

A hard lesson for Sora. And also for JNT when Kenji loses in R1 to some underdog

 

[NextLevel]

A hard lesson for Sora. And also for JNT when Kenji loses in R1 to some underdog

Sora, retire already! (following Hayata's footsteps already...)

 

[NextLevel]

Based on the Prospectus of the Asian Table Tennis Championships 2024, final entry deadline is August 30, 2024. 14 days before that date is today, 16 August 2024.

That means Ito and M. Yoshimura are in by WR.

Projected JNT Singles Lineup in ATTC 2024
Mens:
1. T. Harimoto (2024 Olympic Representative)
2. S. Togami (2024 Olympic Representative)
3. H. Shinozuka (2024 Olympic Representative)
4. Kenji Matsudaira (Trials Winner)
5. M. Yoshimura (Highest WR as of Aug 16, 2024)

Womens:
1. H. Hayata (2024 Olympic Representative)
2. M. Hirano (2024 Olympic Representative)
3. M. Harimoto (2024 Olympic Representative)
4. S. Odo (Trials Winner)
5. M. Ito (Highest WR as of Aug 16, 2024)



Unfortunately for Sora Matsushima, his WR points from his runner-up finish in WTT Contender Rio 2023 expired this week, dropping his ranking below M. Yoshimura's. Sora's loss to Kenji in the trials seems much more painful now. Given that the ATTC 2024 is a qualification tournament for the WTTC 2025, if all 5 men secure singles slots in ATTC 2024, Sora will miss WTTC 2025 in singles.

Isn't there an event in Lima?