Nasty rubber setup, another great ERT video

[jammmail]

This thread is a joke.

The difference in equipment and styles is what makes the sport great and unique.

Look at some of the players at the top who are popular. It is because they are unique. The Lebruns, Truls with his unusual shots, Aruna FH, Hugos huge high toss serve, Mima BH punch etc - the list is endless.

It also, with all the variations, allows people of different ages and physical attributes be competitive - with strategy and skill. Playing with LP takes a huge amount of skills to do it well.

Its so disrespectful this thread.

 

[zeio]

I guess the OP has the answer now. She cheats on her then-husband, she kidnaps her own son, and worst of all, she plays nasty rubber.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I guess the OP has the answer now. She cheats on her then-husband, she kidnaps her own son, and worst of all, she plays nasty rubber.

i could easily forgive the first 2, but surely not the last...

 

[TensorBackhand]

Bold text Whaeh-Whaeh Wheah, whaeh whaeh wah.

Figure out how to play TT already and quit making excuses for urself. YOU are accountable for how you play, not sum USATT official controlling equipment rules. Slippery pips already got banned and they were the easiest to play 1800-2000 level if you could get ur bat to the ball with a soft grp and control the bat angle... enough of a skill, but WAY easier than modern friction pips.

Here is sumthing for ya...

Tensor BH, I will be in LA Orange County in Oct 2023 in OCTTA for a seniors tourney, I challenge you to show ur face and Damn Der_Echte is the prototypical 2x inverted attacking player whose rating dropped to 1700... and I never play LP in a comp... but DAMMIT i SERIOUSLY BET YOU that I whup you trash talking azz playing with an ALL bat with Aurus and .6MM LP playing a chopping, pushing, and attack game.

Show up if you are not yellow.

Or you can show up, have a friendly hit and a dinner afterwards and we say nothing further but good stuff. I do not care how you want it. it is up to you.

Well I'm not in orange county anytime soon.

But last time I played your Korean short pips friend, I won 3-1 and yes it was stressful.

 

[zeio]

My guess is that you will see Idesawa with a few occasional successes against top players, but then her competitiveness will fall off a cliff as the months and years go by. Once coaches get their players prepared for her unusual setup, her real ability or lack of ability will show. She's getting a 20% boost in effectiveness because of her nasty setup, but once they figure it out, she will just be an average pro player, not elite pro player.

The limitations of her style, rather.

Notice the limited types of shots.
Ryukyu Asteeda pre-match practice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc4R4YkG9Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaQfazwMXac
ATTC 2021 Trial practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEiJIn5wf0U
2020 Japan All-Star Dream Match practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i141J2HjFpA
WTTC 2020 Final Trial practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13sjU8GdaAw

Kihara has played her quite a few times. See how she handles her.
Nojima Cup 2022, Kihara 4-2 Idesawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Q9CG3Q5G8
WTTC 2021 Trial, Kihara 4-0 Idesawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBay9fLLFc
WTTC 2020 1st Trial, Kihara 2-1 -> 2-3 Idesawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vlMftRFZk
Zennihon 2020, Kihara 4-0 Idesawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfhQglbk3g

Maybe top 100 or 200, but outside of the Top 15. If she remains in the top 15 over a reasonably long period, I would be very surprised and I would consider my assessment of her wrong.

If she remains in the top 30, she would've surpassed my expectations, but still doesn't change my basic opinion that she is a bit of a equipment fluke to trouble the top 6 elite players.

That's harsher than Cai Zhenhua. Given that the Olympic team event consists of the top 16, 16x3=48. Prior to and including WTTC 2018, the 1st Division/Championship Division consisted of the top 24, 24x5=120. From the WTTC 2022 Finals and onward, the number of teams has gone up to 40, 40x5=200. Therefore, the top 200 should be considered as world class/世界級, of which the top 50 as first rate/一流, and the top 10 as super first rate/超一流.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/2019s-winner.19974/post-255949

Cai Zhenhua has said before any European players who could make the top 50 are prodigies.

 

[Der_Echte]

Funny. Yup.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Why did ERT take his video down? Did he read this thread and decide to take it down?

 

[NextLevel]

Why did ERT take his video down? Did he read this thread and decide to take it down?

You mean he stole footage wholesale from another event without adding value and you are surprised that he likely got hit with a copyright strike? Seriously?

 

[TensorBackhand]

I practiced an hour today against LP. I tried developing my own rules for playing LP.

For example, never loop a ball off LP that you already looped. The spin will be extremely heavy and hard to loop.

Treat a topspin ball to LP like a regular push. You can push ot loop.

 

[NextLevel]

I practiced an hour today against LP. I tried developing my own rules for playing LP.

For example, never loop a ball off LP that you already looped. The spin will be extremely heavy and hard to loop.

Treat a topspin ball to LP like a regular push. You can push ot loop.

Sometimes the easy route to beating LP is to be able to loop twice. While they can turn heavy spin to heavy backspin, they often block it long too. It is a balancing act for sure.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

I practiced an hour today against LP. I tried developing my own rules for playing LP.

For example, never loop a ball off LP that you already looped. The spin will be extremely heavy and hard to loop.

Treat a topspin ball to LP like a regular push. You can push ot loop.

The old veteran I regular play with has just the same set up at that Japanese girl, i.e., LP & SP on a C-Pen and he twiddles.

In theory it is one loop one push. Problem is, in real life he is just waiting for you to push and he will use the SP to slice the ball to both wings depending on your position. It is a nightmare to play him.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

Sometimes the easy route to beating LP is to be able to loop twice. While they can turn heavy spin to heavy backspin, they often block it long too. It is a balancing act for sure.

Yeah, I found that this is a better way than what is told to me by YT videos i.e., one loop one push. Those videos are mainly tutorials for stroking / practice purpose. In real life, those one loop one push does not work. At least for me...

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah, I found that this is a better way than what is told to me by YT videos i.e., one loop one push. Those videos are mainly tutorials for stroking / practice purpose. In real life, those one loop one push does not work. At least for me...

The more spin you generate, the more practice against long pips you require to loop twice. But there are a few variables, probably the biggest one is how short the pips blocker can keep the ball and how well you can push, because looping twice or more, if they keep the ball short, the push is impossibly hard. Ultimately whatever wins.

 

[blahness]

Yeah, I found that this is a better way than what is told to me by YT videos i.e., one loop one push. Those videos are mainly tutorials for stroking / practice purpose. In real life, those one loop one push does not work. At least for me...

The one loop one push method works for me very well with good results. The key is you need to have very high quality shots for both the loop and the push - any weak ass shots and you'll get punished by competent LP players. So for the loop it needs to be really spinny, not slow, deep with good angles. More importantly and that's where a lot of ppl go wrong is the push. If you do a slow push where you take the ball late and the outgoing ball is slow af, you'll absolutely be destroyed by the next LP bump/swipe - they can do a lot of nasty crap off a slow underspin push. So when you push, you have to take it early, and place it to really nasty angles and placement, and it needs to be deep and fast - can't afford to give them time at all. If you do that push well enough they'll do a passive bump instead of an aggressive stroke, which allows you plenty of time to loop with high quality again - rinse and repeat. You should have the advantage because the balls are coming to him faster than it is coming towards you so you should be making him run, not the other way round.

To execute this, you have to recover after the loop fast and also lunge in fast in order to take the push early. This requires a certain degree of athleticism. The hard part is against LP players who can attack your push hard with say an inverted rubber side, then it becomes a dance of attack and defence because you'll have to defend the incoming loop well and then you will get to attack again.

The problem with continuous looping is that the underspin just gets worse and worse, and if you lighten on the spin generation to avoid this vicious cycle, you will have less consistency as the topspin is crucial to ensure good landing rates for the topspin due to the Magnus effect.

 

[superbackhand]

wow this ridiculous thread is still going on?
ERT videos are great? pips needs to be banned?
w o w

 

[hclnnkhg]

wow this ridiculous thread is still going on?
ERT videos are great? pips needs to be banned?
w o w

it was dead for 4 days until you dig it up again

 

[superbackhand]

it was dead for 4 days until you dig it up again

it will rise again once there’s a new video of ERT. We’ll be updated by his fanboy