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Q: What rubbers are suitable for my Viscaria? (FH/BH)
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Last piece of info, I have heard really great things about that Rhyzm-P. And a few of the new rubbers for the Poly Ball really have a topsheet that somehow grabs the Poly Ball way better than the old rubbers like Tenergy.
I am using Victas V>01 Limber for my BH. The sponge is not as good as Tenergy but the topsheet is SOOOOO much better that it is worth it to me to use it. The way it grabs the plastic ball is almost magnetic. Much more spin and, somehow, more control too.
I believe Joola figured out something similar with the Rhyzm-P even though I have only heard about it. I have not played with it. But I have a few friends who just started using it so I should get a chance to test it fairly soon.
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I am using Victas V>01 Limber for my BH. The sponge is not as good as Tenergy but the topsheet is SOOOOO much better that it is worth it to me to use it. The way it grabs the plastic ball is almost magnetic. Much more spin and, somehow, more control too.
I believe Joola figured out something similar with the Rhyzm-P even though I have only heard about it. I have not played with it. But I have a few friends who just started using it so I should get a chance to test it fairly soon.
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Tenergy 05 fh and tenergy 05fx. What I use on my viscaria, tried rasant and other rubbers nothing feels quite the same on that blade
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Hi xVill! I'm planning to get DHS Hurricane 3 (Provi) on my forehand and T64 on my backhand, Same setup with Zhang Jike. Any thoughts?
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ZJK has changed to T05FX since early last year.
It may sound meaningless but it really depends on your style. T05 and 64 are very different.
P.S. Some people already found spinning poly balls with tenergies pretty difficult. To be honest I don't think Tenergy would be best choice nowadays regardless of baldes.
It may sound meaningless but it really depends on your style. T05 and 64 are very different.
P.S. Some people already found spinning poly balls with tenergies pretty difficult. To be honest I don't think Tenergy would be best choice nowadays regardless of baldes.
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I am not sure. I have heard conflicting reports. I think he changed to 05 FX for a few tournaments before the 2013 WTTC. But I think that after that he may have switched back to T64.
As far as rubbers for the Poly ball, I think you are correct. The topsheet on Tenergy is now outdated. Companies are figuring out rubber compositions that grab the Poly ball much better than any of the old rubbers did. I will be interested to see when Butterfly updates their topsheet.
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Carl KNOWS that Der_Echte simply LOVES all these discussions about what is great and what is NOT and I often use equipment people avoid (inexpensive ALL+ blade I modify into OFF or OFF-) and a $8 rubber no one uses (XP 2008) (Maybe when our shipment gets through customs in NYC I can tryout Nexy Demian II+.
Haha, we see it in the forums ALL the time, the eternal and sacred discussion over the question of "What is right for my BH? It is a more perplexing question than "What should I eat?" or better "Exactly WHERE did this crap in my "Food" supply come from?"
This kinda thread cracks me up LULZ the moar it goes on, then somehow Carl and I Hijack it out of pure joy of malice and mayhem.
Everyone should soon enough discover for themselves what wrks for them within their suitable range of what is appropriate. Problem is, many players do not understand exactly how wide that range is or think in a range way too narrow.
Truth is, there are HUNDREDS of combinations that will work for an offensive player on BH and I throw the Der_Echte BH into the mix as I have one really mean variety of BH shots and I do it with equipment that at first look, many would NOT consider using. HOW can someone be a BOSS on BH with a $8 rubber and not be ANYWHERE NEAR being a top amature player???!!!
Carl will tell you I got a great BH that is many levels above my level with such an inexpensive rubber or whatever he hands me from his TT bag to tryout... and he will tell you that a top amature player in NYC would defeat me 11-5 each game as well. Why can such a cheepo non-descript rubber work on BH wing ???!!!
Why do players stress so much over what to use on BH ???!!!
Why does the food industry add so many anti-biotics to our meat animals and poison to our crops so that by the time they process it a million ways and sel it to us it is gunna fatten us up and poison us worse that it does the confined cattle they feed???!!!
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Okay guys, get ready to use that hijack button. The table tennis forum thread hijackers are at it again.
Der_Echte has a good point. When you are in position and your technique is good it does not matter what rubber you are using. And in spite of his modesty, Der_Echte is better than your average Joe on the table tennis court. And his backhand is worth avoiding. So if you want to be like Sir William of Der_Echte fame, then go out and get yourself some Dawei 2008 XP Power Sponge for $8.00.
He can hit the ball by most players under 2100 (USATT rating) with that rubber and a $16.00 All+ rated Yinhe Galaxy 896 blade.
That being said, with good technique you can use anything.
I was hitting one time with a friend who is 2600+ rated. He was showing me some stuff. This guy who had a sandpaper racket came up, recognized my friend and asked if he could hit with him. Mr 2600 said sure.
The guy was good with sandpaper. After 2 min. Mr 2600 said to Mr Sandpaper: "do you have another one of those?" So Mr 2600 played Mr Sandpaper with a sandpaper racket. He started a game with Mr Sandpaper without any warmup and within 3 or 4 points, he was ripping the ball with decently heavy spin (more spin than Mr Sandpaper by far) with a sandpaper racket.
So if your brave, go for sandpaper (even though it is against the rules technically speaking). If your technique is good, you can hit a boss backhand with Sandpaper. Oh by the way, the sandpaper expert had no chance whatsoever against my friend who is 2600 even without him taking the time to get used to the sandpaper racket.
I on the other hand would have trouble getting the ball on the table with a sandpaper racket unless I played with it for a few weeks.
So it is okay to get a rubber they you like for your backhand.
But I have come to realize that with pretty much any setup, if you play with it for a month solid and do enough training with it, you will get used to it and be able to use it decently well. Even if the setup isn't quite right for you.
And you will play moderately better with a setup that is really well suited to your play style and skill level. But not so much that it would make a dramatic difference.
But it is fun to try new stuff.
Oh, and Der_Echte, the reason for the stuff in the food is that someone is trying to do in your backhand skill. It is a government plot and it is all about someone out there hoping that they put a stop to that backhand.
Oh, and some advice for you guys, short, long, half long: don't give Der_Echte underspin to his backhand unless you want to see the ball go by yah!
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Der_Echte has a good point. When you are in position and your technique is good it does not matter what rubber you are using. And in spite of his modesty, Der_Echte is better than your average Joe on the table tennis court. And his backhand is worth avoiding. So if you want to be like Sir William of Der_Echte fame, then go out and get yourself some Dawei 2008 XP Power Sponge for $8.00.
He can hit the ball by most players under 2100 (USATT rating) with that rubber and a $16.00 All+ rated Yinhe Galaxy 896 blade.
That being said, with good technique you can use anything.
I was hitting one time with a friend who is 2600+ rated. He was showing me some stuff. This guy who had a sandpaper racket came up, recognized my friend and asked if he could hit with him. Mr 2600 said sure.
The guy was good with sandpaper. After 2 min. Mr 2600 said to Mr Sandpaper: "do you have another one of those?" So Mr 2600 played Mr Sandpaper with a sandpaper racket. He started a game with Mr Sandpaper without any warmup and within 3 or 4 points, he was ripping the ball with decently heavy spin (more spin than Mr Sandpaper by far) with a sandpaper racket.
So if your brave, go for sandpaper (even though it is against the rules technically speaking). If your technique is good, you can hit a boss backhand with Sandpaper. Oh by the way, the sandpaper expert had no chance whatsoever against my friend who is 2600 even without him taking the time to get used to the sandpaper racket.
I on the other hand would have trouble getting the ball on the table with a sandpaper racket unless I played with it for a few weeks.
So it is okay to get a rubber they you like for your backhand.
But I have come to realize that with pretty much any setup, if you play with it for a month solid and do enough training with it, you will get used to it and be able to use it decently well. Even if the setup isn't quite right for you.
And you will play moderately better with a setup that is really well suited to your play style and skill level. But not so much that it would make a dramatic difference.
But it is fun to try new stuff.
Oh, and Der_Echte, the reason for the stuff in the food is that someone is trying to do in your backhand skill. It is a government plot and it is all about someone out there hoping that they put a stop to that backhand.
Oh, and some advice for you guys, short, long, half long: don't give Der_Echte underspin to his backhand unless you want to see the ball go by yah!
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I at one stage had a boosted h3 Neo prov on the forehand, I would have stayed with it only I couldn't keep it clean so switched back to tenergy. My personal preferences is Tenergy over everything else. I have used so many different ESN rubbers and none feel quite the same as tenergy.
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The excellent Viscaria is similar to teh excellent TBS, and there are SO MANY rubbers that will work well for an offensive flexible attacking game, way too many to mention. You will simply wear yourself out trying to optimize a decision on less then 100 of them. By the time you get done analyzing them, moar new rubbers will come out and you will quickly want to joinn Carl and me to repeatedly jump off Brooklyn Bridge, because that will be the next cool thing to do in New York City.
My point with the BH is that I am VERY far from being a top amature player and can operate just about blade, slap on a used $8 rubber no one wants, and go to town on players with the thing. Point being is that even an $8 rubber will suit your BH well enough, why sweat it? That $8 rubber is super control and when you got a good stroke, you want control first in your equipment, since you already know how to make spin or pwoer. You just don;t want it to be anti rubber if you are a topspinning attacking player.
I know the level of that elite amature player Carl is talking about (even if I don't know him or played vs him. I know his level) That level of player is minimum 5 full levels better player than me. i will only hit balls that he will allow me, not much I will do vs his quality of shots but hope he has pity and lets me hit my strong shots. Point with that is there is always better players around. Carl is 1-2 levels below where I am, but he has a better BH counter tospin off the bounce I will one day be in a position to train and learn. He does it also with a variety of different blades/rubbers, but he has his preferences too.
My big point in everythng is to not worry too much about what your rubber is, worry more about your food supply and exactly what is in it or left on it as residue.
My point with the BH is that I am VERY far from being a top amature player and can operate just about blade, slap on a used $8 rubber no one wants, and go to town on players with the thing. Point being is that even an $8 rubber will suit your BH well enough, why sweat it? That $8 rubber is super control and when you got a good stroke, you want control first in your equipment, since you already know how to make spin or pwoer. You just don;t want it to be anti rubber if you are a topspinning attacking player.
I know the level of that elite amature player Carl is talking about (even if I don't know him or played vs him. I know his level) That level of player is minimum 5 full levels better player than me. i will only hit balls that he will allow me, not much I will do vs his quality of shots but hope he has pity and lets me hit my strong shots. Point with that is there is always better players around. Carl is 1-2 levels below where I am, but he has a better BH counter tospin off the bounce I will one day be in a position to train and learn. He does it also with a variety of different blades/rubbers, but he has his preferences too.
My big point in everythng is to not worry too much about what your rubber is, worry more about your food supply and exactly what is in it or left on it as residue.
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I use T05 both sides, but my Viscaria is a black tag one that is a bit slower than the ones you find now.
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... and the mightly Baal is overall a full 1.5-2 levels better player than Der_Echte and can also remeber that Boy George was still near height of his popularity when I signed my first Army contract back in 1984...
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Woah, Thanks for the thorough explanation from everyone! I'm having a hard time figuring out which one to get, I think I'm going to borrow a Tenergy 05 and 64 from my friends and see if what version suits my play style. Btw, Thanks for everyone! If you still have a lot of knowledge to share about Tenergy series please share it. God bless you all!
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Technique over equipment. The equipment is not as important as the technique so focus on developing your technique. And in my status and my signature one of the big things that technique is about is stated. More SPiN, More SPiN; Spin is everything. Well, spin is not really everything, but the technique that gets you more and more spin is a big part of improving and getting to a higher level of play. And since I have seen a couple of guys actually loop with a sandpaper racket, I know it is not dependent on the equipment.
BTW, the guy I was talking about who, with no warm up or getting used to the racket, switched from a TBS with Tenergy to Sandpaper and beat a sandpaper expert handily, the sandpaper guy called him the Cornflake Kid, because at one point his photo was on the front of the Wheaties box. Lets see if that gives you a hint of who it was.
But the other player I saw actually loop with sandpaper is Tahl Leibovitz. He is pretty amazing with sandpaper when he practices with it. But he is a few notches lower than the Cornflake Kid.
BTW, the guy I was talking about who, with no warm up or getting used to the racket, switched from a TBS with Tenergy to Sandpaper and beat a sandpaper expert handily, the sandpaper guy called him the Cornflake Kid, because at one point his photo was on the front of the Wheaties box. Lets see if that gives you a hint of who it was.
But the other player I saw actually loop with sandpaper is Tahl Leibovitz. He is pretty amazing with sandpaper when he practices with it. But he is a few notches lower than the Cornflake Kid.
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I would contend that any rubber works well with the Viscaria. I consider it the perfect blade; controllable, powerful, and friendly. I've had good experiences with Hurricane and Bluefire though, so consider those!
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Technique over equipment. The equipment is not as important as the technique so focus on developing your technique. And in my status and my signature one of the big things that technique is about is stated. More SPiN, More SPiN; Spin is everything. Well, spin is not really everything, but the technique that gets you more and more spin is a big part of improving and getting to a higher level of play. And since I have seen a couple of guys actually loop with a sandpaper racket, I know it is not dependent on the equipment.
BTW, the guy I was talking about who, with no warm up or getting used to the racket, switched from a TBS with Tenergy to Sandpaper and beat a sandpaper expert handily, the sandpaper guy called him the Cornflake Kid, because at one point his photo was on the front of the Wheaties box. Lets see if that gives you a hint of who it was.
But the other player I saw actually loop with sandpaper is Tahl Leibovitz. He is pretty amazing with sandpaper when he practices with it. But he is a few notches lower than the Cornflake Kid.
Thank you so much for the advice sir! I will surely improve my technique to match my racket.
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